Category: Labor

  • Nearly five weeks into the UAW’s historic Stand Up Strike, there are just under 34,000 Big Three auto workers on strike in assembly plants and parts depots across the country. The latest escalation came on Wednesday, Oct. 11, when the union called on 8,700 Ford workers at the Kentucky Truck Plant in Louisville, Kentucky, to walk off the job. 

    For this episode, we’re bringing you a UAW strike update. You’ll hear from two guests: Chris Budnick and Lisa Xu. Chris is a striking Ford worker at the Kentucky Truck Plant and the co-chair of Unite All Workers for Democracy (UAWD). Lisa is an organizer at the labor movement publication and organizing project Labor Notes, and she was previously an organizer with UAWD. 

    Chris and Lisa bring us up to speed on the strike escalations, discuss how non-striking auto workers are participating in the Stand Up, and unpack the massive concession made by General Motors last week – the folding of their battery plants into the UAW’s master contract with the company. 

    Finally, we take a step back to reflect on the Stand Up Strike overall. We take stock not just on what was won contractually so far, but also on how far the union has come in the past year, and where it’s going. 

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    Hosted by Teddy Ostrow
    Edited by Teddy Ostrow
    Produced by NYGP & Ruby Walsh, in partnership with In These Times & The Real News
    Music by Casey Gallagher
    Cover art by Devlin Claro Resetar


    Transcript

    The following is a rushed transcript and may contain errors. A proofread version will be made available as soon as possible.

    Lisa Xu: class warfare has been going on for a long time. It’s just that the working class needs to waken to the fact that, you know, capital has been waging class warfare against the working class, for decades and has sort of quelled, I think, a lot of the militancy and, you know, the ability to fight back.

    And, you know, I think what’s been so amazing is seeing, everyone, including workers around the world kind of taking note of what’s happening in the UAW and seeing, you know, this Such, such an important historical union, kind of sees the reins and say, you know, this is not a one sided class, struggle.

    Chris Budnick: it’s a bottom up approach at this point. now that we have a good start of, we have good leadership at the top to encourage us and engage us and educate us to do so. and from the bottom up and that’s where, you know, all these, you know, building.

    militancy in the union, to constantly fight, a lot harder, with the, with these companies and, you know, and the hope is that it’s going to really build, our union and the labor movement. To, to heights we’ve never seen before

    Teddy: Hello my name is Teddy Ostrow. Welcome to the Upsurge, a podcast about the future of the American labor movement.

    This podcast covers the renewed militancy of the United Auto Workers, the legendary union that right now, for the first time in its history, is striking each of the Big Three automakers at once. That’s Ford, General Motors, and Stellantis, the owner of Chrysler, Jeep and other brands. 

    The Upsurge is produced in partnership with In These Times and The Real News Network. Both are nonprofit media organizations that cover the labor movement closely. Check them out at inthesetimes.com and therealnews.com where you can also find an archive of all our past episodes.

    And quick reminder: This is a listener-supported podcast. So please, if you want it to keep going, head on over to patreon.com/upsurgepod and become a monthly contributor today. You can find a link in the description. We can’t do this without you. 

    A lot has happened since our last episode, and there’s a lot more that could happen before this strike is done. So, in this episode we’re bringing you a UAW Stand Up Strike update with two excellent guests. 

    It’s not completely necessary, but if you haven’t already, check out Episode 14 and 15 for more context on the UAW strike. There’s definitely a little more assumed knowledge in this episode.

    We’re going to speed along to the interview, but just a quick set up: Right now, there are just under 34,000 Big Three Auto Workers on strike in assembly plants and parts depots across the country. 

    The latest escalation came on Wednesday, October 11. The UAW called on 8,700 Ford workers at the highly profitable Kentucky Truck Plant in Louisville, Kentucky, to walk off the job. 

    Reportedly, this came after Ford refused to improve its economic offer in bargaining. Rather than waiting till Friday to announce the new strike targets, as they’ve done in recent, UAW President Shawn Fain and the international initiated what appears to be a new phase of the Stand Up Strike. Escalations, or new calls for standing up, won’t be relegated to a routine Friday announcement, but rather, they could come at any time. 

    Anyway, I talked about this and more with my two guests, Chris Budnick and Lisa Xu. 

    Chris Budnick is a Ford worker of 11 years. He’s originally from Michigan but has moved around and ended up at the now-on-strike Kentucky Truck Plant. He’s also co-chair of the union reform caucus Unite All Workers for Democracy, or UAWD. Lisa Xu is an organizer at the labor movement publication and organizing project Labor Notes, and she was previously an organizer with UAWD. 

    Chris and Lisa helped bring us up to date as far as the strike escalations, but we also talked about how non-striking Auto Workers are participating in the Stand Up, as well as the truly huge concession made by GM related to its electrical vehicle operations. After the UAW threatened to strike its most profitable facility in Arlington, Texas, General Motors conceded to folding its battery plants, which are legally separate from its other operations, into the UAW’s master contract with the company. We’ll talk about why that is such a big deal. 

    And finally, we also took a step back to reflect on the Stand Up Strike overall. We took stock not just on what was won contractually, but also on how far the union has come in the past year, and where its going. 

    Teddy Ostrow: [00:00:00] Chris Budnick and Lisa Xu welcome to the upsurge. 

    Lisa Xu: Thanks

    Lisa Xu: for having 

    Chris Budnick: us. Yeah. Thank you for having us. 

    Teddy Ostrow: To begin. Can you guys just tell listeners a little bit about yourselves? Chris, we can start with you. Yeah. Um, 

    Chris Budnick: well, I’ve, been a, uh, UAW member for 11 years come this November. I’ve been at 4 different plants originally from Michigan and, uh, I’ve been working for Ford, but I finally settled down here in, Louisville, Kentucky at Local 862, at the Kentucky Truck Plant and, I’m also.

    Chris Budnick: Very active and other areas, with, unite all workers for democracy, co chair on that steering committee that. So that’s just a little bit about me. 

    Lisa Xu: so, I was also a UAW member, I was a member of the Harvard Graduate Students Union and organized for the local for a few years, and then [00:01:00] I was hired as the first staff organizer for UAWD, which is where I got to know Chris, and now I work for Labor Notes as an organizer.

    Teddy Ostrow: Great, thank you guys so much for those introductions. so the last episode of the upsurge left off shortly after the 38 GM and Stellantis parts distribution centers, or PDCs as they’re called, the 38 of them across the United States were called to stand up, since then, 3 more facilities, I believe, have joined the stand up strike.

    Teddy Ostrow: And I like to start with the most recent escalation and then we can go backwards and work our way to the present. So, Chris, I have a kind of packed question for you. we’re speaking on October 16th. As of October 11th, you have been on strike at your facility, Ford’s Kentucky truck plant. Can you give us, a 360 of that plant perhaps and explain why it’s so significant you guys have joined the fight?

    Teddy Ostrow: [00:02:00] what this means is an escalation. Maybe we can start with the basics of the plant. For example, you know. What do you even build? And then we can move on to, you know, why do you think the UAW chose to strike the facility? What’s so significant about it to Ford?

    Teddy Ostrow: And also, please tell us about the feelings, the energy of the membership of you in the plant leading up to the strike, as well as, you know. What it was like when it was finally called and how it’s been on the picket line since they went up. 

    Chris Budnick: Yeah, sure. that, that is a lot of questions. but yeah, absolutely.

    Chris Budnick: yeah. KTP, you know, once I hired in, you know, they always, the Ford always, you know, bragged about how much, Money they make, So I’ll get into a little bit of that, but, Kentucky truck plant, they make the, F series super duty. That’s like the F two 50 to that five 50, along with the Ford expedition and the Ford navigator.

    Chris Budnick: the KTP plant [00:03:00] produces a truck every 37 seconds. And one of those things they’ve told us just in orientation when we first got there. Is that, well, back in 2016, they said $15,000 in profit per vehicle that’s produced coming out of there. And now it’s gone up to like at least $18,000 per truck. And that’s every 37 seconds.

    Chris Budnick: and they also brag about, how the Kentucky truck plant makes over half of Ford’s revenue, in North America. Which is pretty huge, but yeah, obviously we can see how much this plant is important to forward to keep it running, and to be able to use that in an escalating strike.

    Chris Budnick: is a hell of a tool to use. so, you know, leading up to the strike, I myself was, doing 10 minute meetings with folks in my department. you know, like I was running four different meetings at one point for a few weeks, like with skilled trades and the [00:04:00] forklift drivers, repair guys. and then just the regular production, just to talk about what are we fighting for, and give them updates, what’s going on and get the communication started even from my local to them, by using our local UAW 862 app we have and signing up, signing those pledge cards.

    Chris Budnick: you know, just really just educating and informing folks and just, and even just have a place to talk about something right before our shift starts. And I typically did it on a Wednesday, and to promote, to do a red shirt Wednesday in solidarity, to build up and to try to put as much pressure as we could on the company and on management, leading up.

    Chris Budnick: To the deadline of the, of the contract, then my local also, and I helped a little bit with this with, doing practice pickets. We held 2 practice pickets and, we did a rally, after the [00:05:00] deadline. And, you know, and I’ll tell you you could see it just in the 10 minute meetings I did, even though they’re kind of small.

    Chris Budnick: I mean, it. It’d be, I would have an attendance of, uh, maybe anywhere from 12 to 26, members, each meeting, you know, so leading up to it, you know, I was getting folks to chant, you know, who are we, UAW, And everyone was super excited once the deadline hit and then once we found out we’re doing this strategic, stand up strike where only certain plants are going out, you know, a lot of energy kind of dropped a little.

    Chris Budnick: But I continued the 10 minute meetings and tried to keep, folks, you know, energized about it. and also educated on, I wasn’t even educated on it. I had to listen to that video UAW put out by the lawyer about how to work on an expired contract. What does this even mean? So it’s a lot of new stuff we’re learning.

    Chris Budnick: as we’re going, and, I tell you,we’ve [00:06:00] only been able to escalate this contract campaign three months before the deadline and that is a very short amount of time and I used U P Ss 

    Chris Budnick: Leading up to a possible strike, right? And their contract campaign. I use them as an example all the time because we have the world headquarters in Louisville, local 89 teamsters and we visited their practice pickets. And I mean, but I use them as an example to folks in my plant to just let them know, like, how much, they escalated.

    Chris Budnick: From July of 2022, all the way to July 2023 of their contract expiration, and they got to use all their tools, and their toolbox. And, well, they threatened that last tool of a strike and they got a historic contract. so I had to explain to folks that, you know, this strategy. And trust me, I was kind of mad too.

    Chris Budnick: I was hoping all three, everyone’s [00:07:00] going to go out, me personally, but after thinking it through and talking to a few people, I realized, we have a lot of tools left because we only got to do a contract campaign for three months or less. So we have a lot of tools to use and we need to use it. And we have a lot of maneuvering we can do with the big three and all these plans we have.

    Chris Budnick: So, that kind of got folks a little more energized but there’s, you know, there’s always not everyone, you can’t keep everyone happy and energetic about, you know, I think it was what, four weeks. Essentially we waited almost four weeks until we were called out. 

    Chris Budnick: we were called out on October 11th at like 5 38 PM, or at least my local president got a call then. I don’t know exactly. I didn’t get out of the plant until, 6 30 ish. And uh, yeah, that feeling was crazy. like I just, that, [00:08:00] that butterfly feeling in the stomach and just like getting all shaky or whatever.

    Chris Budnick: And I just get out there and the road is just completely packed full of cars, you know, you have 3, 000 typically in a shift and so 3, 000 cars are all out in the road. but I walked down. See, where the picket lines are, see if there’s, you know, anyone doing anything, cause it was kind of last minute.

    Chris Budnick: it was a lot different than getting the two hour, notice. and, I ran into my local president and he gave me some signs and he’s like, I need you to go out to this special location, which was a rail yard, ran by the Teamsters. And I just want to make sure that if they see picketers there.

    Chris Budnick: They’re going to turn around and not pick up any trucks and get out of there. So, yeah, I mean, I think the energy is still pretty, it’s leveled out. you know, and we’ll, you know, we’ll see what, what happens. I mean, it’s, it’s fairly new and. But we can [00:09:00] probably, if you have any other questions I can answer.

    Chris Budnick: I hope I kind of covered your packed question there. Yeah, 

    Teddy Ostrow: no, I asked a lot of you. so thank you. You did a great job. I mean, one thing I’m curious about is, you mentioned going to visit the Teamster picket lines. have you seen Teamsters visiting you guys? Like, I’m just curious about the community support given just how.

    Teddy Ostrow: Huge of a plant. This is how important it is. And also just the surprise nature of it compared to previous, escalations that were, I mean, they were surprises then too, but there was every Friday, you know, two hours notice, as you said, and sort of an expectation that somewhere in the country, there will be, you know, folks standing up, but you guys.

    Teddy Ostrow: Like smack dab in the middle of the week, Wednesday, all of a sudden it’s like, Oh, you’re going out. Um, and I’m, I’m curious, you know, how community support has been, and the energy sort of surrounding you guys. 

    Chris Budnick: Yeah. yeah, the Teamsters. And that’s one thing I forgot as I was walking out. And I walked down [00:10:00] through all the gates and I ran into my president.

    Chris Budnick: I happened to run into the, organizer for local 89 Teamsters and also the communications director. they’re already out there with cameras and just helping out in any way they could just to get some signs and they’re very excited and they’re to support us, 100%, even when I was on my picket duty.

    Chris Budnick: the special one, we had some teamsters come out and just like, Hey, did anyone in cross anybody crossed the line? I’m like, Nope, I haven’t seen anyone yet. Or no one’s, it’s just some supervisors leave and they locked up the gate. that’s another thing I kind of want to throw out there is, you know, we have 11 picket lines with about 12.

    Chris Budnick: picketers at each one doing 4 hour shifts, you know, and so that’s about, that’s over 700, picketers a day and, we have 80 and so each week we can basically I have 5, 000 members on the picket line [00:11:00] and,that still leaves about 3, 700 or 4, 000, I think.

    Chris Budnick: Members that so there’s a lot of folks that are have a high anxiety of wanting to get out to the picket line. So they can get a strike check and all that. but going back to community support, The community. Well, there’s this New York pizza place. the very first day donated a bunch of pizzas.

    Chris Budnick: I got to try some of it. I used to go there for lunch here. They’re, real good pizza. And then also a big, pizza company most recently came out, called Bear Nose in Louisville. And they, I think they,They donated 60 pizzas, which is really cool.

    Chris Budnick: And then, along with, I think Bowling Green, Kentucky, I think it’s, I forgot their local number, 2164. they make the Corvette. They came up this weekend in support. I think they brought some supplies. And then I heard, [00:12:00] Spring Hill, Tennessee, the GM plant there, 18, 1853. I think their local is, they’re coming up this week.

    Chris Budnick: So, I mean, we have, uh. Yeah, I mean, a lot of, you know, union support and, I think the community support is slowly building up. When it comes, there’s like a small grocery store, that offers like 10 percent off to striking workers, all you have to do is show them your badge, you know, so that’s little by little, we’re getting, some more support, 

    Teddy Ostrow: I’m happy to hear that. It’s sort of, Building momentum moving on. I wanted to go to you, Lisa, just you’ve been doing excellent reporting on the strike for labor notes. And Chris just laid out this most recent escalation, but can you outline for us the strike overall from the.

    Teddy Ostrow: PDC standups to now, I’m starting with the PDCs cause that’s, where I left off on the upsurge last time. but also [00:13:00] specifically on the PDCs, you know, I want to give you space to elaborate on that as well, because I know you’ve dug into them a little bit and you’re reporting, you know, what the purpose was and the significance of that specific escalation, but then please, bring us up to the present.

    Lisa Xu: Yeah, definitely. So let me try to. Give the overview. So, on the first day of the strike, September 15th, you know, we had three assembly plants walk out. the next week, parts distribution centers, 38 of them across GM and Celantis, were taken out and Ford was spared. and then the following week, two assembly plants, one at Ford and one at GM.

    Lisa Xu: came out, and Philantis was spared, and then, the next week, no escalations. we had a big win from GM, which I think we’ll talk about, later. And then, you know, following week, Chris’s plant, Kentucky truck plant was brought out. so, in the second week, You know, I think, we saw this major [00:14:00] escalation with, the parts distribution centers being brought out because these are, big profit centers for the big three.

    Lisa Xu: so, in, the article I wrote for labor notes, I talked about how, the big three make a ton of money off of, uh, selling spare parts to dealerships. you know, I think a lot of people know, you know, when they have to like go to your dealership to, for some replacement part, the dealership, marks up that part, but the big three, also, makes a huge markup, on those parts as well.

    Lisa Xu: So for those, warehouses to shut down,It, has an immediate impact, on their profits. and you know, another really, important aspect of this escalation, I think, is that unlike the assembly plans, which tend to be more concentrated in the Midwest and a few other parts of the country, the parts distribution centers are spread out all across the country.

    Lisa Xu: there, you can see this on a map. and some of them, many of them are near [00:15:00] big urban. centers. So it’s allowed, it’s brought the strike to many more, Americans. And it’s also a way for people who support the workers to come out to the picket line if they don’t, you know, live near a big plant, in Detroit or the Midwest.

    Lisa Xu: so those are some of the, I think aspects of like why this escalation the second week was so significant. 

    Teddy Ostrow: totally. And just to emphasize the part you mentioned about kind of bringing the picket lines to a broader swath of people around the country.

    Teddy Ostrow: I participated in a canvassing of a dealership here in New York city where I am. And it was interesting to talk to people just walking by the dealership, that. You know, they said, Oh, auto workers are just in, in Michigan, right? They’re just in Ohio. And I said, no, they’re actually, they’re 45 minutes outside of New York.

    Teddy Ostrow: You know, they’re in these various different places and you can totally [00:16:00] go out and show your support, show your solidarity, around the country. And I think that’s an important thing to emphasize and also a very smart kind of strategic. Decision, in addition to obviously hitting the companies where they hurt, you know, and their profits, I think, you know, one of the most inspiring elements I’ve seen of this strike is what folks who are technically not out yet, um, have been doing to support their union family who are,

    Teddy Ostrow: I’m talking about rallies, you know, practice pickets, these convoys we are seeing where, you know. Line of Chrysler’s or Jeeps, um, circle the plants, but in particular, something I’m interested in is working to rule as it’s called, Chris, you only just joined the strike. So you’ve participated in some of these actions and Lisa, labor notes has been among the few outlets actually covering.

    Teddy Ostrow: This element of the strike. Can you both tell me about some of these actions by non [00:17:00] strikers right now? what are their purpose? you know what? What does it mean that the UAW President Sean Fain has been explicitly calling on rank and file to join in in this way? You know, even though you’re not joining in on the literal strike, you are participating in the stand up in your own way, you know, with or without the approval of local leaderships.

    Chris Budnick: I can start. yeah, I mean, I mean, ideally it’s good to kind of build these escalations of work to rule and, and, and like no volunteer overtime, you know, before the contract expiration. But, if you can, to some degree, but like I said, we didn’t really have that time.

    Chris Budnick: and working on expired contract, we got to make sure. Yeah. that nothing is changing. Nothing is changing the status quo. So that, you know, and if management does it, then it becomes an unfair labor practice and to [00:18:00] report that to the, so that’s 1 of the 1 of the actions you can take while you’re concurrently.

    Chris Budnick: Not on strike and working on an expired agreement. but I mean, from my personal experience, no, over no voluntary overtime, I was offered to literally the weekend before our strike, to work Sunday and Monday. So that would have been a double time day and a time and a half day. And it was very.

    Chris Budnick: Tempting, but we all stood together and said, no, and it didn’t happen, which was really cool to see, work to rule. That’s something that’s going to have to be educated or, you know, with the. And practiced and because there’s a lot of, ramifications for doing, you know, from management when you’re work to rule.

    Teddy Ostrow: Can you explain that a little bit just for listeners, educate us a little bit actually on what that means and why that’s significant. [00:19:00] 

    Chris Budnick: So yeah, work to rule the way I understand it is,we are given. An operating instruction sheet, we call ’em oiss at ford. other plants or GM and Chrysler, call it, or STIs call it differently.

    Chris Budnick: but yeah, I mean, you work to exactly what your instruction sheet says, which are essentially made by an engineer. and, but you work at a normal. You know, pace while working to the rule to the exact instructions. and, but part of that is also a job safety assessment. they call them JSA’s at Ford.

    Chris Budnick: So, if you’re not working to rule with that, like, if you put your safety glasses on your head, but you’re working to rule at the same time, you’re going to get, you know, you’re going to get disciplined for safety. So that’s going to be like a huge, so, and that, and when it’s just, if it’s just one [00:20:00] person doing it.

    Chris Budnick: On the line, it can create a lot of issues, you know, so there has to be a lot of solidarity and a lot of teamwork to and it’s also a way to make sure, you know, that’s something we need to start doing just to make sure that our jobs aren’t overloaded in the plant, by working to rule and because anyone that’s kind of going above and beyond what they’re You know, that’s just more favors to the company and then they end up adding more work because you’re getting it done faster than the previous worker, that type of thing.

    Chris Budnick: So, I mean, it’s something that has to be in practice and educated to the membership. And it’s, it’s kind of been lost over the last, you know, since tier 2 has been introduced into the contracts in 2007. it kind of, yeah, it kind of got lost there because of that division and the recession and everything.

    Chris Budnick: from what I know, like I said, I only have 11 [00:21:00] years in, so I hired in afterwards, but from what the stories I’ve been told in the past, and my father works there. At Ford, you know, for about 30 years now that, yeah, I mean, that’s, there’s. Used to be a lot of militancy on the shop floor and, that’s kind of been lost over these contracts tier two, you know, divide and conquer contracts.

    Chris Budnick: We’ve had 

    Teddy Ostrow: right. And it seems like you guys are sort of like on the mission right now to sort of build that back up. And especially through your caucus, that seems to be the case. But just to clarify something for folks who may not. Quite understand the logical connection here. It’s, but we’re working to rule is important because oftentimes, at all of our jobs,at, uh, UAW, um, you know, big three plant folks in order to do the job, you know, you have to kind of not work to rule, go above and beyond, just to get it done.

    Teddy Ostrow: So when you work to [00:22:00] rule, it actually. Times can be an effective slowdown for the company and that’s contributing to the economic damage to the company of it. Did I get that right? Chris? I’m I’m I’m sort of that’s how I understand it. At least. Yeah. 

