Category: interfaith dialogue

  • This blog is part of a five-part series looking at interfaith and intercultural relationships and the factors behind their success and longevity (or lack of). The series is based on my personal experience as a Muslim woman in her 20s and 30s.

    In part 1, I look at marriage and love across cultures and borders, examining the role of shared values and knowing oneself.

    In this blog, I share my experience of faith and religious divides in an intercultural/interfaith relationship.

    In part 3, I share the impact of trauma on stereotyping others in the context of mixed relationships.

    In part 4, I look at emotional factors (in particular attachment styles) and their relation to culture, as opposed to cultural or religious difference as a standalone.

    In part 5, I conclude by sharing insight into the factors and dynamics involved in mixed relationships in maintaining a healthy long-lasting interfaith/intercultural relationship.


    Persian architecture (Iran). Image: Jose Figueroa

    “Real diversity and inclusion doesn’t mean that we will always agree. It means that even when we disagree, we can still respect each other.”

    (Justin Jones-Fosu)

    I met “Farhad” on my first in-person date following my divorce. Looking back, we were a bit like young love-stuck teenagers.

    We fell in love quickly and intensely. We pretty much clicked on our first date and things sped along from there.

    Farhad was significant at this stage of my life as he understood my background more than the average non-Muslim man living in Britain. Being an “outsider”, he also posed less “risk” (according to my trauma-based reality at the time).

    How? Who was he? And what was his background? 

    Well, Farhad was Persian and Baháʼí (his family had converted previously from Shia Islam). He’d grown up in Iran and sought asylum in the UK in his early 20s.

    Growing up in Iran (and a very conservative area of the country too), he was obviously familiar with Islam to a certain extent as a whole (my choice of wording will become clear later in terms of religious diversity within the Muslim world).

    In Farhad’s case, he’d grown up in an Islamist theocracy (a particularly famously brutal one) as a persecuted religious minority.

    There was clearly trauma and frustration there. He was happily Persian but didn’t associate much with other Persians. He did however attend services with other members of his community, who were a mix of Persians, English converts and other nationalities.

    His faith was one I was slightly familiar with but more as a religion belonging to a minority group both in Iran and the UK.

    Prior to meeting Farhad, I knew about his faith to some extent. But this was more based on Baháʼí  as a community through my activism on human rights in Iran, rather than any great theological insight.

    As a religion, the Baháʼí faith originated in Iran. The founder Baháʼu’lláh was born in Iran and exiled to Iraq.As a religious leader, he preached religious unity, with the faith today standing for unity of faith and amongst people worldwide.

    I liked it – and still do! And the more I learnt, I personally came to see the Bahai faith as an historical extension of Islam, having been originally been forcibly separated as the Muslim world rejected and persecuted the now separate Baháʼí community .

    Today, the Baháʼí are generally  a religious community that is not well known. Exceptions include amongst religious/interfaith enthusiasts and practitioners alike and within the Jewish world – with the Baháʼí World Centre based in Haifa, Israel. 

    It was only my interfaith and Jewish friends that didn’t ask what Baháʼí was when enthusiastically asking for details of the new love in my life!

    As a community, the majority of Bahai are Persians from Iran – but not all by any means.

    There are communities all over the world with the faith now the second largest religion in Panama, Belize, Bolivia,  Zambia, Papa New Guinea, Chad and Kenya. Most converts however reside in India and the Western world.

    In Iran however, the community remain persecuted and severely restricted. I knew this quite well.

    Out in London protesting for women’s rights in Iran (2019).

    The Baháʼí community are banned from attending public university and pretty much have to rely on themselves to survive. The more I got to know Farhad, the more I learnt about this.

    More broadly, add to this the wider ramifications of living in modern Iran – a country with such beautiful rich culture yet an oppressive regime – Farhad likely had a very difficult upbringing.

    War, religious persecution, Islamism: they’re not easy at all to say the least (especially when I now see and understand the emotional impact of such trauma and how trauma-responses/lived experiences can develop into socio-cultural norms and/or practices).

    On my side, I at the time of meeting, I was not in the place where I felt I could date a man who was Muslim, Arab or Amazigh.

    I’d come out of a conservative marriage, had emotional trauma to deal with, and I hadn’t been on a date for many, many years (minus the recent post-divorce video call e-meet). 

    Prior to being married, I was a serial monogamist. Now I was a millennial in my 30s and the dating scene had changed – a lot!

    In terms of intercultural dating, I loved Persian culture and knew a lot about Iran.

    I loved the warmth, the family values, the food, the music, the language, the architecture and much more.

    I’d engaged in a lot of human rights activism and had a deep respect and fondness for the people and their nation – but not the regime.

    I understood Farhad’s struggles. I loved his culture. And I didn’t whitewash over anything –  I knew and felt the pain of Iranians across the board and the Baháʼí community as an example.

    So, in short, when Farhad and I met, we seemed to match. I think we both learnt at lot from each other on our first date. And, we also learnt that the spark was there.

    We understood each other and this grew over time. Obviously, Farhad had to learn over time who I was (I’m a bit of a mixed bag to say the least!), but he approached me in a way that was sensitive to my faith.

    He knew and appeared to respect the fact that I was a Muslim woman. And so, he pursued me accordingly, learning who I was as a British-Italian woman embracing progressivism in faith – and in the early stages of such journey.

    At the start, this mutual understanding and shared trauma translated to providing a safe space for me. He understood me. He “got it”.

    I wasn’t the average “British woman” (whatever that is!).

    I had a more conservative approach to dating on the one hand and baggage from the past, but on the other hand, I was also an open-minded Muslim and a European (British-Italian) woman who’d grown up in the “West” (and had dated before converting to Islam).

    Embracing my post-hijab days (left: as an Orthodox Muslim, 2012; after removing hijab, c. 2019)

    It was timely. Farhad gave me that space to be me. He understood my struggles. And we were on the same team – or so I thought.

    We fell in love. We committed to each other. We pushed through the Covid-19 pandemic together and the challenges involved. And we prayed together.

    It was beautiful. We opened his prayer book. It looked rather like a Muslim prayer book – with Farsi and Arabic combined.

    The letters, the words, the monotheism were familiar, warm and beautiful.

    Together we prayed and we shared our mutual spirituality as two people of different faiths, one love and belief in One God. It was a moment I shall never ever forget.

    That moment truly pictured who and where I was at the  time – as a Muslim, a woman and a human. And Farhad seemingly understood that. He didn’t just “tolerate” my faith, he always encouraged me. At least outrightly at the start.

    He never professed to love Islam, but he didn’t need to. And I didn’t want or need him to either.

    I respected and loved his faith for his sake (even without considering how similar both our spiritualities were in outlook). And I simply needed the same.

    As the months passed, we discussed how I’d approach Ramadan. We talked (quite easily and unitedly) about what raising children would look like – sharing and teaching a belief in a One God. Simple.

    And we both talked about how we were less conservative than the conservative communities we knew and belonged to.

    Yes, the Baháʼí faith is incredibly open and tolerant. But I also found it had its conservatisms too (this is only my singular experience however). It was so alike yet far from the “Islam” I’d met as  taught in the conservative diaspora (UK) and wider  Muslim world to some extend at least.

    For one, there was no gender segregation in his faith. There were no dress codes. There was no hijab.

    Post-hijab me loved it. I felt a commonality theologically, culturally, socially.

    Next: Farhad grew up being taught that sex outside of marriage was a sin and that drinking alcohol was a no-no. Again: something I’d shared in the Muslim world.

    We were both so similar. But in retrospect, similar in trauma, similar in pushing boundaries and similar in rejecting conservative norms.

    The difference is that I didn’t hide who I was. I believe in something, or I don’t. I think, I rationalise, and I come to my own moral conclusions. And I have no pressure from my non-Muslim family.

    Farhad on the other hand had a community to think about.

    His parents had certain expectations. And whilst he was very open with my friends and family (even meeting mine after around a year), I wasn’t blessed with the same openness – or even frankness about this.

    I cannot speak for him about the reasons why he made the choices he did, but I can share the impact it had on.

    For example, I felt shut out. And given my past, I didn’t want to feel shut out by any community, people or practice. I always aimed to be true to myself and respectful to others as a person – including friends, families and communities. 

    It suddenly unfolded quite immensely during one argument.

    Farhad explained how the relationship was a private affair regarding his religious community (not just personal safety in terms of political asylum).

    It turned out that he’d expected me to “trust the process”. Well, no.

    I expected to be part of an open communicative process about said “process” from the start and to decide if that was something I wanted to engage with (I did later meet and spend quite a bit of time with his mother who was visiting from overseas and became rather fond of her – sharing food and gifts).

    This became a critical point of contention. I didn’t hide. He did. And he wasn’t open about it to me either. That was the real issue.

    I understood community and family dynamics – but I expected to be in on the process from the start and to decide what role I wanted to play (if any) in that.

    What’s more, other things also began to increasingly unravel – and felt quite bitter on the receiving end.

    Farhad’s softness towards me in my spiritual journey came to a halt. A massive halt.

    It started with the blanket statement: “Dogs are haram in Islam”.

    Muslims do like and own dogs!

    Farhad declared this openly and firmly when discussing how the Iranian government let dogs in for rescue efforts (eventually) because the faith declared that owning dogs was forbidden (a common belief).

    Of course, in my mind, dogs were and have never been “haram” (forbidden). They’re a beautiful creature, and a blessing from God that offer companionship, love and care.

