Ashley Dawson returns to discuss his new piece at the New York Review of Books, “The Costs of the Cloud: How much power does AI consume?” “The Moment of Truth” with Jeff Dorchen follows the interview. Check out Ashley’s article here: https://www.nybooks.com/online/2025/09/27/the-costs-of-the-cloud/ Help keep This Is Hell! completely listener supported and access bonus episodes by subscribing to our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thisishell Please rate and review This Is Hell! wherever you get your podcasts. It really helps the show ascend the algorithm to reach new listeners.

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