    Chris Budnick: Yeah. That’s I mean, it sounds about right. And I’m still, being educated on it myself and I’ve, Never really been able to experience it, too much.

    Chris Budnick: I mean, I sure as hell threatened it. To a degree, in a different context. but, yeah. 

    Teddy Ostrow: I can imagine you have, however, on the other end, have been asked to perform not to rule. To be asked to do more than what’s, I guess, contractually, or, you know, technically instructed of you. Yeah. Lisa, did you want to speak on this as well?

    Teddy Ostrow: This sort of non strikers participating in the stand ups? 

    Lisa Xu: Yeah, so I think, you know, we’ve covered kind of the range of activity from sort of [00:23:00] like stuff you would See and contract campaigns that other unions have run, like, you know, the practice pickets, the red shirt Wednesdays, the 10 minute meetings.

    Lisa Xu: But like, this is stuff, you know, the UAW has not done in. I’m not sure anyone knows how many years. so, so that on its own is very cool. And then, all the work to rule stuff we discussed. So, If people want to hear more examples, they should read,this article that my coworker Keith Brower Brown, who’s also a former UAW member, published in Labor Notes, and, there are a lot more examples in there about how, you know, like, you know, you don’t always have to Just what examples of, you know, not making it easier for the boss, right?

    Lisa Xu: Not doing favors for the boss. and, you know, one thing you mentioned, Teddy is Sean Fain is asking workers to do this and, you know, it’s to, put more pressure on the companies now for sure. But I think like the [00:24:00] strike, it’s also about kind of rebuilding the life of the union on the shop floor.

    Lisa Xu: you know, that culture of militancy and organization that Chris mentioned that’s been lost, to, so to see that happening across all the plants, whether or not they’re on strike is just really amazing. And I definitely wish, you know, more of the media was covering it as well. And it’s being supported by you.

    Lisa Xu: A. W. D. so that’s another important thing to know as 

    Teddy Ostrow: well. Right. Yeah. People should definitely go read that article because I mean, some of them are just,I kind of laughed at some of them,in, sort of support of the workers, like, you know, the fact that I think, some folks I’m forgetting exactly where it was, but they use bikes, uh, bicycles in order to like, kind of traverse the plant because it’s.

    Teddy Ostrow: These are big facilities, right? And you need to get somewhere quickly. You’d get hop on a bicycle. There’s no contractual, you know, a requirement to do your job faster, you know, so folks are just walking instead, adding 15 minutes [00:25:00] to like sort of this process that would otherwise go faster.

    Teddy Ostrow: And so I think that was like a pretty funny, but also really wonderful example of this sort of, you know, Hey, we’re not going to make this easy for you guys, even though we’re. even though we’re not striking right now,so moving on, I think, you know, I know there isn’t that much information about this right now.

    Teddy Ostrow: but there’s really no way we can, we can’t touch on what appears to be the biggest concession. By a big three automaker to date, and that is GM’s promise to fold in their battery plants, their electric battery plants into the UAW’s master contract with the company. And listeners probably have heard about this potentially, help us understand why this is being heralded as such an enormous.

    Teddy Ostrow: Breakthrough, you know, what does this mean for the workers for the union the industry? the whole nine yards I want to hear from both of you, but maybe we can start with you first lisa. [00:26:00] 

    Lisa Xu: Yeah, so Like you said, I don’t think we have Many more details and then what you described bit. So, the reason why this is significant is because GM and Solantis and Ford formed these joint ventures With non union companies to produce batteries in the u.

    Lisa Xu: s. And they did that specifically To find this legal loophole through which they wouldn’t have to be covered by the UAW’s master agreement With the three companies. So for GM now to fold and say, you know, the thing which we told you was. Absolutely not possible. It’s now possible now that you’re threatening to strike us.

    Lisa Xu: it’s pretty amazing. so previously, you know, with the battery plants not being under the master agreement, what that means is that the UAW has to individually unionize each plant. It has to go in and hold union [00:27:00] elections, one by one and then bargain contracts one by one.

    Lisa Xu: Thank you. So that severely just disadvantages workers, at those plants. so now that they’re under the master agreement, they’re going to be subject. you know, not that we have the full details yet, I think, but they’re going to be subject to the same bargaining, that the workers, and the rest of the big three are under.

    Lisa Xu: and then one other thing I want to mention, you know, I think there has been some back and forth, As to, you know, how much, how labor intensive is the production relative to traditional internal combustion engine production? And, you know, I think what many of us previously thought was that it was about, I think, 40 percent less labor intensive or more.

    Lisa Xu: So now there’s more research now showing that actually when you factor in battery production in addition to just, you know, powertrain assembly, which is less labor intensive, [00:28:00] EV production as a whole, may not require less labor. So, so to be able to bring this. More labor intensive battery production, under the big 3 master agreement is a huge deal and, you know, it’s going to put pressure on board and philanthus, to do the same and hopefully, raise wages and improve working conditions for battery workers, outside of GM as well.

    Lisa Xu: and to cite more labor notes, reporting, you know, my colleague, Louise Leon has written a lot about working conditions in these battery plants and they’re, you know, these workers are working with dangerous chemicals. I think OSHA is fining GM’s Ultium plant, now, hundreds of thousands of dollars just, because, you know, they, because they were non union plants, they didn’t previously have the same protections,as the union plant.

    Lisa Xu: So. So yeah, so this is a big 

    Teddy Ostrow: deal. Right. Chris, do you want to talk on this as well? 

    Chris Budnick: yeah, it is a big deal. You know, it actually reminded me of,helping [00:29:00] Sean Fane campaign, for president. we did a little road trip down there to, Spring Hill, Tennessee, local 18, 1853, GM plant.

    Chris Budnick: And, there’s all team plants, like being built, like different buildings, like all around the entire, you know, campus. And just, and there’s a lot of GMCH workers there. at the, in the complex and, you know, just hearing it, hearing from members, that are, you know, in progression or full on legacy and just hearing how just legally, divided they are.

    Chris Budnick: it’s just like, man, we have a lot of work to do, so hearing GM. to promise to fold in its electric vehicle plants is to the, into the master contract is huge.

    Chris Budnick: It’s absolutely huge. And it’s a factor of, now that they’ve done it [00:30:00] and the bargaining, it’s like, well, Stellantis and Ford do it as well because I can tell you from Ford’s end of things, we have a. battery plant being built as we speak and, about an hour South Louisville and then we also have the blue oval city in Tennessee, 

    Chris Budnick: that is, uh, going to be like, the next generation electric truck. And it’s going to be really huge to hopefully I think it’s important that we follow suit. We have no choice, but to. what I’m trying to say is that these companies are going full EVs.

    Chris Budnick: They’re making promises, you know, to the government, to some degree,

    Chris Budnick: they want to be like fully electric by 2035 and they keep changing like the year 2030, 2035, whatever the deal is. So, I mean, there’s a lot of folks in my plant that are like, why [00:31:00] is this important? Why are EVs so important? And it’s like, well. You know, if Ford has their name on it, that’s our work.

    Chris Budnick: That’s our work. and we shouldn’t let it just go to some folks, at a very low wage. we need to adjust transition. You know, it freaked me out seeing that research done. I think it was back in 2018 about EVs saying that the labor, the amount of labor needed for EVs is less about 25, 30 percent less.

    Chris Budnick: And, thank you, Lisa, for Putting out the, uh, that there’s been new studies done, that it might take more. so I haven’t read into that. it is just so important to make sure that the big 3 and the UAW. Come together on that and get all the plans, under our master agreement. So we can, continue 

    Chris Budnick: mainly for a just transition and as Sean family [00:32:00] says, you know, for, you know, social justice and economic justice, 

    Chris Budnick: Thank goodness we have the leadership in the UAW to do it. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Right. No, thanks.

    Teddy Ostrow: Thanks for that. 

    Teddy Ostrow: And I do recommend to people that they go and read and in these times article, really in depth article by, Lisa’s colleague, Luis Feliz Leon, explaining sort of the. Honestly, horrific, conditions,of these chemical spills, explosions, he digs into some like police reports, that I think hadn’t been covered before.

    Teddy Ostrow: So it’s a great piece. and at your company, Chris, I wanted also to mention that up until this moment, there, the means through which it seemed the UAW was trying to sort of push up against this turn among the big three to the EVs and to try to Sort of use that turn to undermine your guys’s hard fought, contracts and standards was to give the right to strike over plant closures to the workers, which is [00:33:00] something that Ford actually, gave up, as I understand it, in negotiation so far that if they are going to close these plants and then go off to, you know, not a less friendly union state or even to Mexico to open up some of these E.

    Teddy Ostrow: V. plants. no, we’re going to strike over it. Give that ultimate leverage that you guys are using right now across the country. and I think just to use that to turn, you know, that’s a pretty big win in itself as well at Ford. But to end, I’d like to ask you both to take a, take stock a little bit, on what’s happened over the course of this strike so far, you know, the strike isn’t over, obviously.

    Teddy Ostrow: Yeah, absolutely. it may be several weeks, um, still, but who knows? We’ll see, feel free to talk about what’s already been one, but also beyond what is contractual, you know, cause I think I’m talking a little bit more broadly, you know, for one, I think, and I hope that we have already seen a sort of.

    Teddy Ostrow: Showcasing for the legitimacy of the kind of militant unionism,[00:34:00] that you guys at UAWD have fought for, this sort of class warfare orientation, perhaps, that is required of workers to win what they deserve, and I think that’s hugely important for the entire labor movement, so please, you know, take this wherever you want to take it, but how are you measuring the success or failure of this strike so far, you know, how, what has been won already, What is yet to be achieved?

    Teddy Ostrow: But ultimately, the question is, what can we already say about the UAW’s historic standup strike? 

    Lisa Xu: well, first I think, you know, Chris and I organized together in UAWD for a few years before this. And I don’t know what you think, Chris, but this has. exceeded my wildest imagining for how much, you know, we, the reform movement would be able to accomplish in just, you know, a couple of years.

    Lisa Xu: I think first, being able to elect the whole slate that we ran, the slate that, yeah, that Sean headed up and then just seeing [00:35:00] just what a drastic I mean, still, you know, incomplete, but so far, like, just what, a new president and leadership, has been able to accomplish. So, I think just the story of that is very important, and I hope that inspires, workers organizing to reform their own unions.

    Lisa Xu: And, yeah, 

    Chris Budnick: can I comment on that? Lisa? Go ahead. Well, I mean, it’s it’s yeah, it’s wonderful. And you’ve done absolute amazing work with us at and we sure do miss you. We really do. but, yeah, I mean, I just wanted to point something out and I’ll let you finish your thoughts. but, I just want to point out that, you know, it’s.

    Chris Budnick: the kind of goal of reform in my mind, I guess my personal opinion was to, you know, do a top down approach, and yeah, and it is absolutely crazy that we were able to achieve that as UAW members. and supporters to [00:36:00] get that done, which we, you know, for the most part got,you know, we started to reform it and obviously we’re seeing.

    Chris Budnick: The great work that’s coming out of it. The great ideas. but now, I mean, it’s a bottom up approach at this point. now that we have a good start of, we have good leadership at the top to encourage us and engage us and educate us to do so. and from the bottom up and that’s where, you know, all these, you know, building.

    Chris Budnick: militancy in the union, to constantly fight, a lot harder, with the, with these companies and, you know, and the hope is that it’s going to really build, our union and the labor movement. To, to heights we’ve never seen before and let’s do it. Let’s go. So, thank you for mentioning that Lisa.

    Chris Budnick: I’ll let you continue. 

    Lisa Xu: Oh, yeah. No, thank you for mentioning that. I think you’re right. I think what we’re seeing the UAW is, [00:37:00] you know, we’re seeing sort of some change at the top that is sparking the change at the bottom, which is really the change that we really need to sustain reform and this.

    Lisa Xu: struggle going forward. And, you know, Teddy, I think you mentioned class warfare. Well, the class warfare has been going on for a long time. It’s just that the working class needs to waken to the fact that, you know, capital has been waging class warfare against the working class,for decades and has sort of quelled, I think, a lot of the militancy and, you know, the Ability to fight back.

    Lisa Xu: And, you know, I think what’s been so amazing is seeing, everyone, including workers around the world kind of taking note of what’s happening in the UAW and seeing, you know, this Such, such an important historical union, kind of sees the reins and [00:38:00] say, you know, this is not a one sided class, struggle.

    Lisa Xu: and I mean, that for me has just been, you know, even though like, I was A part of it from the inside and now like just looking at, you know, looking at it a little bit more from the outside at labor notes. it’s just amazing to see honestly, surreal. I just can’t emphasize that because it’s been such a long time coming.

    Lisa Xu: And I think so much is happening so quickly that, you know, I, you know, I just, I’ve been like, just truly very inspired watching all the workers. yeah. in the strike and, you know, also the way Sean Spain has been, leading the fight. So, yeah, those are just some of my own personal feelings about it.

    Chris Budnick: Yeah, it’s, it’s been a rush and I know you probably feel the same way, Lisa, sometimes it’s just like after every type of campaign, you think that you can take a little break and then you can’t, you don’t [00:39:00] get a 

    Lisa Xu: break, Chris. 

    Chris Budnick: No, it’s a never ending fight, and that’s, you know, I always believe in, Having good balance and everything and things have been out of balance, over the, over the decades, the corporations have really built power, over the workers and, it’s time for us to fight back and, and have the leadership,engage it, You know, and, educate us and get us where we need to be.

    Chris Budnick: cause that is just, yeah, just union members itself, ourselves. We need to have to, and just workers join a union, any workers out there that are non union. I mean, your boss has to say. in the union, you have a say, you know, and it takes time to, to organize and build that militancy, but we’ll get there, you know, even in the UAW, very militant.

    Chris Budnick: Then kind of lost it there for a little bit and now we’re back, or we’re [00:40:00] getting back and it’s going to be a constant struggle, constant fight, and it’s going to be never ending. and, yeah, I mean, I kind of like where we’re going here. I just, well, I wanted to mention some of the gains, you know, 

    Teddy Ostrow: yeah, if you want to talk about the concrete wins as well,

    Chris Budnick: Yeah. Cola. Cola is a good, uh, topic because there’s a lot of folks, has that have said, union members. Cola’s gone. It’s gone forever. We’re never getting it back. And the funny thing is it just took one plant, the Bronco and the Ford Ranger plant at Ford for, Ford to fold,and give us back Cola.

    Chris Budnick: you know, right now it’s just, I mean, I’m assuming it’s all in writing, you know, so, and that’s huge and not to mention they’re going to go by the 2007 Cola language. That’s not going to be some new. Improved type of language that’s [00:41:00] going to, that’s going to, you know, basically be half cola or Coke zero as Sean Fang called it.

    Chris Budnick: but we really need to look at, I mean, we talked about EVs and how we want our, any EVs that the companies are, Making that it’s under our master agreement, that’s obviously a huge thing, but there’s also, as a tier 2, I don’t have, a pension, a defined pension or healthcare when I retire.

    Chris Budnick: So, for a lot of years, I’m not good on all that financial stuff, you know, but I’m also not going to retire for another 25 years. So, I mean, it’s important to me to have a good retirement and, but I also saw my 401k drop like 40 grand in 2021. You know, and I’ve only gotten half of that back since, um, so that’s very, I mean, things can happen with the [00:42:00] 401k.

    Chris Budnick: that wouldn’t happen with a pension because it’s a guaranteed amount of money. so, I mean, those are things that, That are very important, but. Also, getting retirees a raise, they need a raise, some type of cola to keep up with inflation. so I think it’s 2003, 2004 was the last time they got a raise.

    Chris Budnick: you know, I mean, hell that’s almost 20 years. Retirees have gone without a raise and they need a raise not to mention legacy, union family that are going to be going out and retiring.

    Chris Budnick: they’d be nice if they’re caught up with, you know, the times and inflation and all that stuff. I want to make this very clear what I’m expecting on a wage increase. because cola was suspended back in 2009. Um, and these are basically my calculations, but we need a 20%.

    Chris Budnick: upfront increase on wages just to catch up to where we would be if we had [00:43:00] cold of the last. You know, 14 years, uh, so 20 percent increase and then after that, they can give us, I mean, we got cola back. So let’s, let’s get some raises, you know, regular raises to get us above the standard. so we can set that standard for other workers across the country, you know, a union or not.

    Chris Budnick: And that’s that’s 1 thing I wanted to really mention and say clearly. so there’s 10 percent up front is not good enough. It’s not even close. To where we should be, and, we need at least 20.

    Teddy Ostrow: Well, thank you for kind of going through some of what was one, but also what is still obviously, left on the table. And there, there appears to be a lot left on the table, but there’s also a lot more of you guys who aren’t out on strike yet, technically. So, you know, given the trend of this strikes, given the successes so far, I think, you know, it’s, it’s, not unlikely that you guys will be able to win a lot more. but [00:44:00] I appreciate you both going into sort of what was more broadly one so far and your point, Chris, about, you know, winning the top down, but now the fight begins really, on the bottom up and we’ve been hearing, I guess, a little hints of that in that, you know, uh, we’re trying to, build the culture of, Work to rule actions or practice pickets or rallies because, you know, this is something we’ve emphasized on this show before.

    Teddy Ostrow: This is the beginning of a reform in the UAW,to the militancy that, made your union so historic, you know, and you’re right, the fight never ends 

    Teddy Ostrow: Well, Chris Budnick and Lisa shoe. Thanks for joining me on the upsurge. 

    Lisa Xu: Thank you. 

    Chris Budnick: Thank you. 

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  • United Auto Workers (UAW) have continued to ramp up their strike against the Big Three automakers (Ford, GM, and Stellantis) over the past month, with 8,700 workers at Ford’s immensely profitable Kentucky Truck Plant joining the 25,000 workers already on strike at assembly plants and parts distribution centers across the country earlier this month. Meanwhile, SAG-AFTRA strikers continue to hold the line after the Writers Guild of America concluded their strike, even as negotiations with the Hollywood studios have stalled. In TRNN’s latest Worker Solidarity Livestream, we take you to the frontlines of struggle and hear directly from striking workers themselves. TRNN Editor-in-Chief Maximillian Alvarez speaks with Marcie Pedraza, an electrician at Ford Chicago Assembly Plant and member of UAW Local 551, and Diany Rodriguez, a rank-and-file SAG-AFTRA member.

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    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Welcome everyone to The Real News Network. My name is Maximillian Alvarez. I’m the editor in chief here at The Real News, and it’s so great to have you all with us. Listen, I know there is a lot going on in the world right now and things are getting very dark very quickly, and my heart is truly overcome with grief as I imagine yours are too. Amid all of the madness going on in the world, our small but dedicated team here at The Real News will continue with our work to cover as many stories and struggles as we possibly can. And to that end, today we are bringing you more coverage of the working class rebellion that continues to spread to workplaces and industries across the United States. Over the past month, United Auto Workers have continued to ramp up their strike at the big three auto companies, that’s Ford, GM and Stellantis, calling workers at more plants to hit the picket line.

    As Keith Brower Brown recently reported at Labor Notes, “Every Friday for the past four weeks, big three CEOs have waited fearfully for UAW President Shawn Fain to announce which plants will strike next. But without warning, on Wednesday, October 11th, the union threw a haymaker. Within 10 minutes, the UAW would be shutting down the vast Kentucky Truck Plant. This plant on 500 acres outside of Louisville is one of Ford’s most profitable, cranking out full-size SUVs and the Super Duty line of commercial trucks. These 8,700 strikers joined the 25,000 already walking the lines at assembly plants and parts distribution centers across the country in the union’s escalating standup strike.” At the same time, less than two weeks ago, the US experienced the largest healthcare workers strike in our history, although you may not have heard about it, when 75,000 workers with the Coalition of Kaiser Permanente Unions went on a three-day strike against the healthcare giant Kaiser Permanente. And that strike led to workers winning a new contract that aims to address staffing shortages with raises that will amount to 21% in wage increases over the next four years to help retain current workers.

    And as of this month, October, workers at the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, whom we’ve interviewed multiple times here at The Real News, have been on strike and holding the line for a full year, all while the newspaper’s owners continue to stall and refuse to bargain in good faith with their employees. At the same time, while the Writer’s Guild of America have reached a deal with the Hollywood Studios, SAG-AFTRA actors remain on strike and continue to hold the line while negotiations have stalled with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers, or the AMPTP. At the same time as that, hospitality workers in Southern California have been on strike for months, and 50,000 of their brothers and sisters with Culinary Workers Union Local 226 are prepared to strike and shut down the iconic Las Vegas Strip to get a fair contract, while their hotel casino giant employers like MGM Resorts International, Caesar’s Entertainment and Win Encore Resorts rake in record profits. Sound familiar? And we’re just scratching the surface here.

    We also have over 1,300 healthcare workers at PeaceHealth in the Pacific Northwest who are preparing to strike this coming Monday, October 23rd, after Peace Health reportedly walked away from the bargaining table this week. The workers are members of the Oregon Federation of Nurses and Health Professionals Local 5017. PeaceHealth has threatened to take the drastic step of cutting health insurance for these striking workers if their strike lasts into November, and they’re reportedly offering scab workers $8,000 a week, which is twice as much as healthcare workers are currently asking for. As we always do here at The Real News, we’re going to take y’all to the front lines of struggle so that you can hear firsthand from the folks who are fighting these fights, about what they’re fighting for, why it’s important, and what we can all do to help. And I am truly honored to be joined on the livestream today by two working class warriors.

    We hope a third will be joining us, but right now on the stream, we’ve got the amazing Marcie Pedraza, a union electrician at the Ford Chicago Assembly Plant and member of UAW Local 551. We’re also joined by Diany Rodriguez, a rank-and-file SAG-AFTRA member, and also a driver, eater, and cat lover. And we hope to be joined later on the stream by Jonathan Baker, the executive president of the Oregon Federation of Nurses and Health Professionals Local 5017. Marcie, Diany, thank you so much for joining me today on The Real News Network, I really appreciate it.

    Marcie Pedraza:

    Absolutely, thanks for having me.