    Any hadith (apparent saying of the Prophet Muhammed – recorded 500 years after his death and with varying stated degrees of “authenticity”) that referred to this was clearly either: contextual (dogs at the time had rabies) or unreliable (possibly both).

    None the less, as a Muslim woman, I shared my stance.

    There are varying beliefs amongst Muslims and an increasing number of Muslims are keeping dogs are pets (rather than outside guard dogs). Dogs are not inherently unclean, and dogs can and do live in Muslim homes.

    But, he insisted no. Islam is X. Islam says this. And he’d lived in a Muslim country.

    He spoke and acted as thought he knew Islam better than me.

    I stood my ground – of course. I’m not naïve. I knew what Islamism is.

    I know the traditional belief he’d have lived. I knew what “Islam” in Iran looked like.

    And I knew my faith – the good, the bad and the ugly (I’d literally experienced it!).

    The Islam he knew was likely often seemingly one of a brutal intolerant theocracy or at least a very, very conservative faith (I can’t speak for him outrightly).

    Either way, that wasn’t my faith. And no, I wasn’t making my faith up. I’d learnt, I’d rationalised, and I’d lived. No one owned God.

    It had been a darn hard but important struggle. No one was taking that away from me. I was a Muslim. He wasn’t.

    Of course, as a non-Muslim was free to discuss, to criticise and to share his views and lived experience whatever his background (and this is important) – as was I.

    This was the safe space I found at the start – a space where I could be honest about my religious trauma, where I could be a free-thinking progressive, where I could be spiritual and not have to listen to the conservative dogma where there was “one Islam” and I was apparently going against it and was therefore a “murtad” (apostate), “munafiqa” (hypocrite) or “kafirah” (non-believer/concealer of the truth) as the trolling antisemitic, misogynistic, homophobic Islamists would declare, spitting out from their hate-fuelled mouths. 

    Yet my pain, my trauma and my faith were not up for debate. Intentional or not, it felt patronising, dismissive and frustrating.

    Post-hijab but still a happy Muslim woman (Eid at Birmingham Central Mosque, 2022).

    He didn’t have the right to dictate my faith to me, declaring what it is or isn’t.

    Farhad wasn’t a scholar of religion, he wasn’t an interfaith practitioner, and he wasn’t Muslim. He didn’t appear to know about the diversity of Islam. But that wasn’t the point.

    More  than that: he wasn’t appearing to listen, share and fully care for his partner. 

    He didn’t need to be Muslim to share in the discussion by any means, but he needed to be open-minded. His lived experience of Islam was not the faith I had chosen.

    I’d never believed in the Islam of Khomeini. Ever. And was never going to.

    Whether it was “Islam” de facto, “Islamism” or just another form of a diverse faith (and potentially more diverse religious/cultural community than as currently socially, culturally and theologically lived/expressed) – is besides the point.

    It’s about the conversation – how it started and how it was navigated. 

    Without a doubt, there was overlapping trauma between Farhad’s country of origin and himself, and likewise my faith and my religious trauma.  But the conservatism I’d left behind was not the faith I still clung onto. And this clinging on to was empowering but also very difficult.

    I needed support, compassion and kindness, not what appeared to be in time criticism, unkindness and self-blame. For sadly, it got worse from there.

    I was processing my trauma – only just beginning to become aware of the full pernicious extend it had on myself as a woman. And he appeared to want to shut it down.

    It all came to a crux: he pointed out the harm. I knew a lot of it.

    But I was – slowly but increasingly – becoming more aware of it. I was starting to become more self-aware, and I needed to process it all. 

    Of course, I wanted to leave the trauma behind and remain Muslim. But that was a process.

    As a young woman, I was walking on a journey of emancipation, self-realisation and healing – whatever the end result. This journey couldn’t happen in a day.

    I was Muslim and was going to remain one I told myself.

    Yet Farhad’s response appeared more-or-less to be: it caused you so much harm. Why are you holding on to it?

    Only he knows what lies in Farhad’s heart, mind and soul.

    Perhaps all of this triggered him. Perhaps it was frustrating for himself, and that he felt angry on my behalf.

    Or perhaps it a deep dislike, disdain or rejection of my faith as a whole?

    Who knows. Farhad is the only person featured in this blog to not have been consulted on this blog. So, I can’t answer that.

    But what I will say is that unlike at the start of the relationship, things had changed.

    He may have been well intentioned (or stemming from frustration). But, nonetheless, it came across as cold, angry unempathetic and blaming.

    Whether he thought Islam was the problem – one that I was hanging on to – or whether he was merely pointing out the harm I’d been taught, lived and was processing as a Muslim (which with care and trust is open, honest and beautiful), only he knows.

    When reflecting on this more recently, it appeared to me as a hatred/intolerance for my faith/spiritual experience.

    And so, it seemed that my progressive criticism were at odds with each other.

    At the end of the day, Muslims are a group of people who interpret and live a faith known as Islam.

    Without a direct line to God, Muslims are free to interpret and (with free will) to life their faith as they like (of course there are fundamentals to the Islamic faith/Muslim community as it stands that unite Muslims as a group of people).

    As his partner, I had all the time and love in the world for his emotional needs, but not for my needs to be either (intentionally) used or unintentionally pushed against me.

    I didn’t need my partner, the man who supposedly loved me to appear to blame me for me pain.

    Love is about patience, kindness compassion, empathy and understanding.

    And reflecting back, what I’d say to Farhad now is this: we know that no one owns God and so as a Muslim woman, yes; there was much pain and trauma (both cultural and religious) in my past. But, there was also still so much beauty.

    And that beauty was part and will always be a part of me. Without regret.

    Almost a year into our relationship, I felt he used my own religious trauma against me.

    I felt that he vented his frustrations at me when I needed care. And I felt that he blamed me when a partner should instead love, listen and care – with honesty of course, yet also compassion and empathy.

    I don’t believe it was simply about him wanting me to move on from trauma. He met me as a Muslim and shared 11 months with me as a Muslim.

    My faith was non-negotiable. I think he couldn’t see any beauty in the faith I held. He didn’t and couldn’t respect it. And through his behaviour, he didn’t respect me.

    I was in a tricky stage of my life, but I was open about this (as much as I was learning at the time).

    He wasn’t as open about his emotions and his trauma – whatever and wherever the source (including family dynamics).

    I needed to process and claim my own identity for myself – whatever that looked like. It wasn’t his to pick apart. 

    He may well have been frustrated. To me, he just came across as not a very nice person (to put it mildly!).

    And that theme continued up to meeting my family and afterwards his increasing coldness, accusations, unwillingness to communication and lack of empathy.

    Towards the end, I told him he was a narcissist as he lacked much needed empathy (I believe my trauma has made me a more empathetic person – for others, I have since learnt trauma can manifest in narcissism, but that’s a much bigger topic).

    Farhad’s response? He agreed he might be.

    His tolerance mask (inner patience) had seemingly slipped – for my faith, for my emotional needs and for my friendship with my ex-husband.

    Things were getting tiring, painful and emotional. I’d had enough. And he shut down.

    Farhad didn’t share his feelings for discussion, dialogue and growth.

    He grew angry. He grew cold and he grew increasingly accusative.

    He questioned my own very real truths and in the end he outrightly twisted them against me, including towards my mental health and my reactions regarding his behaviour towards me.

    Was this out of ignorance or very real intentional gaslighting? It felt at the time like the latter.

    Looking back, who knows. Either way, it was out of order, incredibly hurtful and toxic. 

    Farhad had become a different person. I wanted the old Farhad back – the loving, patient, understanding one – or to move on.

    In the end, I ended it calmly and peacefully. I felt free. Then, I went back. It was painful. Very, very lonely and painful.

    My emotions ran deep. He ran cold. He then declared he wanted to “go on a break”. I didn’t believe in breaks – you work it out or you end it.

    We went on said break and before it ended, we met and he ended our relationship.

    He told me that he “couldn’t meet both mine and his emotional needs” and that he’d apparently been told by his therapist back in Iran on day one (and later his mother) that we weren’t compatible.

    He broke my heart into a million tiny pieces. No Farhad, we weren’t compatible. I deserved better.

    I returned home crushed. I wanted answers – to at least have a discussion to see if anything we’d shared has been real. And later, we did. I cried and he cried.

    Farhad shared that he wanted to remain friends – to travel, to spend time together (to essentially act like but not be a couple). I refused. I had to cut him off.

    And so, our story closed. And once again the healing had to continue – this time with an extra added load.

    Respect should be about love and freedom – but not censorship. The criticism or critique of one’s own belief system or culture by a partner, most not be used, exploited or manipulated by the other.

    Intolerance is not the same as critical thinking or examining lived experience.

    Intolerance (as opposed to sympathy to difficult lived experiences) should not be used to blame the individual, feed disrespect regarding disagreement and/or dislike of practices, values and beliefs.

    Tolerance isn’t enough to sustain a healthy relationship: if you love another person, you should love their being for their sake – not as a form of religious conversion, proselytising or blasphemy-esque censorship, but in recognition, appreciation, respect and care for their feelings, the things they cherish (their value system) and their lived experience.

    You can of course agree to disagree. This is in fact very important, and each person should feel and must be free to express themselves. But respect, care and inclusivity are non-negotiable.

    There is no one way of being any adherent to a faith or expressing one’s spirituality. We really need to respect that choice, regardless of whether we share that faith or not.

