When we scheduled an interview with historian & populism expert Thomas Frank, we didn’t expect to be recording with a right wing faux-populist coup in the background. Turns out, he was an ideal guest. Frank helped us to understand our current political moment by examining history of populism in this country from the 1890s through the Bernie revolution. Over the course of two action packed  hours, the author of What’s The Matter With Kansas, Listen Liberal, and The People, No explains how we got here and how we’re most likely to get out of this mess. Virgil and Brie react in real time to the ongoing protests, Brie’s groceries spoil, and Paul Robeson sings.

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