    Diany Rodriguez:

    Same, thanks for having me.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Well, it’s always great to see you both. It’s really exciting for me, and I hope for our audience as well, because I’ve had the honor of interviewing each of you on separate occasions. Marcie, we did a great big interview before the strike with you and two of your fellow union siblings at different plants. So that was a great podcast we did. I highly recommend folks go check that out if you really want to know what this strike is about. But I got to interview Marcie for that a couple months ago. And I’ve had the honor of interviewing Diany for my Art of Class War segment on breaking points early in the SAG-AFTRA strike, which began this summer. And so I think it’s really important, really cool and really special that we now have you both on the same call, because one of the overarching goals of these worker-solidarity livestreams is to break down the barriers that our bosses, our media, our politicians, and even ourselves put up that prevent us from building bonds of solidarity across industries, across different types of workers and across worker struggles. We need to recognize that we are all working people, we are all fighting for a just and dignified life. The SAG-AFTRA actors, UAW workers, healthcare workers, grad students, strippers, newspaper workers, we all need to fight for ourselves and fight for one another.

    So it’s really exciting to have you all on the call. And again, we hope that Jonathan will be able to join us. But either way, I want to just start by giving you all the floor and giving us about five, six minutes each to really just introduce or reintroduce yourselves to the good Real News viewers. So tell us a little bit about yourself, the kind of work that you were doing up until these strikes. And then yeah, just refresh our memories of what led y’all in SAG-AFTRA and the United Auto Workers to take this fateful step and hit the picket line and go on strike. What are these strikes really about? What are the key issues that you want folks watching to remember up top about where these strikes all started and what they’re about? So Diany, why don’t we start with you if that’s okay, and then Marcie, we’ll go to you after.

    Diany Rodriguez:

    Sure. Thanks again, Max for having me on. Can you hear me?

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    I can, but go ahead and speak up a little bit if you can.

    Diany Rodriguez:

    I get that all the time. Okay. Yes, so I am Diany Rodriguez. It’s difficult because of the strike to talk specifically about what I was doing before the strike, but I was on two seasons of a network show that I will not name. And sadly enough, and funny enough, my most recent project that I was really proud of dropped literally at the same time and date that we started this strike. So I can’t mention it either, but it’s super fun, and if you IMDB me… What’s funny about the lovely timing of this podcast is that we just had another SAG rally here in Atlanta on Monday night, I believe. So we got a refresher on everything that has gone down over this, I don’t know, hot-labor summer into fair-wage fall, I guess we can call it.

    Honestly, I’m not in dire straits. Again, working on a network contract, my residuals have helped carry me through. I am quickly running through my savings, but a big thing that has been important to me to hit is that a lot of my friends, my close acquaintances, people that… I make the joke that I for the last two seasons have been on a show where I was basically a shadow in the background behind the main character. So you can’t really recognize me on site, but I have friends who folks who are maybe not in the industry would think are straight up celebrities, very easily recognizable on site, who are currently working at Trader Joe’s. No shame to Trader Joe’s, I think it’s an amazing job and the benefits are amazing, but there’s been a narrative going on right now that this is the Hollywood elite, and that, “We’re trying to buy our third house, why don’t we just get back to work?”

    But the thought that we would be smoked out, or the thought that we could be waited out until we lose our homes, the AMPTP never realized, or I don’t think has put together the fact that we’ve always been jobbers, that we’ve always had multiple gigs in order to make ends meet because we are not all millionaires, only what, 5% of us are millionaires, this guy’s not a millionaire. But the thing that really brought it home to me was that there are people that you would recognize from blockbuster shows on Netflix or on Hulu, that were series regulars that you could recognize onsite, who are going to be taking care of your children, who are going to be bagging your groceries, who are going to be serving your fries. Again, no shame to any of that stuff, but there’s a real disconnect when you’re asking the people who are propping up the business that we as consumers, as humans who love to be entertained, and there’s no shame in loving to be entertained, there’s a real disconnect when you’re asking those people who are making billionaires another set of billions to not even be able to afford their rent. There’s a real disconnect there, and I know that it’s hard to get people on board when they think that we’re all the Hollywood elite, but I guarantee you we are not.

    And at our meeting, there was one really beautiful testimonial from a young lady who has been in the union, she said 20 years, and she’s now a single mom because a couple of months ago she lost her husband who was also in the union, who was also a contributing breadwinner. And with the ongoing unwillingness of the AMPTP to come back to the table, because it’s not a SAG strike, it’s an AMPTP work stoppage is what it is. And she lost her husband, she lost his contributions to the pension, she lost his other salary in the home. And now because of the ongoing AMPTP work stoppage, she’s not even making residuals. She’s not able to get money in residuals or get money from pension. And what’s happening now is the actors fund and all of these extra things that we are all putting money into in order to prop ourselves up, it’s a bit gatekeepy. So whereas a lot of us aren’t on our last leg, like I have two or three or four months rent, it would be nice to be able to get to some of that money before I’m one month’s rent, before it’s in dire straits. So now we’re all facing that.

    And now the AMPTP has once again refused to come to the bargaining table. It’s not us, it is them. We are here, we are ready, we are willing. And it’s not just us here in Atlanta specifically, it’s Starbucks, it’s Delta, it’s United Airlines, it’s Whole Foods. We have a lot of folks out here in the world who are marching and picketing for fair and equitable wages. Again, not our third, fourth houses, the ability to be able to maybe just have one job, or hell, two jobs, that’d be super great. And I’m sure Marcie and I will echo, I hope, that I want everybody to strike. I want everybody to make fair wages. I’m out there with everybody, not just with SAG. I was with WGA, I’ve attendance of Starbucks strikes. I want everybody to make a fair wage. And I know that it’s difficult to think of actors or people in the industry as blue collar workers, but most of us, we are. So the hope is that with this and with other times that we get out and work and we talk and we put a face on the fight that hopefully it starts to soften some hearts.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Hell yeah. In the next round, I want to circle back to some of what you said, Diany, because I think that was really important, about reframing this not necessarily as a SAG-AFTRA strike, but as an AMPTP lockout, and what you’re hearing from or not hearing from the AMPTP, that is the studio bosses, the folks behind the massive companies, because it’s not just the Hollywood studios anymore, it’s massive tech companies like Apple, like Amazon. We got a whole lot of issues to dig into deeper here, but I’m curious in the next round to talk a little more about those specifics, and also what it’s been like since the Writer’s Guild of America concluded their strike. And my sense is that the AMPTP is essentially hoping that after that everyone will forget about SAG-AFTRA and the pressure will ramp up and y’all will be pressured into accepting a subpar contract. But before we get there, Marcie, I wanted to toss it to you and ask you, for folks who maybe haven’t listened to that podcast we did, if you could introduce yourself to the livestream viewers, tell us a bit about the work you were doing up until the strike, and take a few minutes to remind us what this strike is really about and what’s been going on in Chicago these past few weeks.

    Marcie Pedraza:

    Yeah, I’m on strike right now, actually. Again, my name is Marcie Pedraza, I’ve been a union electrician for 24 years, and actually been in the UAW for 10 years, been very active in my union on various committees. I’m also a environmental justice activist on the southeast side of Chicago where I’m from, where aside from fighting toxic polluters in our neighborhood, we were trying to… Well, first as a member of UAWD, Unite All Workers for Democracy, we were trying to get Shawn Fain elected, and then that happened. Then getting ready for this contract campaign, which is the first time in a long time that we’re seeing all these demands from the membership, that we’re fighting for a record contract. As you can see in my background, record profits equal a record contract. Auto workers have given up so much 15 years ago in concessions to the big three. So we’re just fighting for our what’s owed back to us, wage increases, cost-of-living allowance, the end of the tier system. We want pensions, because if you’re hired before 2007, you have a pension. I was hired after, I don’t have a pension.

    So things like the right to strike, plant closures, the fight for a 32-hour work week, and the fight for a just transition to electric vehicles just to name a few. And so this is our, for the big three, 34 days into the strike. For me, it’s my 20th day, and I’m just coming to you live from the picket line. I did my strike duty this morning, that’s why I’m probably a little flush, I was by the barrel fires all night. It’s pretty cold in Chicago at right now. And there’s six assembly plants currently on strike, 38 parts distribution centers, for about 34,000 members on strike right now for the big three of UAW. And that could increase at any day. Like you said, the last week’s, I call it the sneak-attack strike for Kentucky Truck Plant, which happened on Wednesday night, because our president Fain said, “Well, why wait until Friday to give them time to come up with these last-minute offers?” And Ford wasn’t budging, and basically gave them the same offer from two weeks ago, and they didn’t even want to meet them face to face in the beginning. So he just got up and said, “You lost Kentucky Truck Plant.” And that was pretty gangster in my opinion.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Yeah, [inaudible 00:19:26] can I ask, how did you and the homies across UAW respond when you heard that news?

    Marcie Pedraza:

    I mean, I was just at a meeting at the hall with, we were hosting some auto workers from Brazil who came to town just to show solidarity, three workers, two from GM, one from Embraer, which is an aerospace manufacturer. And we had just had a meeting at the hall. And as soon as that was done, my phone was blowing up, I saw the Twitter announcement, then it went away, then it came back. And that was crazy. Even when we found out in Chicago, I wasn’t working at the time, but I was thinking the day before, it was my weekend, I’m like, “Well, I could be on strike next week, or could be going back to work.” I mean, it was a shock, it’s exciting, it’s stressful. And that really did throw them for a loop, because they’re thinking, “Oh, they haven’t until Friday.” So these live updates that are on Facebook and YouTube. But no, he’s just like, “All right, well, now everybody’s on call or on notice.” And there’s what, a quarter million workers on strike right now across the country, and that number’s just going up every day. So it’s good to see, I’m also calling for a general strike, let’s shut them down because we’re fed up. And as far as the progress or what little progress has been made, I think as far as Ford, cost-of-living allowance, they’re offering to come back, which is great.

    As many know, that inflation’s has gone up the last four years 20%. My raises have only gone up 6%. CEO’s raises have gone up 40%. I mean, our wages are going backwards, and we’ve given up so much. And it’s just time for us to be able to even afford the products we make. I have a 10-year-old Jeep, which I love, and I was fortunate to get when I worked at Belvidere Assembly Plant, I used my, at the time Chrysler discount, but I don’t know if I could afford a new car right now. I’m hoping that my Jeep lasts a little longer, especially being on strike. And then the announcement from GM to put the electric vehicle, the battery plants under the master agreement. I mean, that’s huge, because that wasn’t seen as possible before all this, because of the big three and their joint ventures, having these plants in right to work to work for less states, or in the South, or they wouldn’t have to be under UAW.

    But just hearing that, for me as an environmentalist, that was huge, it brought me to tears, because just to see what’s possible, and hopefully Ford and Stellantis will follow suit with that, but I think what they’re probably stuck on is pensions and benefits for retirees. They claim to have no money or they’re being stretched thin, but really, we’re the ones that are being stretched for being able to afford anything these days. And I’m just so glad about the transparency from our international leadership so far. I mean, the last couple contracts that I’ve heard of, they would start one company at a time, and we didn’t really hear anything about what was going on in negotiations until, they would extend the contract, because as always, the companies wait until the last minute. And then they would say eventually, “Okay, we’re doing an extension. Here’s a tentative agreement, you should vote for it.”

    And I was always told, “Don’t accept the first offer.” So we would vote no. Generally in Chicago, we always vote yes to strike, no to the first tentative agreement, but usually they would pass and we would take whatever little scraps they would give us, and that was it. But this time around, with our first-time-elected president and international leadership, we’ve gotten live updates, and we’re constantly getting information, which is refreshing. And also, it’s just keeping everybody informed. Some folks, I know before we were called out to strike, we were ready, we’re doing practice pickets and all that stuff. And it was just exciting to get the call, and we’re ready, we’re committed, we’re still standing strong, even in the rain and the cold. So yeah, it’s just been great to see the community come together, not just the membership, but local businesses, other unions and things like that. So the solidarity has just been awesome throughout all this.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Hell yeah. And I just want to quickly follow up on that, because I remember maybe the last time that we spoke, I think you and I were on the Katie Halper show, shout out to Katie, and we were sort of talking about this once the strike began last month. I know there was a lot of skepticism from folks around the country about the standup strike strategy. If folks recall, we covered this in a past livestream that we did with fellow UAW workers and retirees. I spoke to Austin Gore, who is at the Toledo plant on strike there. I spoke to the great Martha Gravatt, AUW retiree. That was a couple of weeks ago, you guys should go back and check that out, but we addressed this then as well. I understand why people were maybe concerned with the standup strike strategy. To refresh folks’ memory, that means that instead of calling all auto workers at all three of the big three automakers out to the picket line at once, what the UAW has been doing is they began by taking a historic step, by having workers at all three of the big three automakers go on strike at once. That’s never happened before in the history of the UAW.

    So Ford, GM and Stellantis workers are all on strike right now, but not all of that workforce is on strike right now. It started with three plants that were called to strike first in the middle of last month. And then that has given the UAW the ability to constantly threaten at the bargaining table that if the companies don’t come back with better offers, they can always call more plants out to strike, and they can ramp up that pressure, they can hurt the companies more economically, they can preserve the strike fund a little bit as these things continued to unfold. But Marcie, I just wanted to get a temperature check from you on that. Would you say after about a month of the standup strike strategy, that it appears to be working? Are fellow UAW members confident in this strategy after seeing the past month of action?

    Marcie Pedraza:

    Oh yeah. I mean, I’ve trusted the process since the beginning, because like I said, it’s been refreshing just to get these updates. And it’s interesting to see these companies, it’s keeping them on their toes, it’s keeping them guessing. And I think it’s great that now we flipped the tables and now they’re fighting each other. We’re pitting them against each other, they’re trying to see who’s going to come up with the best tentative agreement first. Whereas before, one company went at a time, one company would go first, and last time it was GM. And when their tentative agreement came out, the other two companies said, “Well, we don’t have to do anything better than that. We could just do that bare minimum, maybe little tweaks here and there.” But now they’re all running around with chickens with their heads cut off like, “Well, what if we give this? And then we’ll be first and then we’ll look good.”

    So yeah, it’s been a very interesting to say the least, and just, I don’t know. It’s just I’m hearing different things from people. Of course, some people don’t like it, they’re confused or whatever like, “Why are the streams always late?” Well, that’s because on Fridays when we would give the live updates, one of the companies was, “Hey, wait, wait, I got another offer right here.” It wasn’t technical difficulties, it was the companies trying to get something in the last minute to save a plant from going on strike. So now with the whole at-any-moment strategy, I think that’s just even more effective.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Yeah, it’s nice to see the bosses on the back foot for once.

    Marcie Pedraza:

    Right.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    And yeah, there does seem to be quite a bit of confusion on the company side as they try to adjust to this strategy. So it’s a really critical moment that we’re living through. And of course, we’re going to keep staying on this and talking to folks like Marcie throughout this strike and even after, so that you all out there can hear firsthand about what’s going on and what’s working, what’s not. But I think, like you said, Marcie, I was blown away, because I remember interviewing striking GM workers in 2019. I remember interviewing workers at iconic plants like Lordstown, Ohio, Oshawa, Canada, Hamtramckin Michigan. And the way that they spoke about the union, the companies, the sense of hope was just night and day compared to what I’m hearing from workers now. People are fired up, there’s faith in the union leadership, there is a fighting spirit that we’re hearing from folks across the big three automakers, and we’re hearing reports from non-union auto workers at places like Nissan and whatnot who are really watching this struggle closely.

    So it’s something that I think is going to have ripple effects for months and years to come. But I was thinking about all of this as I was watching UAW President Shawn Fain wearing an Eat The Rich T-shirt, announcing that at GM, the battery plants were going to be coming under the master agreement. And that was such a historic moment, the very fact that the companies that had just dug their heels in and refused to allow this EV transition and the jobs that we’re going to result from that, and we need that transition, but they’ve been trying to use it as an excuse to lower the floor for the incoming workforce that’s going to be working on those EVs, the batteries, and have those standards be way less, the pay be way less. And so for the UAW to put the companies on the back foot, to open up the possibility of bringing those EV and battery plants under the master agreement is a seismic historic development. I just really want to impress that upon people watching and listening.

    But I want to go back around the table here and sort of talk about that deeper timeline that y’all both mentioned, because Diany, I think when you and I first did our interview on breaking points a few months back, you said something to this effect, where you said the days when the workaday actor, the workaday artist could make a living doing that work are gone. And you mentioned that in the beginning, it’s like, “Yeah, people see Hollywood and they identify actors as part of the elite.” We all assume that y’all must just be swimming in piles of money like Scrooge McDuck, but what you and other actors and writers have been telling us all year is like, “No, we can’t even afford to only do this job. We all have multiple jobs.” The changes over time in the industry have led to residuals going down, you can’t rely on that as much. The explosion of streaming services has been a radical change in the industry that has meant massive profits for the companies and diminishing take-home pay for writers and actors. Now they want to use AI to basically capture y’all’s images and not use human actors in the future.

    So this is a really critical moment for you all at SAG-AFTRA and the Writer’s Guild of America. But again, I think the thing that drives me crazy, I feel like a Twilight Zone character who’s caught in this time loop, because I feel like even though we think of Hollywood actors and writers in a different category of worker from auto workers, railroad workers, so on and so forth, the thing that drives me crazy is, I talk to workers from all these different industries every week, and we’re all talking about the same thing, it’s just happening in different industries. When I spoke to Matt Seevers, a bartender at the Bellagio with the Culinary Workers Union in Vegas who were prepared to go on strike, what he was describing is essentially what you guys are describing, take-home pay’s going down, profits at these hotel casinos are through the roof, they’ve been cutting staff, they’ve been piling more work onto fewer workers. I’m hearing this from Chipotle workers, Dollar Store workers, railroad workers, auto workers, it’s nuts.

    So I want to go back to that and toss it to both of you and ask if we could talk about just what those changes have meant for workers in these industries over the past couple decades. Let’s give a deeper texture to what y’all have been experiencing as workers in these industries that is coming to a head in these strikes, from streaming services to, Marcie, you mentioned the Great Recession and the concessions that the UAW workers took then to keep the auto industries from going belly up. Just give us more of a sense of how you have seen the industry change over these past few years and decades, and what that has translated to for workers in those industries. Yeah, Diany, go for it.

    Diany Rodriguez:

    Okay. Sorry, Marcie. I was like, “Marcie, you, me, you?” What’s funny, and I think I mentioned this last time, that I wasn’t a very good union member before we started this negotiation. I am in many unions, and all of them, I accidentally joined, because I live in Georgia, a right-to-work state. And I was Taft-Hartley’d into the theatrical union, I was Taft-Hartley’d into SAG-AFTRA, which means basically if you do too much work in a union state or a union contract, you have to join the union. So that’s how I have joined all of my unions. So this has been so eye-opening because I, and want to use real numbers just so that people can get a sense of how things have changed. I just started doing this job, I would say at most 15 years ago, really for real, not just hobbyist, it was my profession.

    I have heard stories from people at that meeting on Monday, somebody said, “Yes, I’ve been in the union for 35 years. And I remember, not even 20 years ago, 15 years ago, you could do two national commercials a year, and that would be enough to be able to make your mortgage payment, to be able to…” Because as I said last time on the podcast, and this is a thing that a lot of people don’t understand about the regular blue collar, not in the upper 4.5% of SAG-AFTRA, most of the work that we do is unpaid. So what you see, if you see me in a movie or TV show, is generally about a month worth of work. And that’s going in maybe 12, 13, 14, 15-hour days of a month’s worth of work, not working weekends, unless they decide to change the rules on you, then you do work the weekends, but you don’t get to decide that.

    And the fact that somebody said, “Maybe 15 years ago we could do two national commercials.” And I’m talking not even the progressive woman. I’m talking just one commercial that you can see, that it’s not a recognizable face, and it’s not even a recognizable item, it’s just a national commercial, you could use that to float yourself while you’re doing the vast majority of your work, which is unpaid. I’m talking, sitting down, trying to memorize 13 pages worth of media for an audition that you may or may not see anything from. I’m talking getting headshots, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on headshots, on makeup for auditions, on PR teams, on hair and makeup teams, for doing media, for the things that you are promoting that you had to spend a vast majority of your time doing unpaid for the billionaires who also aren’t necessarily paying you to market their product that you happen to be in. That has been a huge thing that has changed a lot of lives. And if you’re making it your business to be in the know in this specific strike, the SAG-AFTRA, the WGA, the DGA strike, then you’ve seen some of the, for example, God, some of the Orange is the New Black people, don’t go watch it, but some of the Orange is the New Black cast members showing their residuals checks of 1 cent, of 10 cents, meanwhile Netflix billionaires are giving themselves raises.

    It’s insane, it’s hard for me to put into words, people that, again, if you’re not in the industry, you would automatically equate with being celebrities simply because you’d be able to identify their faces, if you see them in a restaurant, you want their autograph, showing you how little they make doing a job where they are considered celebrities. Not only that, but because they’re only being paid, what a lot of people don’t understand is that we are only paid for the weeks we work, and then we are hoping to be paid these residuals. And the residuals don’t start until the first airing. So you’re just making that money off that first check, and then you’re hoping to make another job, or just not spending that money, or spending it as anti-liberally as you can in the hopes that basically eight to 10 months after the first airing you’ll make another check based on how many people watch it.

    But what people don’t understand is, because of these new contracts, these new contracts that have taken place over the last decade, and they have completely changed the landscape, and a lot of people don’t understand. So there are these things called new media contracts, which were originally made so that YouTubers could make money off their content, something that cost maybe $1,000 to make. We wanted to change these contracts so that they could make some money off of subscribers, off of people who were tuning into YouTube to see these things that were made off like shoestring budgets, so that they could hire people and weren’t expected to pay in the same amount into health and pension, for example, because they couldn’t afford it, because it was new media and we didn’t know what it would do.

    And now Netflix and Hulu and Amazon and Apple, these people that own the entire content pipeline, these people who have somehow been allowed to create a monopoly, they write it, they produce it, they cast it, then they distribute it, they have illegal monopolies that they have somehow been able to create these new fake contracts, because these contracts that we were giving to YouTube content creators, that we were giving to Tubi content creators, to people who were really interested in creating art that may or may not make money. And other artists were like, “Yeah, okay, we’ll jump on the bandwagon and hopefully we will all make money on the backend.” You have these billionaires using these same contracts, and they’re now unwilling to renegotiate these contracts. These same people are making these billions of dollars of money, and these people who just want to create art or play make believe or end gender empathy, all these reasons that people go into the arts, or all these reasons that people go into media and production, now we’re trapped.