    It is not acceptable for one person (or both) to gatekeep the other – whether they share that faith, have lived experience (of course real) in one or more contexts or are an external observer (with no real insight, experience or knowledge).

    Stereotyping and judging – as an internal gatekeeper (e.g. co religionist), stereotyping “outsider” or by any other way this may present, are not healthy, open, caring and do not nurture a loving safe space for a relationship

    Spiritual sharing is real and beautiful. This is a very real reality and can include rituals such as praying together or in non-ritual terms based on value-based practices (e.g. charity and social action) through shared values and beliefs.

    By understanding and embracing the varied nature of faith traditions and additionally recognising the varied personal practice and interpretation of each person (rather than stereotypes), couples can develop their own shared beliefs, practices and experiences.

    This is a powerful bonding experience – but should be mutually desired and by no means derive from any form of criticism, coercion, disrespect or force (it goes without saying).

    Keep an eye out for part 3 of this series, where I share the impact of trauma on stereotyping others in the context of mixed relationships.

    This post was originally published on Voice of Salam.

  • This blog is part of a five-part series looking at interfaith and intercultural relationships and the factors behind their success and longevity (or lack of). The series is based on my personal experience as a Muslim woman in her 20s and 30s.

    In part 1, I look at marriage and love across cultures and borders, examining the role of shared values and knowing oneself.

    In this blog, I share my experience of faith and religious divides in an intercultural/interfaith relationship.

    In part 3, I share the impact of trauma on stereotyping others in the context of mixed relationships.

    In part 4, I look at emotional factors (in particular attachment styles) and their relation to culture, as opposed to cultural or religious difference as a standalone.

    In part 5, I conclude by sharing insight into the factors and dynamics involved in mixed relationships in maintaining a healthy long-lasting interfaith/intercultural relationship.


    Persian architecture (Iran). Image: Jose Figueroa

    “Real diversity and inclusion doesn’t mean that we will always agree. It means that even when we disagree, we can still respect each other.”

    (Justin Jones-Fosu)

    I met “Farhad” on my first in-person date following my divorce. Looking back, we were a bit like young love-stuck teenagers.

    We fell in love quickly and intensely. We pretty much clicked on our first date and things sped along from there.

    Farhad was significant at this stage of my life as he understood my background more than the average non-Muslim man living in Britain. Being an “outsider”, he also posed less “risk” (according to my trauma-based reality at the time).

    How? Who was he? And what was his background? 

    Well, Farhad was Persian and Baháʼí (his family had converted previously from Shia Islam). He’d grown up in Iran and sought asylum in the UK in his early 20s.

    Growing up in Iran (and a very conservative area of the country too), he was obviously familiar with Islam to a certain extent as a whole (my choice of wording will become clear later in terms of religious diversity within the Muslim world).

    In Farhad’s case, he’d grown up in an Islamist theocracy (a particularly famously brutal one) as a persecuted religious minority.

    There was clearly trauma and frustration there. He was happily Persian but didn’t associate much with other Persians. He did however attend services with other members of his community, who were a mix of Persians, English converts and other nationalities.

    His faith was one I was slightly familiar with but more as a religion belonging to a minority group both in Iran and the UK.

    Prior to meeting Farhad, I knew about his faith to some extent. But this was more based on Baháʼí  as a community through my activism on human rights in Iran, rather than any great theological insight.

    As a religion, the Baháʼí faith originated in Iran. The founder Baháʼu’lláh was born in Iran and exiled to Iraq.As a religious leader, he preached religious unity, with the faith today standing for unity of faith and amongst people worldwide.

    I liked it – and still do! And the more I learnt, I personally came to see the Bahai faith as an historical extension of Islam, having been originally been forcibly separated as the Muslim world rejected and persecuted the now separate Baháʼí community .

    Today, the Baháʼí are generally  a religious community that is not well known. Exceptions include amongst religious/interfaith enthusiasts and practitioners alike and within the Jewish world – with the Baháʼí World Centre based in Haifa, Israel. 

    It was only my interfaith and Jewish friends that didn’t ask what Baháʼí was when enthusiastically asking for details of the new love in my life!

    As a community, the majority of Bahai are Persians from Iran – but not all by any means.

    There are communities all over the world with the faith now the second largest religion in Panama, Belize, Bolivia,  Zambia, Papa New Guinea, Chad and Kenya. Most converts however reside in India and the Western world.

    In Iran however, the community remain persecuted and severely restricted. I knew this quite well.

    Out in London protesting for women’s rights in Iran (2019).

    The Baháʼí community are banned from attending public university and pretty much have to rely on themselves to survive. The more I got to know Farhad, the more I learnt about this.

    More broadly, add to this the wider ramifications of living in modern Iran – a country with such beautiful rich culture yet an oppressive regime – Farhad likely had a very difficult upbringing.

    War, religious persecution, Islamism: they’re not easy at all to say the least (especially when I now see and understand the emotional impact of such trauma and how trauma-responses/lived experiences can develop into socio-cultural norms and/or practices).

    On my side, I at the time of meeting, I was not in the place where I felt I could date a man who was Muslim, Arab or Amazigh.

    I’d come out of a conservative marriage, had emotional trauma to deal with, and I hadn’t been on a date for many, many years (minus the recent post-divorce video call e-meet). 

    Prior to being married, I was a serial monogamist. Now I was a millennial in my 30s and the dating scene had changed – a lot!

    In terms of intercultural dating, I loved Persian culture and knew a lot about Iran.

    I loved the warmth, the family values, the food, the music, the language, the architecture and much more.

    I’d engaged in a lot of human rights activism and had a deep respect and fondness for the people and their nation – but not the regime.

    I understood Farhad’s struggles. I loved his culture. And I didn’t whitewash over anything –  I knew and felt the pain of Iranians across the board and the Baháʼí community as an example.

    So, in short, when Farhad and I met, we seemed to match. I think we both learnt at lot from each other on our first date. And, we also learnt that the spark was there.

    We understood each other and this grew over time. Obviously, Farhad had to learn over time who I was (I’m a bit of a mixed bag to say the least!), but he approached me in a way that was sensitive to my faith.

    He knew and appeared to respect the fact that I was a Muslim woman. And so, he pursued me accordingly, learning who I was as a British-Italian woman embracing progressivism in faith – and in the early stages of such journey.

    At the start, this mutual understanding and shared trauma translated to providing a safe space for me. He understood me. He “got it”.

    I wasn’t the average “British woman” (whatever that is!).

    I had a more conservative approach to dating on the one hand and baggage from the past, but on the other hand, I was also an open-minded Muslim and a European (British-Italian) woman who’d grown up in the “West” (and had dated before converting to Islam).

    Embracing my post-hijab days (left: as an Orthodox Muslim, 2012; after removing hijab, c. 2019)

    It was timely. Farhad gave me that space to be me. He understood my struggles. And we were on the same team – or so I thought.

    We fell in love. We committed to each other. We pushed through the Covid-19 pandemic together and the challenges involved. And we prayed together.

    It was beautiful. We opened his prayer book. It looked rather like a Muslim prayer book – with Farsi and Arabic combined.

    The letters, the words, the monotheism were familiar, warm and beautiful.

    Together we prayed and we shared our mutual spirituality as two people of different faiths, one love and belief in One God. It was a moment I shall never ever forget.

    That moment truly pictured who and where I was at the  time – as a Muslim, a woman and a human. And Farhad seemingly understood that. He didn’t just “tolerate” my faith, he always encouraged me. At least outrightly at the start.

    He never professed to love Islam, but he didn’t need to. And I didn’t want or need him to either.

    I respected and loved his faith for his sake (even without considering how similar both our spiritualities were in outlook). And I simply needed the same.

    As the months passed, we discussed how I’d approach Ramadan. We talked (quite easily and unitedly) about what raising children would look like – sharing and teaching a belief in a One God. Simple.

    And we both talked about how we were less conservative than the conservative communities we knew and belonged to.

    Yes, the Baháʼí faith is incredibly open and tolerant. But I also found it had its conservatisms too (this is only my singular experience however). It was so alike yet far from the “Islam” I’d met as  taught in the conservative diaspora (UK) and wider  Muslim world to some extend at least.

    For one, there was no gender segregation in his faith. There were no dress codes. There was no hijab.

    Post-hijab me loved it. I felt a commonality theologically, culturally, socially.

    Next: Farhad grew up being taught that sex outside of marriage was a sin and that drinking alcohol was a no-no. Again: something I’d shared in the Muslim world.

    We were both so similar. But in retrospect, similar in trauma, similar in pushing boundaries and similar in rejecting conservative norms.

    The difference is that I didn’t hide who I was. I believe in something, or I don’t. I think, I rationalise, and I come to my own moral conclusions. And I have no pressure from my non-Muslim family.

    Farhad on the other hand had a community to think about.

    His parents had certain expectations. And whilst he was very open with my friends and family (even meeting mine after around a year), I wasn’t blessed with the same openness – or even frankness about this.

    I cannot speak for him about the reasons why he made the choices he did, but I can share the impact it had on.

    For example, I felt shut out. And given my past, I didn’t want to feel shut out by any community, people or practice. I always aimed to be true to myself and respectful to others as a person – including friends, families and communities. 

    It suddenly unfolded quite immensely during one argument.

    Farhad explained how the relationship was a private affair regarding his religious community (not just personal safety in terms of political asylum).

    It turned out that he’d expected me to “trust the process”. Well, no.

