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To imagine and create more just and beautiful communities, Black city-builders know they must also build community power. How are they increasing access to knowledge while holding power brokers accountable? In this episode of Urban Consulate Confidential, host Orlando P. Bailey sits down with Kevin Ryan of Ford Foundation (Detroit) and Michael A. Coffey of Greater Cincinnati Foundation (Cincinnati) for a candid cross-city conversation rooted in radical truth, joy and love.

“It takes a lot of courage to create disruption in systems that don’t work for people,” says Ryan. “And it seems to me our community residents do that every day.”

“Some of us are quick to propose solutions,” says Coffey. “We haven’t done our listening to those who have been doing this a long time.”

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Urban Consulate brings people together to share ideas for better cities. Urban Consulate Confidential is presented with Next City and made possible by the Ford Foundation. Directed by Charles Ashley. Co-Produced by Orlando P. Bailey and Claire Nelson. Music by Kick Lee. Photography by Valaurian Waller and JP Leong. Recorded at The Cochrane House in Detroit.

This post was originally published on Next City.