    We’re trapped because we’re not only not able to make the weekly salary that we were able to make five years ago. And I say that because even the salaries have changed. Somebody, again at the meeting that we were talking about, there’s specific contract language in our contracts, things like a guest artist or a series regular. A series regular is the person that you see weekly on a show, they’re in the opening credits, their first name is there, they’re on all the posters, they’re in all the marketing. A series regular contract was a huge, huge deal. To get a series regular contract was basically to assure yourself you would be able to make your rent for a year, and that’s it, just a year. And it’s a big, huge deal because it means not that you’ve made it, it literally just means, “Maybe I won’t have to have my second job for a year.” That’s all that it means. That’s really all that it means.

    Now you can’t even do that. For example, like I was telling you, some of the Orange is the New Black cast members, because they’re under a new media contract, they were making, and I know this sounds like a lot, but let’s just use my specific numbers. I was in a huge, huge network television show, it’s top three across the world, across the world, I was in the ninth and 10th season, I was making a little under $10,000 a week. That’s a shit-ton of money to people that aren’t used to making $10,000 a week. Now, I need to reiterate, that’s only the weeks I was working. 22 episodes a year, that’s the season of this specific show. For my first season, I was in 20 of 22 episodes. So I was making about $10,000 a week.

    Now we’re talking NBCUniversal, NBCUniversal, who also has Universal Studios, because we forget about the other streams of money that they make, that these billionaires make, that we don’t make. I don’t have a theme park that I’m making money off of. I don’t have plushies or children’s toys, I’m not making any of that money, but these billionaires are making all those extra streams of money. So Diany is making a little under $10,000 a week. She is also paying her rent in Atlanta, which is $1,400 a week. She is also, because these billionaires make the rules, I had to live in New York for eight months of the year, or I had to make the decision of whether I wanted to fly back and forth. That’s all on my dime. So I’m paying to either fly myself back and forth, or eventually I knew I couldn’t afford it because it’s $500 a pop for me to fly back from Atlanta. I decided it was too expensive for me to fly myself back and forth. So I ended up having to get an apartment. NBCUniversal is not paying for that.

    I’m now paying my $1,400 a month for my apartment, because my gentleman caller lives here as well, and my cat lives here as well, and my gentleman caller is a full-time student. So I’m paying all of his living expenses and all of my bills in Atlanta, that’s $1,400 a month, plus gas, plus electric. $2,200 a month is the cheapest apartment that I found in New York. I was paying $2,200 a month, plus my MTA card, because they’re not paying me to get to and from sets. Now we’re talking, I’m not just working in New York, I’m working in New Jersey, I’m working in DC, wherever they need me to go for filming, I have to pay myself, I have to pay to get there, I have to pay my rent, I have to pay my water, my bills there.

    I was in the arrears, I didn’t even break even, I had to dip into my savings, because like I said, I’m paying my living expenses, my rent. I’m paying for myself to work for a billion-dollar company. I have to pay to get myself to set. I have to pay to get myself to my apartment. If you’ve ever lived in New York, you know how stiflingly frustrating and nearly impossible it feels to just live there. Not only that, but I’m also still auditioning, and I have to pay for those auditions. So I’m also putting in these 13, 14, 15-hour days on set, and having to figure out how to film my auditions on set. I’m having to ask famous people, because I’m nobody, but I’m having to ask the famous people that I’m on set with, “Hey, can you read these lines for me?” Or I have to pay somebody with a company to be able to, “Hey, would you be willing to learn these lines, and let me pay you $50 an hour to film me?” And that’s just one thing.

    So then all of a sudden, this under $10,000 a week, and you’re thinking… So do the math, I’m paying $1,400 of my apartment here, plus living expenses. I’m paying $2,200 to live in a 450-square-foot apartment where I get out of my bed and I’m in my kitchen. So that’s what we’re dealing with, and I’m having to pay that rent. And I’m also having to pay to do these auditions because I’m having to pay somebody to film them for me. Not only that, but I’m also having to split my check, because I’m paying 15% of my check, that’s my gross pay, not my net pay, not what I take home, because I’m not taking home $10,000 a week, I’m taking home about $6,500 a week, 15% of my gross pay goes to my manager, 10% of my gross pay goes to my agent, 10% of my gross pay goes to my attorney, because now when you start to make that kind of money, you have to have somebody who’s on your side negotiating for you. And then because I’m not being paid by NBCUniversal to market their product that I happen to be in, I’m paying 10% of my gross pay to my PR company.

    I didn’t do that math, but that’s 30 to 40% of that $6,500 that I’m making, I didn’t make money. Literally like I did not make money. So the goal is that you make money in residuals. So hopefully you’re not destitute, and hopefully you’ve found something else in the time that you’ve filmed it, and you’re no longer making that money, you are only making money while you’re there on set filming it. Then you have to wait eight months after the initial airing and hope that there were a lot of people that watched it, and you have to hope that you’ve made it and you’re not homeless. After eight months after it airs, you’re hoping you make these big residuals. I was very lucky, my first season of my first episode, I waited the eight months, I managed to not become destitute because I did not make money on a huge, huge, huge, TV show, my first residual drop was $20,000. And that was the happiest moment of my life because I’ve never made that kind of money, and, “Awesome, I’m able to pay out my team, I’m able to make my rent, that’s awesome.” That’s Diany’s story.

    Now, let’s go back and talk about the people who were on Orange is The New Black. Remember how I told you that I didn’t even break even because I’m paying my money here in Atlanta. Also, we have to pay union dues. We have to pay union dues once a year, but we also have to pay working dues. It was the scariest time of my life working on a huge television show where one or two people in the world recognized me, because I couldn’t afford to live. I simply couldn’t afford it, I was living off of my savings. Now, let’s talk about the Orange is the New Black women, they did not make a $20,000 influx of money after eight months of their initial airing, because the new media contract allows that. They’re not paying you based on viewership, they’re paying you based on what you made just weekly. And if they weren’t making a little under $10,000 like Diany was making, let’s say they were making scale, which is $1,900. Let’s say they were a guest star, they were making under $2,000 a week.

    So Netflix made it so that they can pay you based on that salary, not based on how much they’re making off of it. So they’re paying you based on that $2,000. So that meant that they were getting $800 for the first initial residual check. That’s the influx that you’re going to get after the first initial airing. After that, Netflix made it and the new media contract made it so that then it’s a huge percentage jump. Again, still not based on how much Netflix made on that money, or how much marketing they’ve made. Then it’s based on, “Okay, so now viewership has dropped.” Which means the next residual drop, which again, you’re not going to feel that for another couple of months after the initial airing. So we’re talking two years after the time that that has dropped and it’s made these billions of dollars, they still can’t afford to live. They still are just trying to make that $2,000, that initial $2,000, and then that $800.

    Eventually, And we’re talking by the second season of Orange is the New Black, they’re trying to live off of stuff that they have, pennies. And you can go on the internet, you can see them putting their residuals check on the internet, and it’s 1 cent, 20 cents, 10 cents. Meanwhile, because the residual structure of the CEOs wasn’t renegotiated in these new media contracts, they’re still making those hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars, but we are making significantly less. That’s why they were able to post these million-dollar profits, because they’re posting it on the backs of the people who are taking pay cuts. And I’m saying taking pay cuts, and these aren’t voluntary pay cuts, this is the new structure of these contracts that they have made. And we only even get to renegotiate them every three years. And we’re trying to renegotiate it, and they’re not coming to the table.

    So the thing that’s the hardest to see, that’s happening right now, like I said, a lot of my friends are working at Trader Joe’s, are working at Starbucks. Again, no shame in that game. That’s wonderful, those jobs need to be done. I love those jobs, it’s wonderful. And those are the jobs that are floating us in this last decade when we couldn’t afford to make these living wages, these jobs have floated us, but it’s crazy to me right now to see people… So media is still dropping, we’re still getting movies, we’re still getting new shows dropping on Hulu, on Apple, we’re still getting new shows dropping. But things that would conceivably have been the biggest thing we’ve ever done in our careers, for example, this new Marvel joint, or this new Apple joint, that shit is still coming out, that shit is still on our streamers, people are still watching that shit. But not only has the AMPTP made it so that we can’t work, so that we can’t make money and help flood our incomes in our chosen profession, they’re still making money off of that, and we are still making the pittance because we cannot renegotiate these contracts.

    It is the most unbelievable, immoral, unthinkable, I can’t even think of the words, to see people that honestly just want to… And I said this last time, I was like, “People could consider us elite.” And I get it, I get it, accountants aren’t famous, auto workers aren’t famous, they’re not on billboards, but the disconnect between regular human Americans who don’t look at us as blue collar workers, thinking that because we are famous, our income is commensurate with the amount of fame we have or don’t have, it’s a really hard uphill battle to fight. And then when you’re here on the front lines, especially in a market like Atlanta where you feel fully hamstringed, because there are no production companies here. So those of us here that went through the strike captain training and things like that, we feel so helpless because we can’t even be on picket lines because there are no offices here. So we’re just here holding rallies and trying to keep our brothers and sisters out there in solidarity, trying to let them know that we support them, trying to do something that feels like it matters, but genuinely, honestly, feeling like we are not part of the fight, like we cannot help our brothers and sisters. I can’t help the UAW, I can’t help Starbucks here. I can attend their rallies, but when you’re this famous and you’re getting… Not me, I mean SAG-AFTRA.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Right.

    Diany Rodriguez:

    When you’re this famous and people feel like you’re getting all the attention, because the AMPTP controls the media. That is not a thing that we control, that is a thing that the corporate overlords control. When you feel this small and this useless or this unnecessary, because we aren’t auto workers, we aren’t nurses, it’s this tiny microcosm of, “Well, fuck, who thinks I’m important? Or who thinks that we’re worthy and we’re necessary?” There’s a very specific thing that’s happening, and it’s been happening over the last four or five months, like, “Who can we help? How can we help? And how can we convince people that we matter and that we’re necessary? And how can we convince people, even in our own industry? How can we convince the UAW that we are here for them, that we are not just famous, rich people? How can we convince people when all the media coverage is on us?

    And the people that are hurting are not just us, it’s IATSE, it’s the teamsters, it’s the hair and makeup unions. It’s, “How do we convince people not only that we matter, but that we’re here for you? The landscape has changed so much in these past decades, and right now we are at a tipping point, and we’re at a tipping point with these other unions, “How can we convince people that we matter?” This has all happened over the last decade or so. So when you ask me how the landscape has changed, I will say that the landscape has changed so much so that we are at a point where now these people, who people think are famous and rich, not only are being made to feel that they don’t matter, they can’t afford their livelihoods, and they can’t even seemingly convince other of our brothers and sisters and humans in the unions that we’re here for them. It’s a very fun game.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Well, and I want us to end by talking about how we can correct that. And we’ve got Marcie on, so let’s talk about how we can better support one another and keep these fights going. And we will go over a little bit, but Marcie, I wanted to make sure that you had time to also give us that background here. But just letting folks of the livestream know we’re at about an hour now, we’re going to need to go over, but I want to give Marcie time to answer that question as well. And I want us to round out by talking about where things stand now and what we can all do to support each other. But yeah, Marcie, I guess give us your version of this, because again, I don’t want to compare apples to oranges, there are substantive differences in these industries, but so much of what we’re hearing, it’s echoes of each other, right?

    Marcie Pedraza:

    Right.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    So what Diany was describing about the transition to streaming services is similar to the transition to EVs, and the ways that the auto companies are using this new, necessary technological development that’s going to change the industry, they’re using it as an excuse to undercut workers in the industry and take all the profits for themselves, put people under shittier contracts, hire a bunch of temp workers after 2007. So it’s this perpetual race to the bottom. So give us a little snapshot there of how you’ve seen the industry change over the past decade or so and how that’s coming to a head here in the strike.

    Marcie Pedraza:

    Yeah, first of all, I want to say, Diany, I know we just met virtually, but you are somebody goddammit, we’re all important in this. We don’t have to be celebrities or on a billboard, we’re the ones who are creating wealth for these billionaires. So thank you for everything you do. And another note, I love TV. I fucking love TV and movies, so you’re my happy place, my safe space, my rest and self-care when I get a break, if I ever get a break, besides from working in my community, or at work, or being a full-time mom in a one parent household, that’s my joy. So thank you, you are important and essential. So as far as us, same stories. I also wanted to add too, that my first union was Screen Actors Guild, because when I was in the USC Trojan Marching Band, Fight On, we did movies and commercials, and the first thing we had to do was sign that union card.

    And I was proud to do it, being a fourth generation union worker, I always knew the importance of unions. And at a young age, as a young adult, I saw the inequities and how CEOs’ pay were skyrocketing, and working people’s wages were just at an all-time low, and the disparities between the upper class and the working class. And I’m just like, “Finally, thank God, people are waking up.” And I think not just in this past year, but I would say maybe even 11 years ago with the Chicago Teachers Union and Karen Lewis and her leadership, the teacher strike sparked a revolution in strikes of teachers and other workers. And especially since the pandemic, we’re realizing that we’re all essential. You know what? I had a two-month layoff, or we were laid off because of parts during the first couple months of the pandemic, but then we all went back to work. Ford was like, “Oh, we made some PPE. Go back to work, you’ll be fine.” No hazard pay, no increased benefits or anything, just, “Go to work. Good luck, hope you don’t get sick and die, and hope you don’t bring it home to your families.” I was paying a small fortune in childcare because my daughter was doing remote learning, I didn’t get extra money for that. A couple stimulus checks, that came and went, because everything else was going up.

    So yeah, we hear the same stories. We’re working long hours, forced overtime. Some workers are working seven days a week, 12 hour days, 90 days in a row. I mean, that’s just insane. And we’re given more and more, and companies are making billions off of our backs. And I’ve heard it too in your sector. I have friends who work in craft service, and IATSE, tech, gaffers, electricians, and they work some long-ass hours, man. I was like, “I don’t even know how I would schedule that with childcare and school pickup and dropoffs.” And shout out to everybody in that sector as well. So yeah, we’re all fed up, we’re all trying to get what we’re worth. And it’s about time that everybody across the board, I mean, I just remember hearing about, during the pandemic, with the Kellogg strike and John Deere and other strikes, and this is definitely having a trickle effect. And every day now, we see more and more people are walking out because we’re fed up. Casino workers, a few thousand in Detroit right now, some that are UAW, and pretty soon maybe 50,000 casino workers in Las Vegas ready to shut that down.

    So these issues, we can all relate, we’re all feeling the dent in our pocketbooks, like, “Why can’t I afford to do this anymore? Why am I borrowing more? Why am I putting this on a credit card? And why am I not able to pay off these debts, or save, or go on vacation or anything, just enjoy life?” So yeah, I mean, it’s being felt everywhere. I remember when I was an apprentice over 20 years ago, an electrician, an old-timer would tell me, he would always complain, but it was great hearing his story, he’s like, “I remember when I started, a truck was a quarter of our pay. Now it’s half of our pay.” Fast-forward to now, a brand new truck is about a year’s worth of an auto worker’s pay. So you have to really think hard if you’re going to buy a brand new truck or car even. So that’s just one example of the situation that’s being felt all across the board.

    So just to go on to this last point that you were talking about, Max, how we can help each other. We can, I think just from showing support, join a picket line, give us a honk, drop off food supplies. We’re in constant need of firewood as these nights get colder. And it’s just great seeing the solidarity, like I said, not just locally, but from around the world. What happens here, not just the auto workers strike, it’s going to affect workers across the country and across the world. Just from hearing from my Brazilian comrades south of the border, when the big three started the tier system, they started that then there too. So whatever we win, they hope to win as well. Our fight is their fight and vice versa.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Hell yeah, I think that’s beautifully and powerfully put from both of you. And I do want to make the final turn here and end on that note, but it’s just, again, we’ve gone over this in the podcast that I recorded with Marcie and two of her union siblings, the all-UAW worker solidarity livestream that we did right here on The Real News a couple of weeks back, but it bears repeating that also these auto companies are making record profits as well, just like the hotels and casinos in Vegas, just like Hollywood studios, just like so many of these companies and their Wall Street-backed in investors and shareholders that have essentially figured out that they can squeeze workers and put us all in this perpetual race to the bottom that Marcie described, that, “We can cut operating costs, we can again pile more work onto fewer workers. We can try to automate what we can automate with AI or what have you, even if it means a diminishing quality of product for the consumer. It’s just cutting our operating costs so that we can siphon all of that excess out into the pockets of our executives and our shareholders.”

    This is a vampiric takeover of our society, where these just blood-sucking executives and shareholders are taking everything off the backs of workers, they’re screwing over their consumers, because another thing I want to mention here is that, and we got into this more with past interviews we did with WGA and SAG-AFTRA folks, is when the studios say, “Oh, we’re going to use AI to create new content.” What they are admitting to you, the consumer, is like, “The content’s not going to be good, it’s just going to be cheap. That’s why we want it. We’re going to give you whatever slop that we can crank out as long as the cost is low. And if we have that monopoly on the means of creation that Diany was talking about, where else are you going to go for your content?”

    So you’re going to just sit back, you’re going to watch it, you’re going to put up with things like crappy, or less-than-quality series that was pumped out in a short amount of time, the writers, the actors were paid little for it, but it was turned around quickly. Or you’re going to see stuff like we’re seeing now, series that you’re super invested in get canceled after a single season and then taken off Netflix or Hulu or whatnot so that the companies can write it off on their taxes. They don’t give a shit about you or me as consumers, nor do they give a shit about their workers, they only care about profit.

    That’s exactly what the railroad workers were telling us all last year. The railroad companies led by their Wall Street shareholders have been cutting their workforce year after year after year, driving their workers into the ground, workers are quitting in record numbers, they’re dying on the job. And at the same time, the shippers who have to use the railroads are off because the rail companies are also jacking up prices on them, just like Hollywood casinos and hotels, even though they are having fewer guest reservations than they did this time in 2019, they are charging 40% more for each booking than they did just a few short years ago. So again, I hope I’m communicating this well, because as you guys can tell, I’m frustrated and fired up, but this is a thing that has taken hold all across the board.

    This is why healthcare workers are going on strike at Kaiser Permanente and beyond, because these corporate conglomerates that have been buying up all the different independent hospitals and bringing them under the umbrella of these other healthcare oligopolies, they’re doing the same thing, they’re piling more patients onto fewer healthcare workers, they’re not paying them enough to keep up with the cost of living. And so we have a massive slow-motion crisis in the healthcare industry. Every healthcare worker I’ve talked to is burnt out, they are exhausted, they are thinking of leaving the industry, they’re worried that they can’t give the quality of care they’ve been trained to give to their patients because they have too many patients and not enough people and they’re not getting paid enough. So this is what the race to the bottom looks like, and this is why we need to stop with the bullshit and stop saying like, “Oh, the SAG-AFTRA actors, they don’t count, they’re not as working class as the auto workers, so we’re not going to support them. Oh, the Pittsburgh Post Gazette workers who have been on strike for over a year now, they’re not as blue collar as the railroad workers, so we’re not going to support them.”

    That is just what the bosses want, I cannot stress that enough, you are doing their work for them and you are undercutting your fellow worker by allowing yourself to convince yourself that some workers are more worthy of your solidarity than others. And so I hope, if nothing else, that what comes out of these livestreams, what comes out of you hearing directly from workers like Diany and Marcie is that we are all working people. As the great speech in the movie Matewan put it, there are two kinds of people in this world, people who work and people who don’t. You work, Diany, Marcie work, they don’t. The AMPTP, they don’t work. The CEOs of Stellantis and Ford and GM, they don’t fucking work. They don’t earn $29 million a year like GM’s CEO Mary Barra does, there’s no way you could do enough work to earn that much money. You only get it by exploiting, by extracting, by all this crap.

    All right, sorry, I’m going off on a rant here. I just really wanted to stress to people that I don’t want to be looking in the comments of this video and seeing like, “Oh, screw the SAG-AFTRA workers, but support for the UAW members.” If that’s your mentality, then congratulations, you’ve played yourself and you’ve screwed over the movement. So in my opinion, get out of the way if that’s how you’re going to be, because we need people to be showing up for these workers for as long as it takes until we win. And that’s what I want to end on here. I wanted to ask just with a few minutes, we don’t have long, but I want to go to Diany then Marcie and ask where things stand now with the SAG-AFTRA and UAW strikes, and what can folks out there watching do to support y’all right now?

    Diany Rodriguez:

    Fuck yeah. Where we stand right now is that we are in a standstill, the AMPTP has left the negotiating table, and we don’t control when they come back. So we may be in this into 2024 and beyond, so we’ll see. And also, I don’t mean to victimize SAG-AFTRA, I appreciate solidarity from everyone, and we give everyone else solidarity as well. And I think another place that we are right now, which is very exciting actually, I think this round of negotiations and AMPTP work stoppages has led to things that I don’t know a lot of people have realized, animators are starting to unionize now as well. Disney animators are unionizing. It’s insane to me that the animation industry was one of the last bastions of unionized workers. So they were like, “Oh, let’s dip our toes in the water.” And I’m all for it.

    Our production assistants, PAs are now trying to join IATSE, and they have successfully gotten enough membership together so that they can form a charter to join the IATSE union. And that’s a wonderful development that I think is wonderful for right now. We’re in a standstill as far as strike-wise. As far as how people can support, I would say talk about it, normalize talking about it, normalize talking about workers’ rights, normalize talking about equity. But honestly, what I think is a big thing that we can all do is join a union. Right now is a huge time, if you are a pre-SAG member out there right now or SAG-eligible, join the union. If you’re one of those people in the comments who loves to troll, and y’all don’t understand, Diany has a tough skin, I do not care what you post in the comments. So post it, because then you’ll post it, it’ll get out of your system, and then you’ll give yourself time to think, because if you think we should just get back to work, or you think we should just get back to work because we have a job and we’re inconveniencing you, I would challenge you to unionize at your workplace, because instead of pinning ourselves against each other, look how much you can get done by collectively bargaining in your own self-interests.