    I expected to be part of an open communicative process about said “process” from the start and to decide if that was something I wanted to engage with (I did later meet and spend quite a bit of time with his mother who was visiting from overseas and became rather fond of her – sharing food and gifts).

    This became a critical point of contention. I didn’t hide. He did. And he wasn’t open about it to me either. That was the real issue.

    I understood community and family dynamics – but I expected to be in on the process from the start and to decide what role I wanted to play (if any) in that.

    What’s more, other things also began to increasingly unravel – and felt quite bitter on the receiving end.

    Farhad’s softness towards me in my spiritual journey came to a halt. A massive halt.

    It started with the blanket statement: “Dogs are haram in Islam”.

    Muslims do like and own dogs!

    Farhad declared this openly and firmly when discussing how the Iranian government let dogs in for rescue efforts (eventually) because the faith declared that owning dogs was forbidden (a common belief).

    Of course, in my mind, dogs were and have never been “haram” (forbidden). They’re a beautiful creature, and a blessing from God that offer companionship, love and care.

    Any hadith (apparent saying of the Prophet Muhammed – recorded 500 years after his death and with varying stated degrees of “authenticity”) that referred to this was clearly either: contextual (dogs at the time had rabies) or unreliable (possibly both).

    None the less, as a Muslim woman, I shared my stance.

    There are varying beliefs amongst Muslims and an increasing number of Muslims are keeping dogs are pets (rather than outside guard dogs). Dogs are not inherently unclean, and dogs can and do live in Muslim homes.

    But, he insisted no. Islam is X. Islam says this. And he’d lived in a Muslim country.

    He spoke and acted as thought he knew Islam better than me.

    I stood my ground – of course. I’m not naïve. I knew what Islamism is.

    I know the traditional belief he’d have lived. I knew what “Islam” in Iran looked like.

    And I knew my faith – the good, the bad and the ugly (I’d literally experienced it!).

    The Islam he knew was likely often seemingly one of a brutal intolerant theocracy or at least a very, very conservative faith (I can’t speak for him outrightly).

    Either way, that wasn’t my faith. And no, I wasn’t making my faith up. I’d learnt, I’d rationalised, and I’d lived. No one owned God.

    It had been a darn hard but important struggle. No one was taking that away from me. I was a Muslim. He wasn’t.

    Of course, as a non-Muslim was free to discuss, to criticise and to share his views and lived experience whatever his background (and this is important) – as was I.

    This was the safe space I found at the start – a space where I could be honest about my religious trauma, where I could be a free-thinking progressive, where I could be spiritual and not have to listen to the conservative dogma where there was “one Islam” and I was apparently going against it and was therefore a “murtad” (apostate), “munafiqa” (hypocrite) or “kafirah” (non-believer/concealer of the truth) as the trolling antisemitic, misogynistic, homophobic Islamists would declare, spitting out from their hate-fuelled mouths. 

    Yet my pain, my trauma and my faith were not up for debate. Intentional or not, it felt patronising, dismissive and frustrating.

    Post-hijab but still a happy Muslim woman (Eid at Birmingham Central Mosque, 2022).

    He didn’t have the right to dictate my faith to me, declaring what it is or isn’t.

    Farhad wasn’t a scholar of religion, he wasn’t an interfaith practitioner, and he wasn’t Muslim. He didn’t appear to know about the diversity of Islam. But that wasn’t the point.

    More  than that: he wasn’t appearing to listen, share and fully care for his partner. 

    He didn’t need to be Muslim to share in the discussion by any means, but he needed to be open-minded. His lived experience of Islam was not the faith I had chosen.

    I’d never believed in the Islam of Khomeini. Ever. And was never going to.

    Whether it was “Islam” de facto, “Islamism” or just another form of a diverse faith (and potentially more diverse religious/cultural community than as currently socially, culturally and theologically lived/expressed) – is besides the point.

    It’s about the conversation – how it started and how it was navigated. 

    Without a doubt, there was overlapping trauma between Farhad’s country of origin and himself, and likewise my faith and my religious trauma.  But the conservatism I’d left behind was not the faith I still clung onto. And this clinging on to was empowering but also very difficult.

    I needed support, compassion and kindness, not what appeared to be in time criticism, unkindness and self-blame. For sadly, it got worse from there.

    I was processing my trauma – only just beginning to become aware of the full pernicious extend it had on myself as a woman. And he appeared to want to shut it down.

    It all came to a crux: he pointed out the harm. I knew a lot of it.

    But I was – slowly but increasingly – becoming more aware of it. I was starting to become more self-aware, and I needed to process it all. 

    Of course, I wanted to leave the trauma behind and remain Muslim. But that was a process.

    As a young woman, I was walking on a journey of emancipation, self-realisation and healing – whatever the end result. This journey couldn’t happen in a day.

    I was Muslim and was going to remain one I told myself.

    Yet Farhad’s response appeared more-or-less to be: it caused you so much harm. Why are you holding on to it?

    Only he knows what lies in Farhad’s heart, mind and soul.

    Perhaps all of this triggered him. Perhaps it was frustrating for himself, and that he felt angry on my behalf.

    Or perhaps it a deep dislike, disdain or rejection of my faith as a whole?

    Who knows. Farhad is the only person featured in this blog to not have been consulted on this blog. So, I can’t answer that.

    But what I will say is that unlike at the start of the relationship, things had changed.

    He may have been well intentioned (or stemming from frustration). But, nonetheless, it came across as cold, angry unempathetic and blaming.

    Whether he thought Islam was the problem – one that I was hanging on to – or whether he was merely pointing out the harm I’d been taught, lived and was processing as a Muslim (which with care and trust is open, honest and beautiful), only he knows.

    When reflecting on this more recently, it appeared to me as a hatred/intolerance for my faith/spiritual experience.

    And so, it seemed that my progressive criticism were at odds with each other.

    At the end of the day, Muslims are a group of people who interpret and live a faith known as Islam.

    Without a direct line to God, Muslims are free to interpret and (with free will) to life their faith as they like (of course there are fundamentals to the Islamic faith/Muslim community as it stands that unite Muslims as a group of people).

    As his partner, I had all the time and love in the world for his emotional needs, but not for my needs to be either (intentionally) used or unintentionally pushed against me.

    I didn’t need my partner, the man who supposedly loved me to appear to blame me for me pain.

    Love is about patience, kindness compassion, empathy and understanding.

    And reflecting back, what I’d say to Farhad now is this: we know that no one owns God and so as a Muslim woman, yes; there was much pain and trauma (both cultural and religious) in my past. But, there was also still so much beauty.

    And that beauty was part and will always be a part of me. Without regret.

    Almost a year into our relationship, I felt he used my own religious trauma against me.

    I felt that he vented his frustrations at me when I needed care. And I felt that he blamed me when a partner should instead love, listen and care – with honesty of course, yet also compassion and empathy.

    I don’t believe it was simply about him wanting me to move on from trauma. He met me as a Muslim and shared 11 months with me as a Muslim.

    My faith was non-negotiable. I think he couldn’t see any beauty in the faith I held. He didn’t and couldn’t respect it. And through his behaviour, he didn’t respect me.

    I was in a tricky stage of my life, but I was open about this (as much as I was learning at the time).

    He wasn’t as open about his emotions and his trauma – whatever and wherever the source (including family dynamics).

    I needed to process and claim my own identity for myself – whatever that looked like. It wasn’t his to pick apart. 

    He may well have been frustrated. To me, he just came across as not a very nice person (to put it mildly!).

    And that theme continued up to meeting my family and afterwards his increasing coldness, accusations, unwillingness to communication and lack of empathy.

    Towards the end, I told him he was a narcissist as he lacked much needed empathy (I believe my trauma has made me a more empathetic person – for others, I have since learnt trauma can manifest in narcissism, but that’s a much bigger topic).

    Farhad’s response? He agreed he might be.

    His tolerance mask (inner patience) had seemingly slipped – for my faith, for my emotional needs and for my friendship with my ex-husband.

    Things were getting tiring, painful and emotional. I’d had enough. And he shut down.

    Farhad didn’t share his feelings for discussion, dialogue and growth.

    He grew angry. He grew cold and he grew increasingly accusative.

    He questioned my own very real truths and in the end he outrightly twisted them against me, including towards my mental health and my reactions regarding his behaviour towards me.

    Was this out of ignorance or very real intentional gaslighting? It felt at the time like the latter.

    Looking back, who knows. Either way, it was out of order, incredibly hurtful and toxic. 

    Farhad had become a different person. I wanted the old Farhad back – the loving, patient, understanding one – or to move on.

    In the end, I ended it calmly and peacefully. I felt free. Then, I went back. It was painful. Very, very lonely and painful.

    My emotions ran deep. He ran cold. He then declared he wanted to “go on a break”. I didn’t believe in breaks – you work it out or you end it.

    We went on said break and before it ended, we met and he ended our relationship.

    He told me that he “couldn’t meet both mine and his emotional needs” and that he’d apparently been told by his therapist back in Iran on day one (and later his mother) that we weren’t compatible.

    He broke my heart into a million tiny pieces. No Farhad, we weren’t compatible. I deserved better.

    I returned home crushed. I wanted answers – to at least have a discussion to see if anything we’d shared has been real. And later, we did. I cried and he cried.

    Farhad shared that he wanted to remain friends – to travel, to spend time together (to essentially act like but not be a couple). I refused. I had to cut him off.

    And so, our story closed. And once again the healing had to continue – this time with an extra added load.

    Respect should be about love and freedom – but not censorship. The criticism or critique of one’s own belief system or culture by a partner, most not be used, exploited or manipulated by the other.

    Intolerance is not the same as critical thinking or examining lived experience.

    Intolerance (as opposed to sympathy to difficult lived experiences) should not be used to blame the individual, feed disrespect regarding disagreement and/or dislike of practices, values and beliefs.

    Tolerance isn’t enough to sustain a healthy relationship: if you love another person, you should love their being for their sake – not as a form of religious conversion, proselytising or blasphemy-esque censorship, but in recognition, appreciation, respect and care for their feelings, the things they cherish (their value system) and their lived experience.

    You can of course agree to disagree. This is in fact very important, and each person should feel and must be free to express themselves. But respect, care and inclusivity are non-negotiable.

    There is no one way of being any adherent to a faith or expressing one’s spirituality. We really need to respect that choice, regardless of whether we share that faith or not.

    It is not acceptable for one person (or both) to gatekeep the other – whether they share that faith, have lived experience (of course real) in one or more contexts or are an external observer (with no real insight, experience or knowledge).

    Stereotyping and judging – as an internal gatekeeper (e.g. co religionist), stereotyping “outsider” or by any other way this may present, are not healthy, open, caring and do not nurture a loving safe space for a relationship

    Spiritual sharing is real and beautiful. This is a very real reality and can include rituals such as praying together or in non-ritual terms based on value-based practices (e.g. charity and social action) through shared values and beliefs.

    By understanding and embracing the varied nature of faith traditions and additionally recognising the varied personal practice and interpretation of each person (rather than stereotypes), couples can develop their own shared beliefs, practices and experiences.

    This is a powerful bonding experience – but should be mutually desired and by no means derive from any form of criticism, coercion, disrespect or force (it goes without saying).

    Keep an eye out for part 3 of this series, where I share the impact of trauma on stereotyping others in the context of mixed relationships.

    This post was originally published on Voice of Salam.

  • In a previous blog I shed light on a book that has quite possibly changed my life.

    The book in question? “No Encounter Is by Chance” by Hakan Menguc.

    This gem examines how the people we meet are fundamental to our life journey. It highlights how each person brings a lesson and shapes our path.

    Delving into the wisdom of Rumi and Shams, I shared 35 lessons on life for navigating the world, embracing all kinds of relationships and interactions, and creating positive change.

    In short: don’t judge others, live in the moment, be flexible, learn from each other.

    And so, with that in mind, I’d like to share the stories of four people who’ve led me to deep reflections, blessings and lessons in life.

    Lessons relatable across faith and cultural traditions, they embody the spirit of Rumi, Shams and Menguc alike (as detailed in the last blog).

    Before we dive in though, I’d like to note two things:

    1. Of course, each person in this blog has taught me many things
    2. So too have many more beautiful (and no less important) individuals

    However, for the sake of keeping this blog as short and sweet as possible, I’ve decided to focus on four people, with one key lesson each.

    I hope they inspire you as much as they continue to do so in my life.

    Chilling in Jemaa el-Fnna square, Marrakesh (Morocco, July 2010).

    “Once you label me you negate me.”

    (Soren Kierkegaard)

    Jade and I have been friends for almost twenty years. And whilst we’re not related by blood, I consider her my sister. In short: she’s family.

    We met during our university days, back when we were both pursuing our undergraduate degrees in (various) foreign languages at the University of Birmingham.

    We had a lot in common – but we didn’t know it at first.

    Apart from a bashful “hello” in the corridor during our second year, we never really spoke.

    Most of our classes were separate (although we both studied French) and we never really got the time to get to know each other.

    But, that was all about to change. Drastically.

    Fast forward to our third year of university: our year abroad. This was our ERASMUS year (pre-Brexit!).

    I’d spent the academic year in Siena (Italy), whilst Jade had split her time between Germany and Spain.

    We were both sent by our university to complete a compulsory month-long course at a French language school.

    And so, in Summer 2009, we were both headed to France. Tours to be exact.

    It was a memorable experience with four weeks at a language school.

    We visited lots of chateaux, went kayaking in the Loire Valley, and… discovered that we got on like a house on fire!

    Yep, we instantly bonded. Lovers of foreign languages and cultures, we were both explorers.

    And that’s where it all started.

    Over nearly two decades, we’ve travelled, explored and studied together in many a country (including Morocco, Germany and Austria).

    They’ve been years full of fun, learning and laughter. Lots of it.

    But, it’s always been deeper than that. We haven’t just visited tourist sites, eaten “foreign food” and practiced the lingo.

    No, we’ve talked with neighbours, made local friends and embraced the humanity of everyone.

    As the years have gone by, we’ve both experienced and cherished intercultural relationships and friendships, multiple moves abroad. We’ve also laughed, smiled and cried through the journey of life with many a different language on our tongues.

    Through thick and thin, together and apart: we’ve been there for each other.

    I know Jade has. Through religious conversions, veiling and de-veiling, and many significant changes in my life for starters.

    And whether by my physical side or via video call, she’s never ever judged me. Or others.

    In Jade’s world, no culture, no religion – nothing – is a defining element of the beauty or goodness of a person. Of compatibility, incompatibility, romance or friendship. Of humanity.

    Since once particularly poignant moment of my life in particular, I’ve remembered Jade’s words.

    Following a series of traumatic events/periods, I’d declared “never again” to certain experiences (that was the trauma talking).

    I began to worry about “what would so-and-so think” when making decisions about my lifestyle and my beliefs (anxiety again…).

    And, I over-thought the labels as I was navigating my identity – both who or “what” I was, and who or what I needed in my life.

    This was necessary, very normal reflection at the time, but it also very much wrapped in anxiety.

    And it’s in this period of my life in particular that Jade reminded me to not assume, judge or stereotype others based on areas of their (apparent) identity where I’d had previously traumatic, negative and other complex experiences.

    At the same time, Jade reminded me that I had to live for myself, according to my beliefs.

    This included also not overthinking labels, going with the flow and just following my path as it appeared.

    Of course, Jade and I have always believed in the beauty of diversity and the importance of rejecting nonsensical stereotypes. We’ve always valued treating everyone as unique, and being true to ourselves – including breaking the mould.

    But when I’ve needed a friendly ear to listen, an empathetic heart to understand and an open mind to share both my excitement and anxiety during periods of great change in my life, Jade’s been there.

    She’s reminded me of the critical shared values that we hold dear which inspire us to respect both ourselves and each and every person as individuals.

    Throughout our decade-and-a-half-long friendship, growing from university students to young professionals, Jade’s always reminded me that you can’t judge a person based on a supposed collective.

    You can’t let the trauma you may have experienced with one person, or a group, negatively stereotype (or even close off opportunities with) others (particularly on name / “label” basis only).

    What’s more, she’s also emphasised this crucial message: you can’t live your life based on the opinions of others.

    You respect others. You of course adapt, you compromise, and you remain flexible. And, you always remain authentic and true to yourself.

    No one likes to be judged. We’ve all got our own stories, characteristics and mixed identities. And each and every person is an individual.

    We know this. We believe in this. But how many of us live by this?

    Food for thought.

    Stuff stereotypes. We are all unique. We are all individuals. Don’t let labels or experiences blind – or bind – you to others, or yourself.

    Matt on an interfaith trip around India (2023) (Image: Matthew Pointon).  

    “The journey towards enlightenment is not about arrival, but about the path we take to get there.”

    (Jiddu Krishnamurti)

    You’re my Mary”. Three words. One phrase.

    Quite possibly one of the most beautiful things anyone has ever said to me, Matt uttered this after a night out in London, not long after we’d met on Twitter via a mutual friend.

    A fellow traveller, Albania enthusiast and writer, Matt and I quickly became good friends after our first Twitter exchange.

    I was living in London at the time and Matt in Stoke (only 30 minutes from my family home).

    Every now again Matt would pop down to London for work and we’d meet up. And so followed the length conversations about life, travel and… spirituality.

    We had a lot in common. Matt had married outside of his culture and remained friends with his ex-wife. Just like me. And, he’d taught English abroad – just had I.

    What’s more, whilst I was a born-Christian (Anglican with Catholic family) who’d converted to Islam and had a great affection for the Jewish world, Matt knew a lot about Islam.

    As a spiritual seeker, traveller and pilgrim, Matt has explored Sufism in Bulgaria, India and Pakistan.

    He’s attended church and explored the Christian world across many branches of Christianity, including Orthodox and Catholic.

    And, he’s visited many a synagogue and Jewish sites across the globe.

    To this day, we’ve never run out of stuff to talk about. To share, ponder and reflect – in particular when it comes to faith and spirituality.

    We’ve shared road trips to churches across Wales, visits to local Orthodox churches, Sikh gurdwaras and synagogues, and we’ve explored the Divine Feminine together. All fascinating, enriching and meaningful.

    Discussing faith in many a meet-up, it was during one evening in central London in particular that Matt shared something incredibly significant with me which has shaped my life ever since. 

    Following chatter over Japanese food and a drink or two, Matt recalled the story of Jesus at the home of Mary and Martha:

    “As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him.

    She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet listening to what he said. But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made.

    She came to him and asked: ‘Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!’

    ‘Martha, Martha,’ the Lord answered, ‘you are worried and upset about many things, but only one thing is needed. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.’”

    (Luke 10:38 – 42)

    I’d never heard this passage before. And I loved it.