    Another way that we can do it, and again, I said this on the last podcast, the unions have not called for this, but we’re not making money off the residuals off streamers anyways. So if you’re feeling like you have a lovely little bug up your butt, cut ties with your streamers. Let’s let the CEO start feeling that. And again, because all these people have these other streams of revenue that the regular workers don’t have, I don’t know if the auto industry is calling for this, but things for us, if you cut ties with streamers, if you stop going to Disney World, because Bob Iger is still making money off of that, that we are not, stop going to Disney World. Do what you can to take care of you and yours. And if we stop being as consumer heavy, because I know in our deepest fear, in our deepest desires, we would all love to be millionaires. Sure, that’s awesome. That’s a thing that keeps everyone else from being in solidarity with the modern worker, they want to be millionaires. So if we stop making other people feel like they have the means to become millionaires, it starts to equalize, and then people start to feel like they’re losing their power.

    So stop giving millionaires their money and start hoarding it for yourself. If we stop being as consumer heavy, then we can start concentrating more on ourselves, on the worker, and we can start to equalize. Cut ties with those streamers. It’s hard to tell people, but start to be more in solidarity. Go out, attend a march. Go on the internet, look where these workers are going, look what they’re unionizing, look where they’re picking. Attend a march, talk to them when you attend a march, look at them and see how they are. Like Marcie, they’re family members, they have kids in schools, they attend meetings, they’re community members. Talk to them, see how they matter, just like you, start to try to, I want everybody to start to change their perspective on this stuff. We’re all workers, and we are all working and fighting for the modern-day worker.

    So start to think of yourself as a modern-day worker. That’s the best thing I can tell people to do moving forward. Don’t separate yourself from the plight of the modern-day worker. Think of yourself as a modern-day worker, and think about how you want to fight for yourself in your best interest, and start to look at us as people who are fighting and working in your best interests, because we are. We are not against you, we are for you. And it’s your job out there in the world to find out how you can be for yourself, and therefore for us, as opposed to for them, because I promise you, those billionaires, those millionaires, those corporate CEOs that are making money off of your back, they are not for you.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Hell yeah. All right, Marcie, what do you got? [inaudible 01:18:17].

    Marcie Pedraza:

    What she said. Yeah, I can reiterate what she said. Yeah, just organize the world, join a union, form a union in your workplace. Don’t get me started on these trolls on TikTok, I try not to read them, because a lot of us, this has taken a toll on our physical and mental health, just being a worker, just trying to survive. So some of the comments are just ridiculous. And then some of these people, they have jobs too, besides being an influencer or whatever, but I don’t want to be mad at them, I don’t want to hate, but I wonder how much better their lives would be if they were to just talk to people face to face and get our stories, and we could share stories, and like, “Well, yeah, your job sounds pretty shitty too. Maybe you should be fighting for more money.”

    The first thing they want to say is like, “Oh, the cost of cars are going to go up.” Like anything, like in the fight for 15, which now should be the fight for 25, “The cost of burgers are going to go up.” They’re going to raise the cost of this anyway. The labor costs on a car is only four to 5% of the vehicle. So no matter what, they’ve been price gouging these vehicles for years. No wonder why most of us can’t afford the products we make. So organize your workforce, organize in your community, find something you’re passionate about. I seem to keep busy with the environmental justice movement, especially being in a sacrifice zone where we experience environmental racism. We’re fighting for a better planet, because what is the good of a job if you don’t have a planet to work on? And we deserve clean air, water, and land and a safe workplace. These green jobs should be union jobs. We’re fighting for new green schools. We’re fighting to get the lead service lines replaced, because in Chicago we have the highest amount of lead service lines in the country.

    Just get out there and find a cause that you’re passionate about, be involved in your community, talk to people, come to the picket lines, hear our stories. I mean, I’m fortunate, Chicago is a union town, we get a lot of support from other unions. I know a lot of teachers’ unions just because I’m involved in my daughter’s school and the neighborhood. We have nurses coming, other trades, people come and join in the picket lines. So it’s just been great seeing that. And if we can just be human to each other and not fighting, then maybe we’ll have a shot at this, maybe we can win and defeat these greedy bosses and the greedy corporations, because otherwise they’re still just going to have us on a string doing what they want us to do, is fight each other, and fight for our own living wage.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Hell yeah. I think that is beautifully, powerfully put by both of you. As we say all the time here at The Real News, no one can do everything, but everyone can do something. And so please, to all of you watching and listening out there, do something, all of it matters. That is the great Marcie Pedraza, a union electrician at Ford’s Chicago Assembly Plant, and a member of UAW Local 551. And the great Diany Rodriguez, a rank-and-file SAG-AFTRA member, and also a driver, eater, and cat lover. Marcie, Diany, thank you both so much for joining us today on The Real News Network, I really, really appreciate it. And solidarity from Baltimore.

    Marcie Pedraza:

    Thank you. Solidarity forever.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    To all of you watching, this is Maximillian Alvarez signing off. Before you go, please head on over to the real news.com/support, or click the fundraiser on this livestream itself so that you can support our work, so we can keep bringing y’all more important coverage and conversations just like this, because we got a lot more that we got to cover. In the meantime, take care of yourselves, take care of each other, solidarity forever.

    This post was originally published on The Real News Network.

  • This story is co-published with The Guardian and produced in partnership with the Toni Stabile Center for Investigative Journalism and the Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University. It is part of Record High, a Grist series examining extreme heat and its impact on how — and where — we live.

    Jasmine Granillo was eager for her older brother, Roendy, to get home. With their dad’s long hours at his construction job, Roendy always tried to make time for his sister. He had promised to take her shopping at a local flea market when he returned from work. 

    “I thought my brother was coming home,” Granillo said. 

    Roendy Granillo was installing floors in Melissa, Texas, in July 2015. Temperatures had reached 95 degrees Fahrenheit when he began to feel sick. He asked for a break, but his employer told him to keep working. Shortly after, he collapsed. He died on the way to the hospital from heat stroke. He was 25 years old. 

    A few months later, the Granillo family joined protesters on the steps of Dallas City Hall for a thirst strike to demand water breaks for construction workers. Jasmine, only 11 years old at the time, spoke to a crowd about her brother’s death. She said that she was scared, but that she “didn’t really think about the fear.” 

    “I just knew that it was a lot bigger than me,” she said.

    A woman holds a rectangular folded flag near other people looking to the right
    Jasmine Granillo on the steps of the U.S. Capitol during another thirst strike on July 25, 2023. Tom Williams / CQ Roll Call

    In December 2015, shortly after the protest, Dallas became the second city in Texas to pass an ordinance mandating water breaks for construction workers, following Austin in 2010. These protections, however, were rescinded last month when the state legislature implemented a new law blocking the local ordinances. 

    “I was baffled,” Granillo said. “You should be able to sit down and have a water break if you need to — if your life is on the line.” 

    As climate change fuels record high temperatures across the country, the number of workers who die from heat on the job has doubled since the early 1990s. Over 600 people died on the job from heat between 2005 and 2021, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. But federal regulators say these numbers are “vast underestimates,” because the health impacts of heat, the deadliest form of weather event, are infamously hard to track, especially in work environments. Medical examiners often misrepresent heat stroke as other illnesses, like heart failure, making them easy cases for workplace safety inspectors to miss. Some researchers estimate that the number of workplace fatalities is more likely in the thousands — every year.

    Outdoor workers can be exposed to extreme temperatures. Grist / Columbia University

    Workers who already lack labor rights are often the most at risk. In many states, undocumented laborers drive outdoor industries like agriculture, landscaping, and construction. Labor advocates say it’s easier for these workers to be denied basic necessities like water, rest breaks, or even time to use the bathroom because many fear that they’ll be retaliated against and deported if they report unsafe working conditions. Between 2010 and 2021, one-third of all worker heat fatalities were Latinos.

    Yet there are almost no regulations at local, state, or federal levels across the United States to protect workers.

    In 2021, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, or OSHA, announced its intent to start the process of creating protections to mandate access to water, rest, and shade for outdoor workers exposed to dangerous levels of heat. But it’s uncertain whether such a rule will ever be implemented, and most OSHA regulations take an average of seven years to be finalized. In July, Democratic representatives introduced a bill that would force OSHA to speed up this process. It was their third attempt. They have failed to secure enough votes every time.

    In the absence of federal protections, some states have attempted to pass their own regulations after experiencing worker fatalities during record-breaking heat waves. But trade groups for impacted industries, like agriculture and construction, have strongly opposed these efforts, claiming that such rules are costly and unnecessary. Statewide heat regulations have been blocked in some of the hottest regions of the county. Currently, just five states — California, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, and Minnesota — have heat-related protections for workers.

    “We’re asking for something so simple,” Granillo said. “Something that could save so many lives.” 


    Earlier this year, Paul Moradkhan, a representative from the Las Vegas Chamber of Commerce, spoke to a committee of Nevada lawmakers. They were deciding whether to implement heat protections for indoor and outdoor workers. Nevada is one of the fastest-warming states in the country, and heat-related complaints reported to workplace safety regulators more than doubled between 2016 and 2021. Moradkhan was joined by representatives from the Nevada Home Builders Association, the Nevada Resort Association, the Nevada Restaurant Association, and the Associated Builders and Contractors of Nevada, among other industry groups, all there to argue against the proposal. 

    “While these requirements may appear to be common sense,” Moradkhan said at the hearing, “we do believe these regulations can be complicated, egregious, burdensome, and confusing.” 

    The campaign was straight from a playbook that industry groups across the country have deployed to fight worker heat protections in recent years: claiming that regulations already address heat illness, businesses already protect workers, and that a one-size-fits-all approach will be costly and ineffective. 

    When Virginia’s Department of Labor and Industry tried to pass a heat standard in 2020, several industry groups stated that businesses should protect workers from heat in the manner best for them. The Associated General Contractors of Virginia wrote to regulators that “a one-size-fits-all approach” would harm an employer’s ability to “protect employees from heat-related illnesses.” The Prince William Chamber of Commerce, which represents the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area, wrote in a public comment that the changes being proposed were already “in practice by many, if not all businesses … operating in Virginia,” and that “requiring 15 minute break[s] each hour will hurt businesses’ bottom lines.”

    The state’s Safety and Health Codes Board ultimately rejected the proposal. 

    A billboard that shows 110F
    A billboard displays the temperature in Phoenix, Arizona, on July 16 during a record-breaking heat wave. Brandon Bell / Getty Images

    In some states, industry influence has been strong enough that business leaders haven’t needed to debate the issue publicly. 

    Labor advocates in Florida have demanded that lawmakers pass heat protections for outdoor workers for the past five years. There have been more attempts to pass a heat protection bill in Florida than in any other state — but almost all of them have died without being heard in a single committee meeting. Industry groups have not spoken out publicly against these proposals, but lobbyists, activists, and lawmakers who support worker protections told Grist they are most likely conducting private conversations with state representatives to garner opposition.

    “So much of this happens behind closed doors,” said Democratic State Representative Anna Eskamani, who has sponsored the bill each session. Business lobbyists would “rather just cut you a check and avoid the media attention,” rather than vocally oppose a pro-worker bill, she said. 

    In 2020, after years of advocacy from organized labor, the Maryland legislature passed a bill requiring the state’s Occupational Safety and Health Advisory Board to develop a heat standard for workers. Industry groups opposed the bill during state congressional hearings, but did not submit any public comments to regulators when they began to draft the rule. 

    A man pours water on his face in the hot sun
    A construction worker pours water on his face to cool off as he digs a sanitation pipe ditch during a heatwave in 2022 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Mark Makela / Getty Images

    The proposal that regulators presented after two years shocked activists. It allowed businesses themselves to decide what heat conditions were safe in their workplaces and didn’t require them to create any written heat safety plans. 

    “It took them two and a half years to draft this and it’s two pages long,” said Scott Schneider, the director of occupational safety and health at the nonprofit Laborers’ Health and Safety Fund of North America, who helped petition for the regulation. “We said to them, ‘This is ridiculous, if it isn’t written down, how is it enforceable?’” — referring to the fact that the regulation does not require businesses to write down their safety plans. 

    Advocates pushed Maryland Secretary of Labor Portia Wu to revise the rule. A representative from her office said they are currently working “to review and re-examine the standard,” but would not state whether Maryland’s rule would ultimately be amended.  

    After five years of inaction by the Florida legislature, WeCount! — a local labor group fighting for heat protections — spearheaded an effort to take their battle to the county level. The group pushed the Miami-Dade County Board of Supervisors to pass its own rule, hoping that the largely Latino and bipartisan district would be more sympathetic. The Miami area sees temperatures above 90 degrees for over a third of the year, a more than 60 percent increase over the last half century, putting those who work outside at considerable risk.

    On September 11, the board’s Community Health Committee pushed the bill forward. It seemed possible that a heat rule could finally come to fruition in the state. 

    A man with a megaphone speaks to a small group of protesters
    Workers and advocates with the organization WeCount! gather for a rally on June 21 in Miami to demand workplace protections against extreme heat. AP Photo / Wilfredo Lee

    Industry groups decided to change their strategy and began to publicly oppose the measure. A long line of speakers representing the state’s agriculture and construction industries addressed the committee, calling the bill costly and convoluted. Barney Rutzke Jr., president of the Miami-Dade Farm Bureau, who spoke at the hearing, questioned the need for the regulation, claiming that there are “already OSHA rules and standards in place.” When a worker is seriously injured, OSHA can fine employers if they determine that their workplaces are unsafe, but the agency has no specific requirements that businesses must follow concerning heat. Carlos Carillo, executive director of the South Florida chapter of the Associated General Contractors of America, said that “a vote for the ordinance is a vote against Miami-Dade’s construction and agricultural businesses.” 

    “They are scared,” said Esteban Wood, WeCount!’s policy director, “because they think that it might pass.”


    While the hottest regions of the country have blocked heat protections for workers, there are some states in the West that have gotten it right, reacting to mounting worker deaths. 

    During a blistering three-week heat wave in California’s Central Valley in 2005, temperatures reached 105 degrees as Constantino Cruz struggled to sort thousands of tomatoes on top of a mechanical harvester. When his shift ended, Cruz collapsed. He was one of six workers to die from heat on the job in California that summer. United Farm Workers, one of the most powerful agricultural unions in the country, pushed lawmakers to respond. Shortly after Cruz’s death, his family joined Governor Schwartzenegger to announce an emergency heat protection for outdoor workers. A year later, the first statewide heat standard was enacted.  

    But the deaths continued. 

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    A farmworker picks grapes in Lamont, California in 2021 while dealing with extreme heat and drought conditions. Frederic J. Brown / AFP via Getty Images

    The year after the law passed, three more farm workers died, and in 2007, regulators found that more than half of the employers they audited were violating the new rule. 

    United Farm Workers, a labor union, and the American Civil Liberties Union, or ACLU, sued California’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration, or Cal-OSHA, charging that the agency had failed to protect workers from heat. In 2015, Cal-OSHA settled the lawsuit by agreeing to strengthen its regulation, mandating rest breaks every two hours when temperatures reached 95 degrees and special emergency medical plans for heat illness. 

    Researchers began to see results. The Washington Center for Equitable Growth, a nonprofit research organization, analyzed worker compensation data in California and found that workplace injuries from heat had declined 30 percent since the state created its regulation. 

    California’s heat rule became a model for other states, and its neighbor to the north also recently finalized heat protections.

    In 2021, an unprecedented heat wave descended on the Pacific Northwest, killing around 800 people in Oregon, Washington, and Colorado. In Portland, Oregon, temperatures reached 116 degrees, buckling sidewalks and melting electrical cables. Millions of shellfish were decimated along the Pacific coast

    Labor rights activists had been petitioning Oregon state regulators for years to protect outdoor workers from heat. But until the 2021 disaster, “I think we all kind of thought of heat as an inconvenience more than an actual, lethal threat,” Kate Suisman, an attorney and campaign coordinator with the Northwest Workers’ Justice Project, said. That changed quickly.

    A person with a bandana over their face and long sleeves picks peaches from a tree
    A worker picks peaches from the last crop of the season in Fort Valley, Georgia on July 23. Due to weather extremes earlier in the year, the farm’s peach season ended a month earlier than usual. Joe Raedle / Getty Images

    Oregon OSHA passed the strongest heat protections in the country, covering both indoor and outdoor workers, in 2022. Washington and Colorado created their own standards that same year. 

    “It was an immediate hazard,” said Ryan Allen, a regulator for Washington’s Department of Occupational Safety and Health, who helped oversee the state’s rule-making process. “We needed to address it.”

    Elizabeth Strater, an organizer with United Farm Workers in Washington, said that their effort faced “robust pushback” from industry leaders in agriculture and construction. But strong coalitions of labor groups, environmental advocates, and immigrant rights organizations were able to persuade policymakers to act. The visible impacts of climate change that summer helped build a consensus among advocates and regulators that heat was becoming a threat to everyone in the state. 

    The reality was setting in that “heat is coming for us all,” Strater said.

    In 2022, Oregon Manufacturers and Commerce, Associated Oregon Loggers, Inc., and Oregon Forest & Industries Council sued the state’s OSHA to block its new rule, arguing that heat is a general hazard that affects employees beyond the workplace and should therefore be treated as a public health risk, not a workplace issue. But their lawsuit was dismissed. 


    In Texas, industry opposition has been more effective. Over a decade after labor advocates successfully pushed for mandatory water breaks for construction workers in Austin and Dallas, State Representative Dustin Burrows, a Republican, introduced the Texas Regulatory Consistency Act, which bars cities and counties from adopting stricter regulations than the state.

    A pesron hangs a sign near a blue umbrella
    A worker from CNS Signs hangs a sign outside a building amid a 2022 heatwave in El Centro, California. Mario Tama / Getty Images

    The new legislation is alarming, said David Chincanchan, policy director at the labor rights group Workers Defense Project. Before, policymakers were simply ignoring their demands, he said. “Now they’ve moved beyond inaction to obstruction.”

    Around the same time that Burrows introduced the Texas Regulatory Consistency Act, State Representative Maria Luisa Flores, a Democrat, authored a bill that would’ve created an advisory board responsible for establishing statewide heat protections and set penalties for employers that violate the standard. Her bill never got a hearing. 

    The issue “just wasn’t a priority for the leadership,” she said.

    Houston and San Antonio have fought back, suing the state on the grounds that the new act violates the Texas Constitution. It’s unknown whether their lawsuit will be able to overturn the law. 

    Jasmine Granillo worries that her father, who still works in construction, faces the same risks her brother did. She encourages him to take breaks, but sometimes his employers push him to work beyond his limits, she said. Motivated by her brother’s death, Granillo has decided to pursue medicine, and the 19-year-old continues to advocate for heat protections to honor Roendy.  

    “I know that doing this will always keep him alive,” she said.


    Victoria D. Lynch, a postdoctoral research scientist at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health, contributed to this project. Heat-related data were produced and processed by Robbie M. Parks, an environmental epidemiologist and Assistant Professor at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health, and Cascade Tuholske, a geographer and Assistant Professor at Montana State University.

    This story was originally published by Grist with the headline Workers are dying from extreme heat. Why aren’t there laws to protect them? on Oct 19, 2023.

    This post was originally published on Grist.

  • In Wilhelm von Humboldt’s book The Limits of State Action (1792), one of the most thoughtful expressions of classical liberalism, these passages appear:

    The true end of Man… is the highest and most harmonious development of his powers to a complete and consistent whole. Freedom is the first and indispensable condition which the possibility of such a development presupposes… Whatever does not spring from a man’s free choice, or is only the result of instruction and guidance, does not enter into his very being but still remains alien to his true nature; he does not perform it with truly human energies but merely with mechanical exactness…

    [T]he principle of the true art of social intercourse consists in a ceaseless endeavor to grasp the innermost individuality of another, to avail oneself of it, and, with the deepest respect for it as the individuality of another, to act upon it… The very variety arising from the union of numbers of individuals is the highest good which social life can confer, and this variety is undoubtedly lost in proportion to the degree of State interference. Under such a system, we have not so much the individual members of a nation living united in the bonds of a civil compact, but isolated subjects living in relation to the State…

    The entire book is an elaboration of these ideas. In them, we do not see a vulgar individualism, a reduction of humans to mere nodes in the cash-nexus who buy and sell to one another and need protection from each other, the kind of anti-humanism for which traditionalists and Marxists have criticized classical liberalism. We see, instead, an appreciation of the richness of every individuality; an emphasis on the human need for community, respect, friendship, and love; an anarchist critique of coercive institutions, in particular the state; a proto-Marxist theory of the alienation of labor; socialistic intimations that people have the right to control their own labor; in short, a liberal humanism of the sort that leftists of various persuasions would embellish in the following two centuries.

    If one were to believe the “postliberals” who have burst onto the ideological scene in recent years, liberalism doesn’t have the moral or intellectual resources for such a mature humanism. It seems they haven’t read Humboldt.

    Postliberalism has emerged in the UK and U.S. during the last ten years as a reaction against the manifest failures of what its thinkers call liberalism. The economic, social, political, and environmental crises that afflict the world they attribute to a systemic lack of regard for the “common good,” which, in turn, they attribute to a liberalism that has been horribly successful in its reduction of humans to atoms—“increasingly separate, autonomous, nonrelational selves replete with rights and defined by our liberty, but insecure, powerless, afraid, and alone.” So writes Patrick Deneen, professor of political science at the University of Notre Dame, in his 2018 book Why Liberalism Failed. Other vocal postliberals include Adrian Vermeule, Sohrab Ahmari, Yoram Hazony, Adrian Pabst, Chad Pecknold, Gladden Pappin, and some other writers associated with such magazines as American Affairs, UnHerd, and Compact. For all their differences, these writers share a rejection of any one-sided fixation on liberty, whether it be that of right-wing libertarianism—the “free market” doctrine to which the Republican Party is at least rhetorically committed—or left-wing social liberalism, the liberalism of identity politics. They seek to resuscitate ideas of social obligation, duty, community, and tradition, for example in the forms of family, church, and nation. The modern understanding of liberty is unhealthily and immorally licentious; better is the ancient and Christian conception that true freedom consists in self-control, self-discipline (under the constraints of tradition and religion), rather than slavish submission to base and hedonistic appetites.

    Postliberals, therefore, criticize the modern gospel of “progress” and its ideological cognates, alleged solvents of social bonds, such as “Enlightenment rationalism,” or the application of critical reason to all forms of order and authority for the sake of dismantling whatever isn’t emancipatory, liberal, or conducive to economic growth. Their perspective is reminiscent of that of the social theorist and historian Christopher Lasch, whose 1991 book The True and Only Heaven: Progress and Its Critics was an extended critique of the ideology of progress and a history of its dissenters in the United States. Preferring an honest recognition of ineluctable limits—not least ecological limits—over modern liberalism’s faith in endless economic growth, endless moral progress, and liberation from the benighted parochialism of the past, Lasch turned to the culture of the lower middle class as a more human and realistic alternative. Without denying the historical vices of this culture (“envy, resentment, and servility”), he was nevertheless impressed by “the moral conservatism of the petty bourgeoisie, its egalitarianism, its respect for workmanship, its understanding of the value of loyalty,” in general its rootedness, so different from the deracinated future-fixation—detachment from the past—of contemporary liberal elites. Postliberals share these concerns and values.

    What postliberalism amounts to, then, is a rejection of dominant tendencies of modernity. Some writers are more willing than others to acknowledge the positive achievements of liberalism—for instance, in The Politics of Virtue (2016), John Milbank and Adrian Pabst grant that liberalism “has afforded some protection against the worst transgressions upon the liberty of some by the liberty of others”—but, on the whole, postliberals are attracted to a kind of Burkean conservatism. “Right-wing on culture, left-wing on the economy” is how they are usually characterized. Through this formula, they think, it may be possible to bring back social cohesion, “the wisdom of tradition,” and respect for “the common good.”

    Two books published this year by leading lights of postliberalism, Patrick Deneen and Sohrab Ahmari, provide an opportunity to critically evaluate this “new” school of thought (perhaps not so new). On the one hand, Deneen’s Regime Change: Toward a Postliberal Future illustrates the weaknesses of the ideology; on the other hand, Ahmari’s Tyranny, Inc.: How Private Power Crushed American Liberty—and What to Do About It illustrates its potential strengths. Ultimately, however, despite its mutability, postliberalism is misguided and dangerous in its idealism, its theoretical confusions, its political naïveté, and many of its political commitments. It too easily slides into proto-fascism. What is valid in it can be and has been expressed more sophisticatedly by the Marxist left.

    Since it has the ear of some right-wing populists, such as J.D. Vance and Josh Hawley, and it seems to be growing in influence, this ideology should be taken seriously. Leftists may be able to find common ground with its advocates on certain issues, but in general, they should strongly resist this latest brand of conservatism.

    The Idealism of Postliberalism

    One of the major analytical flaws of postliberalism is, in fact, one of the weaknesses of all conservatism: its anti-Marxian idealism. In all his romantic talk of reverence for ancestral traditions, Edmund Burke abstracted from the actual daily functioning of these traditions, from their foundations in appalling violence, in constant violations of the dignity and freedom of the lower classes, in the irrationality of a nation’s being subject to the will of some arbitrary monarch who happened to be born to a previous monarch. A very different conservative, Milton Friedman, similarly abstracted from the daily realities of capitalism—the indignities of working for a boss, the suppression of the right to unionize, the violence in which the rule of capital is grounded—in his simplistic paeans to “freedom.” (His famous book Capitalism and Freedom (1962) consists of abstract idealizations like this one, chosen at random: “The kind of economic organization that promotes economic freedom directly, namely, competitive capitalism, also promotes political freedom because it separates economic power from political power and in this way enables the one to offset the other.” As if, in the real world, economic power doesn’t tend to confer political power!) Fascism was even worse: it idealized will, nation, race, the state, the Leader, and war, abstracting from the grubby realities of all these things.

    Being a type of conservatism, postliberalism does the same. Its very name is idealistic and simplistic. “Liberalism” can’t be the fundamental problem we face today for the simple reason that there isn’t only one liberalism, there are many. Among the classical liberals, there were British, French, American, and German figures, as diverse as John Locke, Wilhelm von Humboldt, Kant, Thomas Paine, William Godwin, John Stuart Mill, and Tocqueville. There were socialists, anarchists, and capitalists. There were deists, Protestants, Catholics, and atheists. There were democrats, republicans, and monarchists. And in the twentieth century, liberalism evolved in even more complex ways, towards social democracy and its protection not only of “negative liberty” but also “positive liberty,” as in the freedom of people to have a living wage, a home, an education, and affordable healthcare. Even the anarchist communism of Peter Kropotkin can be said, in some respects, to belong to the liberal tradition. In short, the core intuition of liberalism—“a general enlargement and freedom and rational direction of human life,” as Lionel Trilling described it—can be fleshed out institutionally in innumerable ways, including in socialism, i.e., people’s democratic control of their work. (In fact, one can argue that Marxism is but a continuation and conceptual deepening of the best traditions of liberalism.)

    Patrick Deneen’s two recent books—Why Liberalism Failed and Regime Change—exemplify the idealism of conservatism. Again and again, imposing a false unity on the liberal tradition, he blames liberalism for things that are more realistically attributed to capitalism. When he refers to “[recent] decades of liberal dismantling of cultural norms and political habits essential to self-governance,” what he means is capitalist dismantling. Liberalism is but an ideological attitude, a constellation of philosophies; capitalism—how people work, how they acquire property, how they exchange goods, how class relations are structured, how culture is produced and politics is organized—is the real basis for a way of life.

    When Deneen, in Why Liberalism Failed, writes that “[liberalism] has remade the world in its image, especially through the realms of politics, economics, education, science, and technology, all aimed at achieving supreme and complete freedom through the liberation of the individual from particular places, relationships, memberships, and even identities,” one recalls the words of an infinitely more profound thinker:

    “The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations… It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation… All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned…”

    No mere ideological “tendency” (to quote Trilling again) could achieve all this. It is the class structures of capitalism that have remade the world.

    Regime Change is shot through with idealism. The basic structure of the book is reasonable enough: in the first two chapters, Deneen diagnoses the faults of liberalism, including not only its ostensible ripping apart and atomizing of the social fabric but also its elevation of hypocritical liberal elites (“the managerial class,” the real power elite) who don’t care about “the people” but use identity politics to pretend they do, shredding the last vestiges of traditional norms in the process. In the next three chapters, he presents the postliberal vision. He calls this “common-good conservatism,” associating it with Burke, Benjamin Disraeli, and G. K. Chesterton, but more generally with “the classical and Christian tradition of the West—a common-good political order that seeks to harmonize the various contentious elements of any human society.” This conservatism aligns itself with the “common sense” of ordinary people, who “seek stability, predictability, and order within the context of a system that is broadly fair.” The solution to contemporary social ills is to implement the political philosophy of Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas, a “mixed constitution” (democratic and aristocratic) in which an elite much more noble than that of today will “work to improve the lives, prospects, and fate of the people,” as the people, in turn, demand excellence from the elite and themselves are influenced by the virtues of the new aristocracy.

    In the final two chapters, Deneen fills out his Aristotelian vision, which he calls “aristopopulism,” while also gesturing towards an answer as to how this glorious new society will be realized. His answer isn’t particularly satisfying: “an ennobling of our elite” will come about “through the force of a threat from the popolo [people],” that is, “through the efforts of an energized, forceful, and demanding populace.” This is pretty much all he says on the matter. Likewise, his sketches of the better world to come consist of empty bromides and exhortations. Rather than meritocracy, we need a society that integrates the “working-class ethos of social solidarity, family, community, church, and nation” with the “virtues of those blessed by privilege.” To combat racism, we shouldn’t embrace affirmative action or other divisive approaches but should resurrect Martin Luther King Jr.’s vision of a “deeper ‘integration.’” Tepidly criticizing the ardent nationalism of people like Yoram Hazony (author of The Virtue of Nationalism), National Review editor Rich Lowry, and other “national conservatives,” Deneen proposes instead “a new form of integration of local, national, and international” (italics in the original). What that concretely means he leaves unsaid. His practical program for reinfusing religion into social life is similarly perfunctory, containing little more than such vague entreaties as “a simple first step would be to publicly promote and protect a life of prayer.” Politics should be “a place for prayer, since politics is how we together seek to realize the good that is common.”

    One of the greatest swindles of postliberalism is its nostalgia for an idealized past. According to Deneen, the Enlightenment project of individual liberation required the overthrow of “older social forms that had taught and reinforced the cultivation of virtue.” Traditional institutions “protect the stability and order that most benefits ordinary people,” and in fact are deeply democratic “because they are the creation of countless generations of forebears” and “largely develop from the ‘bottom up.’” As it happens, feudalism wasn’t a particularly democratic institution that cultivated virtue. Nor was absolute monarchy. Nor was the Catholic Church, which, until the spirit of liberalism finally began to permeate it, was a rapacious tyranny that burned heretics, policed thought, crusaded against the advance of knowledge, and made common cause with autocrats everywhere. (Also, of course, it now has the distinction of systemically aiding and abetting child abuse.) However inspiring the figure and philosophy of Jesus may be, history has shown that religious institutions, like all administrative hierarchies, are prone to abusing their power unless suffused with the liberal spirit of respect for individual rights.

    This worship of religion is a classic instance of mistaken idealism. Postliberals are enamored of Christianity, attributing much of what is good in our civilization to its religious inheritance and much of what is bad to its abandonment of religion. Most of the time, they ignore questions about whether, after all, it is true that something called “God” exists or that Jesus is His son and was resurrected after dying for our sins, or any of the other dogmas of Christianity (or Judaism)—and rightly so, for in order to evaluate the plausibility of any proposition, it’s necessary to use the Enlightenment’s “rationalistic” method they dislike. With regard to socially relevant questions, they appear to have a pragmatist conception of truth: if a belief is useful, we might as well believe it. But is religion in fact useful? Its violent, tortured, bigoted history suggests otherwise. Nor is it at all clear that humans need religion in order to enjoy a healthy communal and family life or to heed the moral duties that bind us all together.

    Often, religion has functioned to undermine the well-being of communities and families. It isn’t a secret that conservative politicians use appeals to religion to convince people to vote against their economic interests. An infamous example is that of Governor Sam Brownback of Kansas, a religiose Christian who passed radical tax cuts in 2012 that, as the Brookings Institution summarizes, “led to sluggish growth, lower-than-expected revenues, and brutal cuts to government programs” like schools, housing, infrastructure, and police and fire protection. Similarly, for over a hundred years, businesses in the American South have used conservative Christianity to ward off the threat of unionism, helping to keep the region in a state of relative poverty. In Struggle for the Soul of the Postwar South (2015), historians Elizabeth and Ken Fones-Wolf describe how corporate executives in the postwar era relocated their factories to this region, where “chambers of commerce advertised the benefits [of] locating in a ‘distinctly religious city’ where the ‘labor is of native Anglo-Saxon stock—loyal and efficient.’” The CIO’s Operation Dixie was unable to overcome the resistance that evangelical Protestantism (among other forces) put up to unions.

    On the whole, then, postliberals have a rather uncritical attitude towards tradition and religion, as conservatives usually do. They’re nostalgic for a lost social cohesion, the lost unity of “Western culture.” As Adrian Pabst writes in Liberal World Order and Its Critics (2019), identity politics (combined with “corporate crony capitalism”) is “changing the fundamental character of Western civilisation from being a cultural community bound together by common values that define shared interests to a ‘business community’ based on sectional interests that promote divisive values.” But when, exactly, was “Western civilization” such a unitary entity? The history of Europe is the history of constant clashes, constant wars, constant struggles between different value systems and interests and cultures, long centuries of violence and bloody suppression of innumerable popular uprisings. Divisiveness is history. And idealism is false history.

    Buried under all the confusions and shallowness of postliberalism, however, there is a truth: throughout its five-hundred-year history, riven by war, privatization and the destruction of the commons, mass immiseration, and the crushing of democracy, capitalism has profoundly disrupted communities and uprooted identities. This is precisely why, or one reason why, leftists and “the people” have fought against it. Genuine leftists are well aware of the human need for roots, for order and stability and community. The great anarchist mystic Simone Weil even wrote a book entitled The Need for Roots: Prelude to a Declaration of Duties towards Mankind. “To be rooted is perhaps the most important and least recognized need of the human soul… Money destroys human roots wherever it is able to penetrate, by turning desire for gain into the sole motive.” There is no reason such a recognition should be incompatible with the best traditions of liberalism, for instance Humboldtian liberalism. That is, there is no reason a philosophy of individual rights and individual dignity should preclude a recognition of mutual obligations and the essentially social nature of humanity, including even a valorization of honorable traditions and shared norms that constrain unfettered liberty. This isn’t the place to delve into the philosophies of communism, socialism, and anarchism—the writings of Kropotkin, William Morris, Anton Pannekoek, Rudolf Rocker, Murray Bookchin, etc.—but the societies they envision are hardly licentious or degenerate or atomized. (Or remotely similar to the Soviet Union’s state capitalism, with which socialism and communism are absurdly associated.) They are eminently ordered, communal, and democratic, because they are grounded in a liberal humanist sensibility.

    Indeed, one might even say that the real reason the world is in such an awful state is the opposite of that given by postliberals: there is too little freedom, not too much. There is too much authoritarianism, not enough liberalism or democracy. In particular, the authoritarian structures known as corporations have overwhelming power—including over governments—which they certainly do not use in the interests of humanity, community, or social harmony. Noam Chomsky is surely right that classical liberalism, or libertarianism, in its profoundest forms is not only not fulfilled in capitalism but is actually incompatible with it, inasmuch as capitalism tends to violate both the negative and positive liberties (“freedom from” and “freedom to”) of ordinary people. A vast literature of the left, of journalism, and of historical scholarship exposes the tyrannical nature of capitalist institutions; for example, in 2017, the philosopher Elizabeth Anderson published a well-received book called Private Government: How Employers Rule Our Lives (and Why We Don’t Talk about It). (A corporation is “a government that assigns almost everyone a superior whom they must obey… [T]here is no rule of law… Superiors are unaccountable to those they order around. They are neither elected nor removable by their inferiors,” etc.) The most recent addition to this literature may be a surprise, though: Ahmari’s new book.

    Tyranny, Inc. could not be more different from Regime Change. It appears, in fact, that Ahmari is undergoing a semi-conversion to the left, or to aspects of the left. It is striking, after all, that a postliberal should have written a book the very subtitle and substance of which valorizes “American liberty.” Whereas Deneen wallows in a lazy idealism that traffics in windy abstractions like virtue, excellence, and tradition, Ahmari investigates the material conditions workers have faced under the neoliberal onslaught, together with the corrupt political economy that has brought about these abysmal conditions. Where Deneen believes that an enlightened Aristotelian aristocracy will magically come into being and work to uplift the people, Ahmari comprehends the essential fact of class struggle and advocates the resurrection of strong unions and social democracy. He even uses Marxist language: “cultural norms, practices, and beliefs…rest on a material substrate that includes law, politics, and economics.” In short, while Deneen and his co-thinkers blame a unitary ideology of their imagination called liberalism, Ahmari, at least in this book, blames capitalism.

    One can’t help wondering if the postliberal gang is a little unhappy with Ahmari’s semi-apostasy. Consider his criticisms of conservatives in his concluding chapter:

    [C]onservative defenders of the [social] system are often the first to lament its cultural ramifications: …a decline in civic and religious engagement, particularly among the poor and working classes; low rates of marriage and family formation; and so on.

    …[What results] is a downright ludicrous politics centered on preaching timeless virtues while denying what political theory going back to the Greeks has taught, and what every good parent or teacher knows: that cultivating virtue requires tangible, structural supports. A child will struggle to master honesty if his parents routinely model dishonesty; a body politic will likewise spurn the virtues if subjected to merciless economic exploitation.

    It’s true that more populist conservatives these days are prepared to defend right-wing cultural values against ‘woke capital.’ But few if any dare question the coercive power of capital itself. Dig into the policy platforms of tub-thumping GOP populists, and you will likely find effusions of unreserved praise for capitalism.

    Here, he is coming close to the realization that right-wing populism is completely phony, that it has always functioned to distract from the class conflicts that are fundamentally responsible for popular suffering, so that a large portion of the public instead rages against LGBTQ people, liberals, Muslims, immigrants, Jews, Communists, China, and anyone else not big business. To be sure, postliberals don’t effusively praise capitalism, as other populist conservatives do. But if they really valued “the common good” about which they prattle, they would, like leftists and the new-and-improved Ahmari, direct their ire at the chief agents of the collapse of community, family, morality, and the natural environment, namely the capitalist class. Otherwise they’re in danger of being useful idiots for this class that is interested only in further shredding the social compact.

    Tyranny, Inc. is dense with journalistic investigations of a litany of types of “coercion” corporations inflict today on employees and the public, informed by a competent telling of the history behind it all (relying on scholars like Karl Polanyi, John Kenneth Galbraith, and David Harvey). Among other topics, Ahmari illuminates the many ways in which the sacred doctrine of “liberty of contract” between employer and employee conceals chasmic disparities in power that can ruin people’s lives. He illustrates the capture of the judiciary by the corporate sector. He exposes the predations of private equity, including its use of private emergency services (firefighting firms, ambulance companies) to fleece unsuspecting innocents of tens of thousands of dollars. He discusses the ongoing evisceration by Big Tech and Big Finance of the U.S.’s newspaper industry, which has seen almost a third of its newspapers shutter since 2005 (while many of the remainder are gutted by their new Wall Street owners). And so on. The most viable solution to all these tragedies, he argues, is to revive Galbraithian countervailing power. “Once more, it’s up to the American worker to drag our politicians and corporate leaders into a new consensus.”

    Insofar as Ahmari remains a postliberal, his book shows the mutability of this ideology. Its proponents can choose any particular agenda to devote their energies to, whether reconstituting unions and social democracy, advocating a Catholic theocracy (like Adrian Vermeule), fighting against the rights of non-heteronormative people, seeking a much more restrictive immigration regime, denouncing so-called “liberal” interventionist foreign policy, or prohibiting the teaching of the history of racism in the U.S.’s public schools. Rhetorically at least, all of this can be defended in terms of shoring up the disintegrating social order and protecting “communal solidarity.” In a sense, this mutability can be considered a strength, for it allows postliberalism to appeal to people of very different values and interests. But it is the strength of fascism, an ideology that likewise prided itself on being postliberal. Fascism was no less resourceful in appealing to different groups of people, including peasants, landowners, industrialists, the petty bourgeois, racists, traditionalists, even a small minority of workers, who were told their interests would be represented in the great community of the nation bound together by common traditions. In practice, of course, fascism, as a species of conservatism, ended up representing above all the interests of the ruling class, while crushing unions and working-class political parties.

    The Proto-Fascism of Postliberalism

    Tyranny, Inc. shows that leftists can find common cause with postliberals on some issues. To the extent that someone of the right really does care about the common good, or rather the good of the vast majority (to which the good of the ruling class tends to be inimical, since its power rests on the exploitation of others), a socialist might well be willing to work together with him. Such an alliance, necessarily limited and conditional, is often ridiculed as “red-brownism” by leftists, but it does happen in politics that people of different ideologies cooperate on a political campaign or policy that will conduce to the greater good. A politics that rests on maintaining one’s purity is unlikely to get very far.

    Nevertheless, it is undeniable that postliberalism is very dangerous, potentially fascist. Insofar as it is anti-liberal—which left-leaning postliberals, such as Adrian Pabst, are not—this isn’t a difficult case to make. “Within the West, Hungary has set the standard for a reasonable approach,” Gladden Pappin believes. Vermeule deplores the expansiveness of liberal rights: “Yesterday the frontier was divorce, contraception, and abortion; then it became same-sex marriage; today it is transgenderism; tomorrow it may be polygamy, consensual adult incest, or who knows what.” In Conservatism: A Rediscovery (2022), Yoram Hazony argues that “cultivation of the national religion is an indispensable purpose of government.” He goes so far as to affirm, quoting Irving Kristol, that “there is no inherent right to self-government if it means that such government is vicious, mean, squalid, and debased.” But who is to make such a judgment? Why is your definition of what is right and good necessarily better than someone else’s? Are you infallible? What gives a reactionary religious nationalist like Hazony the right to impose his vision of the good life on an entire society?

    Apart from the noxious political commitments of most postliberals, there is an even deeper problem: in conditions in the United States today, to ground one’s politics in attacking liberalism is to undermine postliberals’ own professed values of “national resilience,” “common purposes,” and the “social covenant” (to quote Adrian Pabst’s Postliberal Politics). This is because the chief beneficiaries are the forces most aggressively sabotaging these values, the Republican Party and reactionaries in the business community.

    To put it bluntly, postliberals’ embrace of politicians like J.D. Vance, Josh Hawley, even (in some cases) Donald Trump, and their hope for an authentically populist, working-class Republican Party, is incredibly naïve. Nor is it new. At least since (in fact, before) Richard Nixon’s Southern Strategy, Republican politicians have been clothing themselves in populist garb, stoking culture wars and denouncing liberal elites in order to cleave the “working-class” vote from Democrats. As Nixon’s vice president, Spiro Agnew traveled the country attacking “permissivists,” “elitists,” “radical liberals,” “thieves, traitors, and perverts.” Reagan liked to invoke the “postliberal” themes of family and community: “When they [Democrats] talk about family, they mean Big Brother in Washington. When we talk about family, we mean ‘honor thy father and mother.’” These themes, of course, have been a mainstay of Republican rhetoric for generations. “I am here to say to America,” Bob Dole pontificated, “do not abandon the great traditions that stretch to the dawn of our history. Do not topple the pillars of those beliefs—God, family, honor, duty, country—that have brought us through time and time again.” George W. Bush preached the virtues of compassionate conservatism, which proved to be just as oxymoronic as common-good conservatism will doubtless be. Today, the enemies du jour are critical race theory, transgenderism, and wokeness, but the underlying strategy is always the same.

    And what does that strategy eventuate in? Tax cuts for the rich, gutting of regulations to protect the environment, and a war on workers and the poor. Trump’s NLRB waged an “unprecedented” attack on workers’ rights. His administration weakened or eliminated over 125 policies that protected the country’s air, water, and land. His budgets savagely slashed benefits for low-income Americans, continuing a longstanding Republican practice. The great “populist” senators Hawley and Vance give, at best, tokenistic and rhetorical support to the working class: neither has even cosponsored the Protecting the Right to Organize Act, and Hawley, according to the AFL-CIO, has almost always voted against the interests of workers. Vance, a venture capitalist, finds it much more congenial to spout racist “great replacement” nonsense and blame those with a low income for their own failures than to actually do anything to help the latter. Meanwhile, the Republican Party remains rock-solidly opposed to even the mildest proposals to address global warming, which threatens not only working people but all life on earth. If this sabotage of life itself is what the postliberal common good looks like, one might even prefer the classical fascists.