    Discussing the meaning, Matt explained how Martha represents the dogmatic little details – the believer who “does” without questioning and the one whose focus is to “follow the rules”.

    Mary, on the other hand, represents the spirit – the deeper meaning behind faith and how this is reflected in our actions, deeds and decisions.

    In this story, Mary symbolises being in the moment, stopping to contemplate, to reflect and not simply “do”.

    Driven by values, faith and spirituality first, her faith isn’t about rules, doctrine or dogma.

    Matt then declared: “You’re my Mary”.

    I was shocked. Shocked, stunned and honoured. Honoured to be a Mary. Honoured to be seen as such a spiritual soul, not a devotee of dogma. And honoured to not be a Martha.

    I didn’t want to be Martha. I wanted to be more than that. Much more.

    As someone in particular who’s stepped away from ritualistic tradition and been on a long journey to get where I am now, these three words warmed my heart.

    They soothed my heart, soul and mind. They proudly reassured me: Liz, you are on the right path. You inspire me.

    This was a path I’d fought long, hard and alone to step on. And it was a long ongoing path – not a one stop destination.

    Time and time following that night, over hours and hours of chatter and reflection, Matt would declare:

    “You’ve got on the train. Great. But you mustn’t get off at the first stop. It’s too easy.

    Life, spirituality, faith: it’s a journey. You must never stop learning, discovering, searching.

    It’s all about the journey – not the destination.”

    Quite rightly, so, these words have stuck with me, becoming clearer and clearer with each step I take. For time and time again, I’m reminded how right Matt is.

    Today, I don’t yearn for a single answer, for a singular truth, for the answers to a “final exam”.

    Instead, I aim for to discover, share and learn from others, and to grow in wisdom.

    I aim to weave across traditions, cultures and time, up and down – knowing that this journey is full of ebbs and flows, dips and peaks. It’s not linear.

    No, I don’t want to be Martha. Mary I shall be.

    Focus on the spirit not the dogma, the journey not the destination, the spirit not the label.

    Catching up together in Oxford (Summer 2024).

    “If your wish comes true, be grateful. If it does not come true, be grateful nevertheless.”

    (Rumi)

    A sister in faith, where names, labels or community associations create no barriers… Meet Deborah.

    Deborah and I first met back in our university days. I was in my final year of my undergraduate studies and Deb was starting her second year in her degree.

    We were sharing the same university flat (halls). What we didn’t know at the time though was that, not only would we share a house for the following academic year, but also become lifelong friends.

    Roll back to September 2010.

    I’d just returned from my year abroad and a summer in North Africa (Tunisia and Morocco). I’d learnt about Arab culture, Islam and had long been reflecting on faith and going back to church.

    Deborah was back in Birmingham for her studies in politics and economics, and was very much into fashion and blogging.

    Arriving in our new flat, she’d first opened the cupboards and having seen the contents, expected an Italian gal. Well… she got me, so, it’s half true!

    From new flatmates from different cities and studying in different years and departments, here then started a very long friendship across cities, churches and faiths, and girly brunches, lunches and dinners amid a myriad of cultures.

    And this diversity has been beautiful. But diversity has not necessarily been something that’s shaped our friendship (well, not in any negative sense at least). How?

    Well, Deborah met me as a semi-practicing Christian of British-Italian heritage. I met her as a second generation British-Nigerian Christian.

    Still exploring my faith at the time, I started attending church with Deborah. I was also continuing Arabic language classes.

    And well, the rest is history… (well, for another blog).

    In short, a big change happened: I later became Muslim and part of the Maghrebi cultural community.

    A whopping 13 years since we first met, our cultures haven’t changed but a lot of other things have. I’m Muslim and in fact, our friendship is stronger than ever.

    Deb’s been there throughout many changes in my life: my spiritual journey and many more (including my mother’s death, a young marriage and divorce to name a few). 

    We’ve shared so many ups and downs and what I love the most is that, on the surface, to some people our journeys may look so different. Yet in reality, they’ve been often almost identical, mirroring and parallel to each other.

    Career progression, dating, we’ve shared it all – including theology.

    To this day, faith has never been a cause of division. In fact, the reality is rather the opposite.

    As I’ve navigated from liberal semi-practicing Christian to Orthodox Muslim, to progressive Muslim, Deborah has always remained true to her values over the years, and never judged me for mine.

    Sharing songs, verses and reflections, we’ve always been able to share our feelings and give each other a spiritual pick-me-up – without judgement.

    It doesn’t matter what name we give out faith communities, we’re actually closer together in our faith.

    Over the years, we’ve continuously grown closer and more similar in outlook and faith. Of course, this has also included how we’ve deepened our bond though the appreciation of the mutual support we share across faiths.

    As a woman of faith, Deborah has critically not only never judged me, but she’s also never stopped inspiring, motivating and supporting me.

    Deborah has taught me so much about life, faith and spirituality.

    Most of all, what she’s taught me is the importance of humility, patience and Divine timing.

    She’s helped me understand the importance of the lessons we learn. These are lessons that I’ve found make us stronger, help us appreciate what’s to come and teach us that God’s got our back.

    As we’re shared our mirroring journeys, we’ve been grateful for the lessons, the sweet taste of hard-earned success and challenges which have shaped us, changed us and made us.

    Deborah has been, and (I hope) will always be my sister in faith.

    She’s the gal pal who I can call after a Church service, who I can daydream about marriage and kids with, and who I know will always remind me of the importance of patience, persistence and self-preservation.

    As the contrast of light and dark and night and day exemplify, life teaches us that without struggle, where is the beauty in a blessing?

    Thank you, Deborah.

    Everything comes at its time – embrace the lessons, for they are an even sweeter blessing!

    Dinner at an Indian restaurant with Abee Makhlouf and my ex-husband Haroun (London, 2022).

    “Some people have gone to the Kaaba a thousand times, and still have not found their own essence; some people have never stepped out of their village but have a Kaaba in their heart.”

    (Hakan Menguc)

    Where do I start? Two continents, two countries, two families, two cultures: one faith.

    It’s incredibly hard to summarise such a story, but I shall try!

    I first met Abee (Dad) Makhlouf (in person) in 2012, in a small conservative village in eastern Algeria.

    Arriving at his home to the sound of celebratory “yoyoyoyoyo” (zaghareet), I didn’t really understand at the time (or know) that my life was never going to be the same again (in a good way!).

    It was the start of an incredible journey and my first step into my third home: Algeria.

    Many hours before, I’d landed in Algiers. Dad and I had been on a flight from London Gatwick.

    Having spent the night before at a hotel close to the airport, I was excited to finally meet the man I loved. And to potentially become his fiancée.

    The next day, I was thousands of miles from Gatwick and the nerves began to kick in.

    Walking through the arrival door with my luggage in hand, this 24-year-old British hijabi didn’t know what was to come.

    There he was: a bunch of flowers in hand, smiling and shy, standing next to his little sister and older cousin.

    Haroun: the man who would later become my husband for almost a decade and who welcomed me into his life, his home, his family, his world and his culture. We’d finally met in person.

    With no time to stop in Algiers (cultural decorum dictated that we meet his parents first), Haroun, his sister, cousin, my father and I headed to the car park.

    A few road stops and many hours later, we arrived.

    Here, I was to meet Haroun’s father Makhlouf, his mother, siblings and in time, almost his entire family.

    I could write a book on this (perhaps a few future blogs will follow), but for this blog, I’ll focus on Abee Makhlouf.

    Abee Makhlouf (Dad Makhlouf): a man who became my father-in-law and who I can only describe as my “Muslim father”. My guide, my support, my belonging, my blessing.

    The love and respect that this man has shown me over more than a decade is indescribable. He accepted me as his own from day one and still does to this very day.

    Still calling me “binti” (my daughter), I have many a cherished memory with Abee Makhlouf.

    Yet it was something that he said on British soil that cements what I love most about this man.

    Islam fil qalb

    (Islam is in the heart)

    This was Abee Makhlouf’s confirmation that the woman in skinny jeans and a tight jumper standing next to him (me!) had never ceased to be a Muslim.

    She’d never changed in his eyes. And she had always been (and would never stopped being) worthy as a woman, Muslim and an adopted daughter.

    For when Abee Makhlouf first met me, I was a conservative veiled Muslim woman (a hijabi).

    I was covered head to toe in loose baggy clothing. I didn’t drink. I didn’t wear make up. And I followed all the “rules”.

    Today, much has changed. Yet Abee Makhlouf still knows me as a Muslim woman.

    Never judging, never criticising, he’s always taught patience, humility and moderation.

    And from 2012 in eastern Algeria, to an evening in London in 2022 (and to this very day), his ethos stands firm.

    On this particular evening in London, we were at a tube station. Haroun, Abee Makhlouf and I had eaten at an Indian restaurant – a new experience for Abee Makhlouf.

    It was quite an unexpected evening all round.

    After many a year, Abee Makhlouf had come to the UK for the first time to visit his son and the UK – a country he’d heard so much about.

    It was like a dream come true – yet also very surreal – to see him here (I of course will never stop visiting Algeria).

    Not only was this the first time that we’d met on British (rather than Algerian) soil, but this was also the first time that we’d seen each other off-camera (in person) since I’d taken off my headscarf, got divorced and well, gone through quite a few changes in my life (cultural and spiritual in particular).

    Yet nothing had changed. Not to Abee Makhlouf anyway.