    Analytically, a key error that helps make possible postliberal political naïveté (assuming the likes of Patrick Deneen and Yoram Hazony are acting in good faith) is to associate together, in one overarching nefarious tradition, classical liberals, modern economic conservatives, New Deal liberals, contemporary centrist liberals, woke identitarians, and “liberal” imperialists from Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson to Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. In a sense, even Marxism is included in this tradition, inasmuch as it shares the orientation towards progress of all these groups, their detachment from and denial of the virtues of tradition. (As if the left doesn’t want to preserve healthy traditions and abandon unhealthy ones.) This is a hopelessly confused classification, wholly superficial because of its idealistic focus on the supposed shared commitment to vague concepts of progress and freedom. In order to understand political history, you have to consider the material interests that these different groups and ideologies serve.

    For example, economic conservatives like Milton Friedman or Paul Ryan are liberal or libertarian in name only. Their talk of free markets is a fig leaf for outright authoritarianism in the form of slavish support for corporate tyrannies (as Ahmari describes), which would have horrified classical liberals like Adam Smith. Most conservatives don’t care about a mythical free market anyway, as shown by their enthusiasm for exorbitant government spending on the defense industry and for munificent tax breaks and subsidies for corporations. Capitalism could not survive without these sorts of government interventions, nor can markets operate without some firms soon exerting “illiberal” market power; so it is idle for postliberals to talk about a nonexistent economic liberalism.

    New Deal liberals were and are totally different from self-styled economic liberals, serving a popular constituency—so it’s odd that Deneen attacks them, too. After all, they often acted—as progressives still act—in approximately the same way as his ideal aristocracy would, “work[ing] to improve the lives, prospects, and fate of the people.” If one cares about the common good, why denounce social democracy, which more than any other capitalist formation protected families and communities? But because the progressive state was irreligious, non-traditional, and supposedly inspired by elite fear and loathing of the people (?), it was and is bad. (Deneen also opines that redistribution of wealth to workers has “led to extensive damage to the broader economic order,” citing no evidence.) His preferred reforms include increasing the size of the House of Representatives to 6,000 members; requiring that every American serve one year in the military; “substantially reducing” university education and investing in more vocational education; breaking up monopolistic companies; investing more public funds in infrastructure and manufacturing; penalizing companies that employ undocumented immigrants; banning pornography and passing laws that promote “public morality”; and enacting policies that reward marriage and family formation, such as Hungary has instituted under Orbán. Predictably, he says nothing about labor unions, except, as a parenthesis, that strengthening them is “a worthy undertaking.”

    Leftists would be more sympathetic to postliberals’ contempt for the conventional centrist liberalism of the Democratic Party today, albeit not necessarily for the same reasons. Indeed, many are similarly disdainful of the performative, business-friendly identity politics that has become a dominant ethos in the “professional-managerial class” that postliberals despise. But to call this “class” the real power elite, the real oppressors—as Deneen and others do—is both laughable and proto-fascist. This thesis is a core premise of right-wing postliberalism, for, if you can find a villain that isn’t the capitalist class, you don’t have to locate yourself uncomfortably close to the left. The PMC will do the job nicely, since it’s a diffuse category of people, many of whom have an elite status, that pervades and partially runs society’s hegemonic institutions. Its members tend to be culturally different from the masses of Americans without a college degree, so it’s easy to stir up resentment against them, which can be used to elect reactionaries who will do the bidding of the real ruling class (while blaming woke liberal professionals for the suffering that results).

    Deneen’s treatment of the “managerial elite” is influenced by a favorite text of postliberals, Michael Lind’s The New Class War: Saving Democracy from the Managerial Elite (2020), which itself is influenced by James Burnham’s famous book The Managerial Revolution (1941). Burnham posited that ownership and control were separated in modern corporations, and that, as a result, a new managerial class was replacing capitalists as the ruling class. This was a flawed analysis: for one thing, despite the transformations of the economy that had indeed occurred in preceding decades, corporations were still subject to the logic of capital, which required that they squeeze profits out of the exploited labor of workers. Capitalism was not ending. But whatever plausibility the thesis may have once had was long gone by the time of the 1980s’ shareholder revolution, which Deneen and Lind seem not to have heard of. The stubborn fact is that some people still make their money from ownership and investments, while others make money by selling their labor-power. These two groups tend to have antagonistic interests, an antagonism rooted not in the vague cultural differences between the “meritocracy” and “the people” that Deneen describes—such as (he says) the former’s mobility, its “disconnection from a shared cultural inheritance,” and its identity politics—but rather in objective structures of how money is made and how power is distributed in the workplace and the economy.

    It is true that most professionals occupy an ambiguous place between capitalists and the larger working class. Barbara and John Ehrenreich theorized this ambiguity in their landmark 1977 essay “The Professional-Managerial Class,” and Marxists since then have devoted a great deal of effort to making sense of this huge group of people, some of whom have more interests in common with the traditional working class and others with corporate executives and owners. Since its emergence in the early twentieth century to help manage “the reproduction of capitalist culture and capitalist class relations,” the PMC has, most of the time, not shown much solidarity with the blue-collar working class. In fact, in their 2013 essay “Death of a Yuppie Dream,” the Ehrenreichs argue it “has played a major role in the oppression and disempowerment of the old working class.” Professionals (usually more or less politically centrist, or “liberal” in today’s parlance) are easy to dislike, since they often exhibit the vices of high-status groups everywhere: they’re prone to being smug, elitist, hypocritical, conformist despite their pretensions to independent thought, complicit in the neoliberal evisceration of society, etc. Leftists are, perhaps, almost as fond of ridiculing them as conservatives; see Catherine Liu’s Virtue Hoarders: The Case against the Professional Managerial Class (2021) and Amber A’Lee Frost’s “The Characterless Opportunism of the Managerial Class” for examples.

    Nevertheless, if you want a more communal, just, and sustainable social order, you have to think about strategy. No class exemplifies virtue. The question is whether your agenda will be to dismantle corporate power, the real engine behind the atomization that postliberals decry, or to attack the relative peons of the PMC, who (as the Ehrenreichs note) are beginning to succumb to the disintegrating economic and political forces that have decimated the old working class. The second path is the road of fascism, the search for a scapegoat that only ends up empowering the most vicious elements of the ruling class. The first path, according to which professionals in precarious economic circumstances ought to be appealed to instead of vilified, is the road to genuine social change.

    In other words, postliberals have to make a decision: do they want to concentrate on combating social liberalism—banning pornography, criminalizing gender-affirming health care for those who suffer from dysphoria, erecting draconian barriers to immigration, banning “liberal” books and school curricula that address America’s real history—thereby empowering faux-populist Republicans who will cut social programs, attack unions, increase military spending, accelerate environmental destruction, give corporations and the wealthy even more power than they have, and devastate families and communities? Or do they want to concentrate on tackling the latter crises and forego a war on social liberalism? They can’t have it both ways, because only the left will ever honestly confront the material catastrophes that are savaging working-class communities. The left itself would do well to start prioritizing class solidarity rather than only identity politics (as some leftists have argued), but at least it is trying to do far more for the working class than the right is (since the right, after all, exists to serve business). Even Biden’s Build Back Better bill, which couldn’t pass because of Republican opposition, would have enormously benefited working families through its investments in childcare and preschool, paid family and medical leave, community college, child tax credits, physical infrastructure, affordable housing, health care, and environmental protection.

    Thus, because of its alleged interest in the public good but its conservative (Republican) orientation, postliberalism is ultimately incoherent. It is not a new ideology, being in many ways a return of paleoconservatism, of the anti-modernism of Jerry Falwell and Pat Buchanan, even of the—admittedly more extreme—alt-right of several years ago, which shared a lot of the reactionary cultural grievances of postliberals. Deneen & Company try to make their ideas more respectable by invoking Aristotle, Aquinas, Tocqueville, Pope Leo XIII, and other exalted names, but this is a transparent exercise in idealistic mystification. The proto-fascism is right below the surface.

    There is a particle of hope, however. If more postliberals choose the left-wing path of Tyranny, Inc. than the far-right path of Regime Change, they might manage to make a positive contribution to American politics. But this will require shedding their illusions about the likes of J.D. Vance, Marco Rubio, and Josh Hawley, and instead following the example of, say, Bernie Sanders. That’s where a humane, working-class politics is to be found.

    This post was originally published on Dissident Voice.

  • In Wilhelm von Humboldt’s book The Limits of State Action (1792), one of the most thoughtful expressions of classical liberalism, these passages appear:

    The true end of Man… is the highest and most harmonious development of his powers to a complete and consistent whole. Freedom is the first and indispensable condition which the possibility of such a development presupposes… Whatever does not spring from a man’s free choice, or is only the result of instruction and guidance, does not enter into his very being but still remains alien to his true nature; he does not perform it with truly human energies but merely with mechanical exactness…

    [T]he principle of the true art of social intercourse consists in a ceaseless endeavor to grasp the innermost individuality of another, to avail oneself of it, and, with the deepest respect for it as the individuality of another, to act upon it… The very variety arising from the union of numbers of individuals is the highest good which social life can confer, and this variety is undoubtedly lost in proportion to the degree of State interference. Under such a system, we have not so much the individual members of a nation living united in the bonds of a civil compact, but isolated subjects living in relation to the State…

    The entire book is an elaboration of these ideas. In them, we do not see a vulgar individualism, a reduction of humans to mere nodes in the cash-nexus who buy and sell to one another and need protection from each other, the kind of anti-humanism for which traditionalists and Marxists have criticized classical liberalism. We see, instead, an appreciation of the richness of every individuality; an emphasis on the human need for community, respect, friendship, and love; an anarchist critique of coercive institutions, in particular the state; a proto-Marxist theory of the alienation of labor; socialistic intimations that people have the right to control their own labor; in short, a liberal humanism of the sort that leftists of various persuasions would embellish in the following two centuries.

    If one were to believe the “postliberals” who have burst onto the ideological scene in recent years, liberalism doesn’t have the moral or intellectual resources for such a mature humanism. It seems they haven’t read Humboldt.

    Postliberalism has emerged in the UK and U.S. during the last ten years as a reaction against the manifest failures of what its thinkers call liberalism. The economic, social, political, and environmental crises that afflict the world they attribute to a systemic lack of regard for the “common good,” which, in turn, they attribute to a liberalism that has been horribly successful in its reduction of humans to atoms—“increasingly separate, autonomous, nonrelational selves replete with rights and defined by our liberty, but insecure, powerless, afraid, and alone.” So writes Patrick Deneen, professor of political science at the University of Notre Dame, in his 2018 book Why Liberalism Failed. Other vocal postliberals include Adrian Vermeule, Sohrab Ahmari, Yoram Hazony, Adrian Pabst, Chad Pecknold, Gladden Pappin, and some other writers associated with such magazines as American Affairs, UnHerd, and Compact. For all their differences, these writers share a rejection of any one-sided fixation on liberty, whether it be that of right-wing libertarianism—the “free market” doctrine to which the Republican Party is at least rhetorically committed—or left-wing social liberalism, the liberalism of identity politics. They seek to resuscitate ideas of social obligation, duty, community, and tradition, for example in the forms of family, church, and nation. The modern understanding of liberty is unhealthily and immorally licentious; better is the ancient and Christian conception that true freedom consists in self-control, self-discipline (under the constraints of tradition and religion), rather than slavish submission to base and hedonistic appetites.

    Postliberals, therefore, criticize the modern gospel of “progress” and its ideological cognates, alleged solvents of social bonds, such as “Enlightenment rationalism,” or the application of critical reason to all forms of order and authority for the sake of dismantling whatever isn’t emancipatory, liberal, or conducive to economic growth. Their perspective is reminiscent of that of the social theorist and historian Christopher Lasch, whose 1991 book The True and Only Heaven: Progress and Its Critics was an extended critique of the ideology of progress and a history of its dissenters in the United States. Preferring an honest recognition of ineluctable limits—not least ecological limits—over modern liberalism’s faith in endless economic growth, endless moral progress, and liberation from the benighted parochialism of the past, Lasch turned to the culture of the lower middle class as a more human and realistic alternative. Without denying the historical vices of this culture (“envy, resentment, and servility”), he was nevertheless impressed by “the moral conservatism of the petty bourgeoisie, its egalitarianism, its respect for workmanship, its understanding of the value of loyalty,” in general its rootedness, so different from the deracinated future-fixation—detachment from the past—of contemporary liberal elites. Postliberals share these concerns and values.

    What postliberalism amounts to, then, is a rejection of dominant tendencies of modernity. Some writers are more willing than others to acknowledge the positive achievements of liberalism—for instance, in The Politics of Virtue (2016), John Milbank and Adrian Pabst grant that liberalism “has afforded some protection against the worst transgressions upon the liberty of some by the liberty of others”—but, on the whole, postliberals are attracted to a kind of Burkean conservatism. “Right-wing on culture, left-wing on the economy” is how they are usually characterized. Through this formula, they think, it may be possible to bring back social cohesion, “the wisdom of tradition,” and respect for “the common good.”

    Two books published this year by leading lights of postliberalism, Patrick Deneen and Sohrab Ahmari, provide an opportunity to critically evaluate this “new” school of thought (perhaps not so new). On the one hand, Deneen’s Regime Change: Toward a Postliberal Future illustrates the weaknesses of the ideology; on the other hand, Ahmari’s Tyranny, Inc.: How Private Power Crushed American Liberty—and What to Do About It illustrates its potential strengths. Ultimately, however, despite its mutability, postliberalism is misguided and dangerous in its idealism, its theoretical confusions, its political naïveté, and many of its political commitments. It too easily slides into proto-fascism. What is valid in it can be and has been expressed more sophisticatedly by the Marxist left.

    Since it has the ear of some right-wing populists, such as J.D. Vance and Josh Hawley, and it seems to be growing in influence, this ideology should be taken seriously. Leftists may be able to find common ground with its advocates on certain issues, but in general, they should strongly resist this latest brand of conservatism.

    The Idealism of Postliberalism

    One of the major analytical flaws of postliberalism is, in fact, one of the weaknesses of all conservatism: its anti-Marxian idealism. In all his romantic talk of reverence for ancestral traditions, Edmund Burke abstracted from the actual daily functioning of these traditions, from their foundations in appalling violence, in constant violations of the dignity and freedom of the lower classes, in the irrationality of a nation’s being subject to the will of some arbitrary monarch who happened to be born to a previous monarch. A very different conservative, Milton Friedman, similarly abstracted from the daily realities of capitalism—the indignities of working for a boss, the suppression of the right to unionize, the violence in which the rule of capital is grounded—in his simplistic paeans to “freedom.” (His famous book Capitalism and Freedom (1962) consists of abstract idealizations like this one, chosen at random: “The kind of economic organization that promotes economic freedom directly, namely, competitive capitalism, also promotes political freedom because it separates economic power from political power and in this way enables the one to offset the other.” As if, in the real world, economic power doesn’t tend to confer political power!) Fascism was even worse: it idealized will, nation, race, the state, the Leader, and war, abstracting from the grubby realities of all these things.

    Being a type of conservatism, postliberalism does the same. Its very name is idealistic and simplistic. “Liberalism” can’t be the fundamental problem we face today for the simple reason that there isn’t only one liberalism, there are many. Among the classical liberals, there were British, French, American, and German figures, as diverse as John Locke, Wilhelm von Humboldt, Kant, Thomas Paine, William Godwin, John Stuart Mill, and Tocqueville. There were socialists, anarchists, and capitalists. There were deists, Protestants, Catholics, and atheists. There were democrats, republicans, and monarchists. And in the twentieth century, liberalism evolved in even more complex ways, towards social democracy and its protection not only of “negative liberty” but also “positive liberty,” as in the freedom of people to have a living wage, a home, an education, and affordable healthcare. Even the anarchist communism of Peter Kropotkin can be said, in some respects, to belong to the liberal tradition. In short, the core intuition of liberalism—“a general enlargement and freedom and rational direction of human life,” as Lionel Trilling described it—can be fleshed out institutionally in innumerable ways, including in socialism, i.e., people’s democratic control of their work. (In fact, one can argue that Marxism is but a continuation and conceptual deepening of the best traditions of liberalism.)

    Patrick Deneen’s two recent books—Why Liberalism Failed and Regime Change—exemplify the idealism of conservatism. Again and again, imposing a false unity on the liberal tradition, he blames liberalism for things that are more realistically attributed to capitalism. When he refers to “[recent] decades of liberal dismantling of cultural norms and political habits essential to self-governance,” what he means is capitalist dismantling. Liberalism is but an ideological attitude, a constellation of philosophies; capitalism—how people work, how they acquire property, how they exchange goods, how class relations are structured, how culture is produced and politics is organized—is the real basis for a way of life.

    When Deneen, in Why Liberalism Failed, writes that “[liberalism] has remade the world in its image, especially through the realms of politics, economics, education, science, and technology, all aimed at achieving supreme and complete freedom through the liberation of the individual from particular places, relationships, memberships, and even identities,” one recalls the words of an infinitely more profound thinker:

    “The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations… It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation… All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned…”

    No mere ideological “tendency” (to quote Trilling again) could achieve all this. It is the class structures of capitalism that have remade the world.

    Regime Change is shot through with idealism. The basic structure of the book is reasonable enough: in the first two chapters, Deneen diagnoses the faults of liberalism, including not only its ostensible ripping apart and atomizing of the social fabric but also its elevation of hypocritical liberal elites (“the managerial class,” the real power elite) who don’t care about “the people” but use identity politics to pretend they do, shredding the last vestiges of traditional norms in the process. In the next three chapters, he presents the postliberal vision. He calls this “common-good conservatism,” associating it with Burke, Benjamin Disraeli, and G. K. Chesterton, but more generally with “the classical and Christian tradition of the West—a common-good political order that seeks to harmonize the various contentious elements of any human society.” This conservatism aligns itself with the “common sense” of ordinary people, who “seek stability, predictability, and order within the context of a system that is broadly fair.” The solution to contemporary social ills is to implement the political philosophy of Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas, a “mixed constitution” (democratic and aristocratic) in which an elite much more noble than that of today will “work to improve the lives, prospects, and fate of the people,” as the people, in turn, demand excellence from the elite and themselves are influenced by the virtues of the new aristocracy.

    In the final two chapters, Deneen fills out his Aristotelian vision, which he calls “aristopopulism,” while also gesturing towards an answer as to how this glorious new society will be realized. His answer isn’t particularly satisfying: “an ennobling of our elite” will come about “through the force of a threat from the popolo [people],” that is, “through the efforts of an energized, forceful, and demanding populace.” This is pretty much all he says on the matter. Likewise, his sketches of the better world to come consist of empty bromides and exhortations. Rather than meritocracy, we need a society that integrates the “working-class ethos of social solidarity, family, community, church, and nation” with the “virtues of those blessed by privilege.” To combat racism, we shouldn’t embrace affirmative action or other divisive approaches but should resurrect Martin Luther King Jr.’s vision of a “deeper ‘integration.’” Tepidly criticizing the ardent nationalism of people like Yoram Hazony (author of The Virtue of Nationalism), National Review editor Rich Lowry, and other “national conservatives,” Deneen proposes instead “a new form of integration of local, national, and international” (italics in the original). What that concretely means he leaves unsaid. His practical program for reinfusing religion into social life is similarly perfunctory, containing little more than such vague entreaties as “a simple first step would be to publicly promote and protect a life of prayer.” Politics should be “a place for prayer, since politics is how we together seek to realize the good that is common.”

    One of the greatest swindles of postliberalism is its nostalgia for an idealized past. According to Deneen, the Enlightenment project of individual liberation required the overthrow of “older social forms that had taught and reinforced the cultivation of virtue.” Traditional institutions “protect the stability and order that most benefits ordinary people,” and in fact are deeply democratic “because they are the creation of countless generations of forebears” and “largely develop from the ‘bottom up.’” As it happens, feudalism wasn’t a particularly democratic institution that cultivated virtue. Nor was absolute monarchy. Nor was the Catholic Church, which, until the spirit of liberalism finally began to permeate it, was a rapacious tyranny that burned heretics, policed thought, crusaded against the advance of knowledge, and made common cause with autocrats everywhere. (Also, of course, it now has the distinction of systemically aiding and abetting child abuse.) However inspiring the figure and philosophy of Jesus may be, history has shown that religious institutions, like all administrative hierarchies, are prone to abusing their power unless suffused with the liberal spirit of respect for individual rights.

    This worship of religion is a classic instance of mistaken idealism. Postliberals are enamored of Christianity, attributing much of what is good in our civilization to its religious inheritance and much of what is bad to its abandonment of religion. Most of the time, they ignore questions about whether, after all, it is true that something called “God” exists or that Jesus is His son and was resurrected after dying for our sins, or any of the other dogmas of Christianity (or Judaism)—and rightly so, for in order to evaluate the plausibility of any proposition, it’s necessary to use the Enlightenment’s “rationalistic” method they dislike. With regard to socially relevant questions, they appear to have a pragmatist conception of truth: if a belief is useful, we might as well believe it. But is religion in fact useful? Its violent, tortured, bigoted history suggests otherwise. Nor is it at all clear that humans need religion in order to enjoy a healthy communal and family life or to heed the moral duties that bind us all together.

    Often, religion has functioned to undermine the well-being of communities and families. It isn’t a secret that conservative politicians use appeals to religion to convince people to vote against their economic interests. An infamous example is that of Governor Sam Brownback of Kansas, a religiose Christian who passed radical tax cuts in 2012 that, as the Brookings Institution summarizes, “led to sluggish growth, lower-than-expected revenues, and brutal cuts to government programs” like schools, housing, infrastructure, and police and fire protection. Similarly, for over a hundred years, businesses in the American South have used conservative Christianity to ward off the threat of unionism, helping to keep the region in a state of relative poverty. In Struggle for the Soul of the Postwar South (2015), historians Elizabeth and Ken Fones-Wolf describe how corporate executives in the postwar era relocated their factories to this region, where “chambers of commerce advertised the benefits [of] locating in a ‘distinctly religious city’ where the ‘labor is of native Anglo-Saxon stock—loyal and efficient.’” The CIO’s Operation Dixie was unable to overcome the resistance that evangelical Protestantism (among other forces) put up to unions.