    Of course, I knew he still loved me. We’ve always been in touch and considered each other family both during my marriage and since my divorce.

    Yet, I shall forever hold that evening dear. For when I jokingly pointed to my jeans and jumper before I got the tube home, none of it mattered:

    “Islam fii qalb”  he replied. Islam fii qalb. Islam is in the heart.

    A declaration of hope, love and belonging, I shall forever cherish those four words.

    These four words are not only a symbol of what I personally believe in.

    They also a declaration of love and unity from a man who’s grown up in far more conservative culture than myself, in a Muslim country, and in a place where he’d met me at a totally different stage of my religious journey.

    The humility, acceptance and love that this man has shown is something that I have sadly often struggled to find in Muslim circles in the UK. Yet to Abee Makhlouf, it’s as natural as breathing.

    This is the Islam that I fell in love with before my conversion – the faith that I’d discovered in Tunisia through beautiful intercultural friendships.

    And it’s this warmth and love, from a people I’d never previously met, from a country who’s soil I’d never stepped on before 2012, and from a place I’d only learnt about in the context of French Studies (colonial history), that stole my heart.

    This was Algeria: Maghrebi, Amazigh, Arab culture. And this culture has cemented itself in my heart, soul and mind.

    Culture, faith, spirituality, identity – they’re fluid, changing, complex and diverse expressions of ourselves and our varied lived experiences.

    Yet however I’ve chosen to live and embrace these key elements, moments and parts of my life, to Abee Makhlouf, I was and will always be Liz – whatever my faith, whatever my beliefs, and whatever my practice as a Muslim woman – with or without a piece of cloth, and with or without his son as my husband.

    I know I’ll always be Abee Makhlouf’s adopted little British-Italian Chaoui (Amazigh-Algerian) daughter.

    And if that’s not Divine love, I don’t know what is.

    Faith is about what we do – not what we wear, not what we “portray” to others and not what we merely speak of – for it’s what’s on the inside that counts and makes us who we are.


    So, there we are. These are the stories of four people I’m blessed to have in my life: Jade, Matt, Deborah and Abee Makhlouf.

    Each and every one of these people continue to inspire me, and I hope these stories and the lessons within them inspire you too!

    Which encounters have shaped your lives? Drop us a comment and share!

    If you’ve been inspired by this blog post (and Menguc’s book):

    This post was originally published on Voice of Salam.

  • By Laura Marks

    With the tragic conflict continuing to rage in Israel and Palestine, threatening to tear communities here in the UK apart, it has never been more important to bring people of different faiths and beliefs together to build understanding.

    However, in my 20 years of working in this space, I can safely say I have never seen such forceful efforts by people on different sides to willingly denigrate these initiatives quite so brazenly. The consequences, if their efforts are successful, should worry us all.

    As the founder of the Jewish-Muslim women’s network Nisa-Nashim, I truly believe that we need more opportunities to meet people of different faiths – not less.

    But, I’ve been increasingly under attack from people who seem intent on driving ever deeper wedges between our communities – particularly between Jews and Muslims, but other faith and cultural communities too.

    First, we have those who belittle what we do: it’s easy to paint “interfaith” work as naïve, idealistic or in some way fluffy.

    They say that we can’t possibly solve the big issues by listening and entering into dialogue. They say interfaith has ‘let us down’ and so should be abandoned. 

    But what alternative are they are proposing?

    Do they really believe retreating to positions of polarised, shouty narratives is any less naïve when it comes to solving the big problems we face?

    Mitzvah Day chair Laura Marks CBE with Muslim campaigner Julie Siddiqi MBE (Picture: Yakir Zur (c))

    The evidence for building relationships between faith communities is compelling, academic and far from fluffy.

    As Dr Katherine Marshall of Georgetown University’s Berkley Center for Religion, Peace and World Affairs has written:

    “Interfaith knowledge can avert the social tensions that can lead to conflict and violence as well as political divides that detract from efforts to develop flourishing societies.”

    Then, we have detractors who are set on discrediting people or organisations who associate with ‘undesirables’ – whatever that might mean.

    ‘Guilt by association’ has become the norm.

    In my own organisations, I have seen this time and again, with my charities being scoured by people looking to find funders or connections their narrative finds unpalatable.

    Nisa Nashim members at South Hampstead synagogue (Picture: Yakir Zur (c))

    In reality, most major Jewish philanthropists support Israeli causes and most Muslim funders support Palestinian causes, making it easy for some to lay suspicion that they are in some way ‘hateful’.

    Of course, we must have red lines, all of us.

    But, if we are to solve inter-community conflict and tension, we will need to reach outside our echo chambers and welcome people whose wider networks don’t always align with our own.

    And at its most dangerous, there are those who are actively trying to undermine our efforts because it suits their extreme positions to whip up yet more distrust and ultimately intimidate people away from connecting with people who are different to themselves.

    Despite the successes we have seen at Nisa-Nashim, where our work is underpinned by friendships between Muslim and Jewish women, our members are too frequently under immense pressure from family and friends, as well as organisations with an agenda, to step away.

    They’re warned not to hang out with Muslim ‘extremists’ or Jewish ‘Zionists’.

    Put simply, they use intimidation tactics designed to break the limited chances we have to share, learn and reflect together.

    Nisa Nashim members at St. Johns Wood Church (Picture: Yakir Zur (c))

    All types of attack come from a position of fear.

    For many Jews (certainly not all), there is unfortunately already a level of mistrust and anxiety about engaging particularly with Muslim neighbours.

    For many Muslims (certainly not all), there is a fear of association with Jewish people – particularly if there is a perceived link to Israel – and therefore a worry about being stigmatised in turn.

    It’s easy to mock interfaith work as sipping cups of tea and sharing samosas, but the truth is that it’s a long graft.

    To be frank, I don’t need more friends in my busy life – my social life isn’t in need of a boost.

    Building relationships with people I might only know from afar (Muslim, Christian, Sikh, Hindu or other) is hard work and time consuming, as well as endlessly joyful and fascinating.

    But, history shows us that only by putting in the hours over decades can we make a difference.

    Take Northern Ireland, where years of division and a lack of spaces to exchange with other groups gradually gave way to a better, more peaceful future.

    The peace process required the courage for people to deal with those who they might have deemed, for whatever reason, ‘unpalatable’.

    In this case, like with Nisa-Nashim, it was also characterised by a deep level of involvement by women.

    Those lessons are more valuable to us now than ever.

    I am deeply worried about where this intimidation will lead.

    I know of many people in the interfaith space who have simply had enough of dealing with the constant pushback from all sides and are now tragically walking away from dialogue. Not only direct participants, but funders of our work who we rely on in an already precarious landscape (made one step worse with Iranian intervention this week).

    We need more people, not less, to come to the table.

    As we pass Easter and Ramadan, and move through Eid rapidly to Vaisakhi and Passover, the opportunities to connect are endless.

    I’m a relentless optimist and, as I prepare for my interfaith Passover seder meal, I believe that change is in our own hands – indeed round our own dining room tables.

    This article was first published by Jewish News (18/04/2024).

    Laura Marks is the co-founder of Nisa-Nashim, the UK’s Jewish and Muslim Women’s network.

    She founded Mitzvah Day – the UK’s largest faith-led day of social action, in 2005. Laura is Chair of Trustees for Holocaust Memorial Day Trust.

    This post was originally published on Voice of Salam.

  • Interfaith and intercultural relationships can bring individuals and different families and communities together. However, there is sometimes the potential for conflict when navigating difference.

    There is also the risk of potential social isolation from either or both of the couple’s communities, and of wider conflict within families.

    This is often brought about by fear of difference, notions of “dishonour” and anxieties around loss of cultural or religious heritage. In some communities, marrying outside one’s faith can be a real taboo.

    However, despite the challenges, interfaith and intercultural relationships are becoming more common in England and Wales.

    In 90% of cases of interfaith marriage, one spouse is Christian. With matches not involving a Christian partner however, cases of mixed marriage have stayed relatively the same across generations – except amongst “well educated” religious minorities where cases have halved.

    Research on the topic has shown that mixed marriage is more common for:

    • Particular ethnic groups (especially Arabs)
    • People born outside the UK
    • Younger generations
    • People with higher levels of education

    Over the pond in the USA, similar trends appear. In fact, 7 out of every 10 people marry someone from the same faith tradition. However, in comparison to previous generations, marrying someone of the same faith background seems to be less important than it was several decades ago.

    Likewise, with intercultural relationships, nearly 1 in 10 people (9%, 2.3 million people) in the last census in England and Wales who were living together as a couple were in an inter-ethnic relationship.

    This marked an increase from 7% in the previous census 10 years before. Research found that people of mixed ethnic heritage were the most likely (85% of cases) to be in an inter-ethnic relationship.

    In the USA, intercultural marriage is also increasing, where data from 2015 revealed that 10% of all married people (11 million) are in an interethnic relationship.

    So, given the place of such relationships, and the potential for conflict, how can we manage conflict and diversity in interfaith and intercultural relationships?

    Dialogue: preventing and mediating conflict

    Dialogue is a powerful tool to overcome conflict. But what exactly is it?

    Two monologues do not make a dialogue.” (Jeff Daly)

    Never a truer word said!

    Dialogue isn’t simply “talking” or listening to simply speak your turn.

    It’s instead a collaborative, introspective process where two or more people communicate their interests, needs and feelings in a safe space and actively, empathetically and compassionately listen to “the other” (KAICIID, 2022). 

    In this safe space, people are free to air assumptions and views, as they try to break down misconceptions, stereotypes and assumptions to understand the other person(s) (KAICIID, 2022).

    Through active compassionate listening we can break down assumptions, clarify misconceptions and understanding to build a sense of unity and work towards a common understanding and find new solutions to existing problems/conflict (KAICIID, 2022).

    As such, dialogue is most definitely not:

    • Debate: we’re not here to “convince” the other person of our view
    • Advocacy: we’re not here to push a certain agenda but to share experiences and build solutions
    • Negotiation: whilst compromise is almost inevitable, the views of all participants are respected and needs of everyone taken into account – it’s the process that builds the outcome

    Rather than debating a point, advocating for a specific agenda, dialogue instead promotes a culture of:

    • Respecting difference and celebrating diversity
    • Coexistence, cooperation and understanding
    • Empathy, cooperation and engagement
    • Respect, open communication and acknowledging/accepting different views

    Dialogue is therefore a powerful means to build relationships, raise awareness and understanding of problems and resolve conflict.

    Source: KAICIID (2022) “Interreligious Dialogue Resource Guide”, International Fellows Programme

    For interfaith and intercultural couples, dialogue can critically:

    • Highlight and address any stigma faced as a couple
    • Navigate conflict and manage difference in a relationship, family and wider community
    • Teach the importance of respecting diversity and dialogue as a means of open, transparent communication

    When sharing diverse traditions together, dialogue helps to therefore create harmonious hybrid spaces.

    To look at dialogue in action, we reached out to various couples and looked at their experiences of navigating conflict and managing difference based on their different religious/cultural affiliations in their relationship, family and wider community through dialogue.

    Here’s what they had to say!


    George and Amanda: dialoguing through shared experience

    George and Amanda live in Leicestershire (UK). George belongs to the Bahá’í faith and is Scottish. Amanda is atheist and English.

    The couple have been married for four years and both have children from previous marriages.

    Summary of findings:

    Respect, curiosity and understanding enable dialogue and prevent conflict

    Shared experiences enhance understanding and provide opportunities for dialogue.

    Bahá’ís for example are committed to interfaith work, so George and Amanda attend many events hosted by other faith communities and dialogue about their experiences as a couple of mixed faith background together

    Gender segregation (not a Bahá’í practice) poses barriers for dialogue

    In this case, the barrier was faced by a mixed-sex couple. Not being able to sit together at external events can mean that experiences and avenues for dialogue are restricted

    Discovering shared values – not necessarily theological – is important as it allows for greater understanding and bonding

    For example, whilst Amanda’s atheist position means she doesn’t buy into the theological aspects of the Bahá’í faith, she’s aligned with the majority of the social teachings and so Amanda and George have discovered they have a lot in common

    Dialogue isn’t about trying to “convince” the other person of one’s beliefs

    Proselytising is not a value of shared dialogue. As Bahá’ís are expressly forbidden in their own teachings to try and “convert” anyone, Amanda is comfortable taking part in many Bahá’í activities and events without feeling any pressure to change her views and beliefs.

    George likewise doesn’t feel under pressure to try and make Amanda conform to what he believes or practices. This allows for genuine learning and respect of diversity

    We mustn’t assume that interfaith relationships are more difficult to manage than intercultural ones

    Each experience, sense of identity and relationship is unique!

    George and Amanda feel that there’s sometimes more difference in being a Scottish-English couple than a couple of mixed faith background.

    We should not assume anything!


    Thao and Martin: building understanding through dialogue

    Thao and Martin live in Stoke-on-Trent (UK). Thao is Vietnamese and Buddhist, whilst Martin is English and an agnostic/atheist.

    The couple have been together for five years and both have children from previous relationships.

    Summary of findings:

    Dialogue is useful for overcoming language and cultural barriers and building understanding

    This can range from everyday habits around food to religious practices, behaviours and norms. The understanding developed through such dialogue allows for respect and sensitivity of the other’s needs, thoughts and behaviours when helps prevent and overcome conflict.

    With Thao and Martin for example, dialogue has helped them to understand each other’s diverse food tastes (including the contested issue of eating dog meat)

    Understanding and respect through dialogue helps couples come to mutual agreements

    This in term helps to create/determine safe hybrid spaces where both people in the relationship are free to live their religious beliefs and maintain cultural practices.

    For example, Thao is happy with the Buddhist altar in her home and Martin understands the practices around respecting this sacred space.

    When it comes to a range of topics such as faith and food, dialogue is also crucial in allowing couples to navigate the identities, needs and roles of blended families and the diverse identities of their children (including stepchildren in the case of Thao and Martin)

    The role of dialogue is never complete

    A relationship requires ongoing learning and discovery together.

    Acknowledging that as a couple, dialogue as ongoing practice is healthy and necessary – as Thao and Martin have done – has enabled the couple to continue their dialogue journey together, to not only resolve but crucially prevent future conflict

    A little bit of humour can go a long way!

    Whether dealing with heavy complex issues or more lighthearted themes that both require practical navigation, humour allows a couple to lighten the mood, reflect and focus on the role of dialogue – to resolve and prevent conflict – and not to argue.

    Dialogue is a healthy way to address conflict, arguing is not.

    Humour allows a couple to calm a situation before it heads towards an argument and allow both people time to pause and reflect  


    Karen and Martin: agreeing to disagree

    Summary of findings:

    Dialogue isn’t about ending up with the same views!

    It’s productive and healthy to agree to disagree.

    In the case of Karen and Martin, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one area where (through dialogue) they have “agreed to disagree”. This prevents conflict around a complex issue and enables the couple to instead focus on their daily lives together.

    No two people can ever agree on everything and so by dialoguing and coming to an agreement to “disagree” after understanding the other person, a couple can resolve conflict. Understanding the other is key, not agreeing!

    Again: a little humour goes a long way to diffuse conflict

    Not only does humour lighten the mood, it also enables the couple time to pause and reflect.

    This enables them to know when/how to engage/disengage to manage conflict, for example making a light-hearted joke can clear the air and allow the couple to move on, whilst in other cases ongoing dialogue may be required if there is still a lack of understanding between the two.

    More widely, Karen and Martin have found this useful when dealing with outside criticism/prejudice.

    Knowing yourself can provide a confidence of self which enables you to know your identity, feelings and views

    Such self-awareness in turn aids dialogue – not just as a couple, but also when engaging with friends and family.

    Potential conflict arose from members of the family/wider community in the case of Karen and Martin, knew their beliefs, wants and needs as a pair, the couple can dialogue as a united unit with their families to prevent and resolve conflict

    Don’t assume that the potential for conflict will be within the couple itself

    Family and wider communities may also have views which can benefit from dialogue to prevent, diffuse and resolve conflict.

    Karen and Martin found that most of the issues around their mixed faith relationship were related to people outside of the direct relationship.

    It’s therefore important to consider where and who with dialogue is needed as a mixed couple outside, not just within, the relationship itself


    Getting started: dialogue “do”s and “don’t”s

    Remember: dialogue isn’t always easy but it’s a powerful tool.

    To start, here are 10 key principles to guide you through the process:

    1. Establish a safe space: ensure people feel “safe” to express their views. A safe space is where difference is appreciated, confidentiality is key and there is a moderator present to guide the conversation if required

    2. Agree the main purpose is to learn: dialogue isn’t about debating or “convincing” the other person about your views, it’s about learning about “the other”

    3. Use appropriate communication skills: speak clearly and politely and do not interrupt or dominate the conversation!

    4. Set ground rules: establish what the red lines are and stick to the rules – this will avoid stepping into what’s known as the “danger zone” and provide consistency

    5. Take risks: be honest, express your feelings, share your personal experiences (remember: you speak only for yourself) and confront perceptions

    6. Remember that the relationship comes first: whatever happens remember that the aim of the dialogue process is to build understanding and cohesive relationships

    7. Do not avoid difficult issues: the further you go, the more you’ll achieve. Aim for sustainable change – which is never easy but well worth the time and effort!

    8. Gradually address the difficult questions and gradually depart from them: address challenging issues step-by-step to ease into the issue. Likewise, do not dwell on them

    9. Expect to be changed: through empathetic listening you’ll learn about others’ views and experiences. Don’t come to the dialogue with generalisations about identity and be open to change

    10. Bring the change to others: live the change you see, take on board what you’ve learnt to promote unity and peace!

    Source: KAICIID (2022) “Interreligious Dialogue Resource Guide”, International Fellows Programme

    Through dialogue, interfaith and interfaith unity is possible. So, why not give it a go!

    As so beautifully said: “The shining spark of truth cometh forth only after the clash of differing opinions” (‘Abdu’l-Bahá).

    Credits and thanks:

    KAICIID (2022) “Interreligious Dialogue Resource Guide”, International Fellows Programme

    Thank you to all participating couples, the KAICIID team and to Matthew Pointon.

    This article has been supported for publication as a part of the KAICIID Fellows Programme, which aims to provide opportunities for individuals to engage in research and scholarship in interreligious dialogue and related areas as part of their professional development and learning. The work undertaken has been conducted by external actors.

    The views, opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in the article are strictly those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the views of the International Dialogue Centre (KAICIID) or its Member States.

    The International Dialogue Centre (KAICIID) does not guarantee the accuracy of the data included in this article neither the International Dialogue Centre (KAICIID) nor its Member States will accept any liability in connection with these data.

    This post was originally published on Voice of Salam.