    On the whole, then, postliberals have a rather uncritical attitude towards tradition and religion, as conservatives usually do. They’re nostalgic for a lost social cohesion, the lost unity of “Western culture.” As Adrian Pabst writes in Liberal World Order and Its Critics (2019), identity politics (combined with “corporate crony capitalism”) is “changing the fundamental character of Western civilisation from being a cultural community bound together by common values that define shared interests to a ‘business community’ based on sectional interests that promote divisive values.” But when, exactly, was “Western civilization” such a unitary entity? The history of Europe is the history of constant clashes, constant wars, constant struggles between different value systems and interests and cultures, long centuries of violence and bloody suppression of innumerable popular uprisings. Divisiveness is history. And idealism is false history.

    Buried under all the confusions and shallowness of postliberalism, however, there is a truth: throughout its five-hundred-year history, riven by war, privatization and the destruction of the commons, mass immiseration, and the crushing of democracy, capitalism has profoundly disrupted communities and uprooted identities. This is precisely why, or one reason why, leftists and “the people” have fought against it. Genuine leftists are well aware of the human need for roots, for order and stability and community. The great anarchist mystic Simone Weil even wrote a book entitled The Need for Roots: Prelude to a Declaration of Duties towards Mankind. “To be rooted is perhaps the most important and least recognized need of the human soul… Money destroys human roots wherever it is able to penetrate, by turning desire for gain into the sole motive.” There is no reason such a recognition should be incompatible with the best traditions of liberalism, for instance Humboldtian liberalism. That is, there is no reason a philosophy of individual rights and individual dignity should preclude a recognition of mutual obligations and the essentially social nature of humanity, including even a valorization of honorable traditions and shared norms that constrain unfettered liberty. This isn’t the place to delve into the philosophies of communism, socialism, and anarchism—the writings of Kropotkin, William Morris, Anton Pannekoek, Rudolf Rocker, Murray Bookchin, etc.—but the societies they envision are hardly licentious or degenerate or atomized. (Or remotely similar to the Soviet Union’s state capitalism, with which socialism and communism are absurdly associated.) They are eminently ordered, communal, and democratic, because they are grounded in a liberal humanist sensibility.

    Indeed, one might even say that the real reason the world is in such an awful state is the opposite of that given by postliberals: there is too little freedom, not too much. There is too much authoritarianism, not enough liberalism or democracy. In particular, the authoritarian structures known as corporations have overwhelming power—including over governments—which they certainly do not use in the interests of humanity, community, or social harmony. Noam Chomsky is surely right that classical liberalism, or libertarianism, in its profoundest forms is not only not fulfilled in capitalism but is actually incompatible with it, inasmuch as capitalism tends to violate both the negative and positive liberties (“freedom from” and “freedom to”) of ordinary people. A vast literature of the left, of journalism, and of historical scholarship exposes the tyrannical nature of capitalist institutions; for example, in 2017, the philosopher Elizabeth Anderson published a well-received book called Private Government: How Employers Rule Our Lives (and Why We Don’t Talk about It). (A corporation is “a government that assigns almost everyone a superior whom they must obey… [T]here is no rule of law… Superiors are unaccountable to those they order around. They are neither elected nor removable by their inferiors,” etc.) The most recent addition to this literature may be a surprise, though: Ahmari’s new book.

    Tyranny, Inc. could not be more different from Regime Change. It appears, in fact, that Ahmari is undergoing a semi-conversion to the left, or to aspects of the left. It is striking, after all, that a postliberal should have written a book the very subtitle and substance of which valorizes “American liberty.” Whereas Deneen wallows in a lazy idealism that traffics in windy abstractions like virtue, excellence, and tradition, Ahmari investigates the material conditions workers have faced under the neoliberal onslaught, together with the corrupt political economy that has brought about these abysmal conditions. Where Deneen believes that an enlightened Aristotelian aristocracy will magically come into being and work to uplift the people, Ahmari comprehends the essential fact of class struggle and advocates the resurrection of strong unions and social democracy. He even uses Marxist language: “cultural norms, practices, and beliefs…rest on a material substrate that includes law, politics, and economics.” In short, while Deneen and his co-thinkers blame a unitary ideology of their imagination called liberalism, Ahmari, at least in this book, blames capitalism.

    One can’t help wondering if the postliberal gang is a little unhappy with Ahmari’s semi-apostasy. Consider his criticisms of conservatives in his concluding chapter:

    [C]onservative defenders of the [social] system are often the first to lament its cultural ramifications: …a decline in civic and religious engagement, particularly among the poor and working classes; low rates of marriage and family formation; and so on.

    …[What results] is a downright ludicrous politics centered on preaching timeless virtues while denying what political theory going back to the Greeks has taught, and what every good parent or teacher knows: that cultivating virtue requires tangible, structural supports. A child will struggle to master honesty if his parents routinely model dishonesty; a body politic will likewise spurn the virtues if subjected to merciless economic exploitation.

    It’s true that more populist conservatives these days are prepared to defend right-wing cultural values against ‘woke capital.’ But few if any dare question the coercive power of capital itself. Dig into the policy platforms of tub-thumping GOP populists, and you will likely find effusions of unreserved praise for capitalism.

    Here, he is coming close to the realization that right-wing populism is completely phony, that it has always functioned to distract from the class conflicts that are fundamentally responsible for popular suffering, so that a large portion of the public instead rages against LGBTQ people, liberals, Muslims, immigrants, Jews, Communists, China, and anyone else not big business. To be sure, postliberals don’t effusively praise capitalism, as other populist conservatives do. But if they really valued “the common good” about which they prattle, they would, like leftists and the new-and-improved Ahmari, direct their ire at the chief agents of the collapse of community, family, morality, and the natural environment, namely the capitalist class. Otherwise they’re in danger of being useful idiots for this class that is interested only in further shredding the social compact.

    Tyranny, Inc. is dense with journalistic investigations of a litany of types of “coercion” corporations inflict today on employees and the public, informed by a competent telling of the history behind it all (relying on scholars like Karl Polanyi, John Kenneth Galbraith, and David Harvey). Among other topics, Ahmari illuminates the many ways in which the sacred doctrine of “liberty of contract” between employer and employee conceals chasmic disparities in power that can ruin people’s lives. He illustrates the capture of the judiciary by the corporate sector. He exposes the predations of private equity, including its use of private emergency services (firefighting firms, ambulance companies) to fleece unsuspecting innocents of tens of thousands of dollars. He discusses the ongoing evisceration by Big Tech and Big Finance of the U.S.’s newspaper industry, which has seen almost a third of its newspapers shutter since 2005 (while many of the remainder are gutted by their new Wall Street owners). And so on. The most viable solution to all these tragedies, he argues, is to revive Galbraithian countervailing power. “Once more, it’s up to the American worker to drag our politicians and corporate leaders into a new consensus.”

    Insofar as Ahmari remains a postliberal, his book shows the mutability of this ideology. Its proponents can choose any particular agenda to devote their energies to, whether reconstituting unions and social democracy, advocating a Catholic theocracy (like Adrian Vermeule), fighting against the rights of non-heteronormative people, seeking a much more restrictive immigration regime, denouncing so-called “liberal” interventionist foreign policy, or prohibiting the teaching of the history of racism in the U.S.’s public schools. Rhetorically at least, all of this can be defended in terms of shoring up the disintegrating social order and protecting “communal solidarity.” In a sense, this mutability can be considered a strength, for it allows postliberalism to appeal to people of very different values and interests. But it is the strength of fascism, an ideology that likewise prided itself on being postliberal. Fascism was no less resourceful in appealing to different groups of people, including peasants, landowners, industrialists, the petty bourgeois, racists, traditionalists, even a small minority of workers, who were told their interests would be represented in the great community of the nation bound together by common traditions. In practice, of course, fascism, as a species of conservatism, ended up representing above all the interests of the ruling class, while crushing unions and working-class political parties.

    The Proto-Fascism of Postliberalism

    Tyranny, Inc. shows that leftists can find common cause with postliberals on some issues. To the extent that someone of the right really does care about the common good, or rather the good of the vast majority (to which the good of the ruling class tends to be inimical, since its power rests on the exploitation of others), a socialist might well be willing to work together with him. Such an alliance, necessarily limited and conditional, is often ridiculed as “red-brownism” by leftists, but it does happen in politics that people of different ideologies cooperate on a political campaign or policy that will conduce to the greater good. A politics that rests on maintaining one’s purity is unlikely to get very far.

    Nevertheless, it is undeniable that postliberalism is very dangerous, potentially fascist. Insofar as it is anti-liberal—which left-leaning postliberals, such as Adrian Pabst, are not—this isn’t a difficult case to make. “Within the West, Hungary has set the standard for a reasonable approach,” Gladden Pappin believes. Vermeule deplores the expansiveness of liberal rights: “Yesterday the frontier was divorce, contraception, and abortion; then it became same-sex marriage; today it is transgenderism; tomorrow it may be polygamy, consensual adult incest, or who knows what.” In Conservatism: A Rediscovery (2022), Yoram Hazony argues that “cultivation of the national religion is an indispensable purpose of government.” He goes so far as to affirm, quoting Irving Kristol, that “there is no inherent right to self-government if it means that such government is vicious, mean, squalid, and debased.” But who is to make such a judgment? Why is your definition of what is right and good necessarily better than someone else’s? Are you infallible? What gives a reactionary religious nationalist like Hazony the right to impose his vision of the good life on an entire society?

    Apart from the noxious political commitments of most postliberals, there is an even deeper problem: in conditions in the United States today, to ground one’s politics in attacking liberalism is to undermine postliberals’ own professed values of “national resilience,” “common purposes,” and the “social covenant” (to quote Adrian Pabst’s Postliberal Politics). This is because the chief beneficiaries are the forces most aggressively sabotaging these values, the Republican Party and reactionaries in the business community.

    To put it bluntly, postliberals’ embrace of politicians like J.D. Vance, Josh Hawley, even (in some cases) Donald Trump, and their hope for an authentically populist, working-class Republican Party, is incredibly naïve. Nor is it new. At least since (in fact, before) Richard Nixon’s Southern Strategy, Republican politicians have been clothing themselves in populist garb, stoking culture wars and denouncing liberal elites in order to cleave the “working-class” vote from Democrats. As Nixon’s vice president, Spiro Agnew traveled the country attacking “permissivists,” “elitists,” “radical liberals,” “thieves, traitors, and perverts.” Reagan liked to invoke the “postliberal” themes of family and community: “When they [Democrats] talk about family, they mean Big Brother in Washington. When we talk about family, we mean ‘honor thy father and mother.’” These themes, of course, have been a mainstay of Republican rhetoric for generations. “I am here to say to America,” Bob Dole pontificated, “do not abandon the great traditions that stretch to the dawn of our history. Do not topple the pillars of those beliefs—God, family, honor, duty, country—that have brought us through time and time again.” George W. Bush preached the virtues of compassionate conservatism, which proved to be just as oxymoronic as common-good conservatism will doubtless be. Today, the enemies du jour are critical race theory, transgenderism, and wokeness, but the underlying strategy is always the same.

    And what does that strategy eventuate in? Tax cuts for the rich, gutting of regulations to protect the environment, and a war on workers and the poor. Trump’s NLRB waged an “unprecedented” attack on workers’ rights. His administration weakened or eliminated over 125 policies that protected the country’s air, water, and land. His budgets savagely slashed benefits for low-income Americans, continuing a longstanding Republican practice. The great “populist” senators Hawley and Vance give, at best, tokenistic and rhetorical support to the working class: neither has even cosponsored the Protecting the Right to Organize Act, and Hawley, according to the AFL-CIO, has almost always voted against the interests of workers. Vance, a venture capitalist, finds it much more congenial to spout racist “great replacement” nonsense and blame those with a low income for their own failures than to actually do anything to help the latter. Meanwhile, the Republican Party remains rock-solidly opposed to even the mildest proposals to address global warming, which threatens not only working people but all life on earth. If this sabotage of life itself is what the postliberal common good looks like, one might even prefer the classical fascists.

    Analytically, a key error that helps make possible postliberal political naïveté (assuming the likes of Patrick Deneen and Yoram Hazony are acting in good faith) is to associate together, in one overarching nefarious tradition, classical liberals, modern economic conservatives, New Deal liberals, contemporary centrist liberals, woke identitarians, and “liberal” imperialists from Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson to Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. In a sense, even Marxism is included in this tradition, inasmuch as it shares the orientation towards progress of all these groups, their detachment from and denial of the virtues of tradition. (As if the left doesn’t want to preserve healthy traditions and abandon unhealthy ones.) This is a hopelessly confused classification, wholly superficial because of its idealistic focus on the supposed shared commitment to vague concepts of progress and freedom. In order to understand political history, you have to consider the material interests that these different groups and ideologies serve.

    For example, economic conservatives like Milton Friedman or Paul Ryan are liberal or libertarian in name only. Their talk of free markets is a fig leaf for outright authoritarianism in the form of slavish support for corporate tyrannies (as Ahmari describes), which would have horrified classical liberals like Adam Smith. Most conservatives don’t care about a mythical free market anyway, as shown by their enthusiasm for exorbitant government spending on the defense industry and for munificent tax breaks and subsidies for corporations. Capitalism could not survive without these sorts of government interventions, nor can markets operate without some firms soon exerting “illiberal” market power; so it is idle for postliberals to talk about a nonexistent economic liberalism.

    New Deal liberals were and are totally different from self-styled economic liberals, serving a popular constituency—so it’s odd that Deneen attacks them, too. After all, they often acted—as progressives still act—in approximately the same way as his ideal aristocracy would, “work[ing] to improve the lives, prospects, and fate of the people.” If one cares about the common good, why denounce social democracy, which more than any other capitalist formation protected families and communities? But because the progressive state was irreligious, non-traditional, and supposedly inspired by elite fear and loathing of the people (?), it was and is bad. (Deneen also opines that redistribution of wealth to workers has “led to extensive damage to the broader economic order,” citing no evidence.) His preferred reforms include increasing the size of the House of Representatives to 6,000 members; requiring that every American serve one year in the military; “substantially reducing” university education and investing in more vocational education; breaking up monopolistic companies; investing more public funds in infrastructure and manufacturing; penalizing companies that employ undocumented immigrants; banning pornography and passing laws that promote “public morality”; and enacting policies that reward marriage and family formation, such as Hungary has instituted under Orbán. Predictably, he says nothing about labor unions, except, as a parenthesis, that strengthening them is “a worthy undertaking.”

    Leftists would be more sympathetic to postliberals’ contempt for the conventional centrist liberalism of the Democratic Party today, albeit not necessarily for the same reasons. Indeed, many are similarly disdainful of the performative, business-friendly identity politics that has become a dominant ethos in the “professional-managerial class” that postliberals despise. But to call this “class” the real power elite, the real oppressors—as Deneen and others do—is both laughable and proto-fascist. This thesis is a core premise of right-wing postliberalism, for, if you can find a villain that isn’t the capitalist class, you don’t have to locate yourself uncomfortably close to the left. The PMC will do the job nicely, since it’s a diffuse category of people, many of whom have an elite status, that pervades and partially runs society’s hegemonic institutions. Its members tend to be culturally different from the masses of Americans without a college degree, so it’s easy to stir up resentment against them, which can be used to elect reactionaries who will do the bidding of the real ruling class (while blaming woke liberal professionals for the suffering that results).

    Deneen’s treatment of the “managerial elite” is influenced by a favorite text of postliberals, Michael Lind’s The New Class War: Saving Democracy from the Managerial Elite (2020), which itself is influenced by James Burnham’s famous book The Managerial Revolution (1941). Burnham posited that ownership and control were separated in modern corporations, and that, as a result, a new managerial class was replacing capitalists as the ruling class. This was a flawed analysis: for one thing, despite the transformations of the economy that had indeed occurred in preceding decades, corporations were still subject to the logic of capital, which required that they squeeze profits out of the exploited labor of workers. Capitalism was not ending. But whatever plausibility the thesis may have once had was long gone by the time of the 1980s’ shareholder revolution, which Deneen and Lind seem not to have heard of. The stubborn fact is that some people still make their money from ownership and investments, while others make money by selling their labor-power. These two groups tend to have antagonistic interests, an antagonism rooted not in the vague cultural differences between the “meritocracy” and “the people” that Deneen describes—such as (he says) the former’s mobility, its “disconnection from a shared cultural inheritance,” and its identity politics—but rather in objective structures of how money is made and how power is distributed in the workplace and the economy.

    It is true that most professionals occupy an ambiguous place between capitalists and the larger working class. Barbara and John Ehrenreich theorized this ambiguity in their landmark 1977 essay “The Professional-Managerial Class,” and Marxists since then have devoted a great deal of effort to making sense of this huge group of people, some of whom have more interests in common with the traditional working class and others with corporate executives and owners. Since its emergence in the early twentieth century to help manage “the reproduction of capitalist culture and capitalist class relations,” the PMC has, most of the time, not shown much solidarity with the blue-collar working class. In fact, in their 2013 essay “Death of a Yuppie Dream,” the Ehrenreichs argue it “has played a major role in the oppression and disempowerment of the old working class.” Professionals (usually more or less politically centrist, or “liberal” in today’s parlance) are easy to dislike, since they often exhibit the vices of high-status groups everywhere: they’re prone to being smug, elitist, hypocritical, conformist despite their pretensions to independent thought, complicit in the neoliberal evisceration of society, etc. Leftists are, perhaps, almost as fond of ridiculing them as conservatives; see Catherine Liu’s Virtue Hoarders: The Case against the Professional Managerial Class (2021) and Amber A’Lee Frost’s “The Characterless Opportunism of the Managerial Class” for examples.

    Nevertheless, if you want a more communal, just, and sustainable social order, you have to think about strategy. No class exemplifies virtue. The question is whether your agenda will be to dismantle corporate power, the real engine behind the atomization that postliberals decry, or to attack the relative peons of the PMC, who (as the Ehrenreichs note) are beginning to succumb to the disintegrating economic and political forces that have decimated the old working class. The second path is the road of fascism, the search for a scapegoat that only ends up empowering the most vicious elements of the ruling class. The first path, according to which professionals in precarious economic circumstances ought to be appealed to instead of vilified, is the road to genuine social change.

    In other words, postliberals have to make a decision: do they want to concentrate on combating social liberalism—banning pornography, criminalizing gender-affirming health care for those who suffer from dysphoria, erecting draconian barriers to immigration, banning “liberal” books and school curricula that address America’s real history—thereby empowering faux-populist Republicans who will cut social programs, attack unions, increase military spending, accelerate environmental destruction, give corporations and the wealthy even more power than they have, and devastate families and communities? Or do they want to concentrate on tackling the latter crises and forego a war on social liberalism? They can’t have it both ways, because only the left will ever honestly confront the material catastrophes that are savaging working-class communities. The left itself would do well to start prioritizing class solidarity rather than only identity politics (as some leftists have argued), but at least it is trying to do far more for the working class than the right is (since the right, after all, exists to serve business). Even Biden’s Build Back Better bill, which couldn’t pass because of Republican opposition, would have enormously benefited working families through its investments in childcare and preschool, paid family and medical leave, community college, child tax credits, physical infrastructure, affordable housing, health care, and environmental protection.

    Thus, because of its alleged interest in the public good but its conservative (Republican) orientation, postliberalism is ultimately incoherent. It is not a new ideology, being in many ways a return of paleoconservatism, of the anti-modernism of Jerry Falwell and Pat Buchanan, even of the—admittedly more extreme—alt-right of several years ago, which shared a lot of the reactionary cultural grievances of postliberals. Deneen & Company try to make their ideas more respectable by invoking Aristotle, Aquinas, Tocqueville, Pope Leo XIII, and other exalted names, but this is a transparent exercise in idealistic mystification. The proto-fascism is right below the surface.

    There is a particle of hope, however. If more postliberals choose the left-wing path of Tyranny, Inc. than the far-right path of Regime Change, they might manage to make a positive contribution to American politics. But this will require shedding their illusions about the likes of J.D. Vance, Marco Rubio, and Josh Hawley, and instead following the example of, say, Bernie Sanders. That’s where a humane, working-class politics is to be found.

    This post was originally published on Dissident Voice.

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  • On 3 October, the homes and offices of over one hundred journalists and researchers across India were raided by the Delhi Police, which is under the jurisdiction of the country’s Ministry of Home Affairs. During this ‘act of sheer harassment and intimidation’, as the Committee to Protect Journalists called it, the Delhi Police raided and interrogated the Tricontinental Research Services (TRS) team. Based in Delhi, TRS is contracted by Tricontinental: Institute for Social Research to produce materials on the great processes of our time as they play out in the world’s most populous country, including the struggles of workers and farmers, the women’s movement, and the movement for Dalit emancipation from caste oppression. It would be a dereliction of duty for TRS researchers to ignore these important developments that affect the lives of hundreds of millions of Indians, and yet it is this very focus on issues of national importance that has earned them the ire of the government led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Is it possible to live in the world as a person of conscience and ignore the daily struggles of the people?

    At the end of the day, the Delhi Police arrested Prabir Purkayastha and Amit Chakravarty, both of the media project NewsClick.

    During the raid of the TRS office, the Delhi Police seized computers, phones, and hard drives. I very much hope that the Delhi Police investigators will read all of the materials that the TRS team has produced with great care and interest. So that the Delhi Police does not miss any of the important texts that TRS has produced for Tricontinental, here is a reading list for them:

    1. The Story of Solapur, India, Where Housing Cooperatives Are Building a Workers’ City (dossier no. 6, July 2018). Balamani Ambaiah Mergu, a maker of beedis (cigarettes), told TRS researchers that she used to ‘stay in a small hut in a slum in Shastri Nagar, Solapur city. When it rained the hut used to leak, and there wouldn’t be a single dry patch inside’. Since 1992, the Centre of Indian Trade Unions (CITU) has campaigned to secure dignified housing for workers in this town in the state of Maharashtra. Since 2001, CITU has been able secure government funds for this purpose and build tens of thousands of houses, a process led by the workers themselves through cooperative housing societies. The workers built ‘a city of the working class alone’, CITU leader Narasayya Adam told TRS.

    2. How Kerala Fought the Heaviest Deluge in Nearly a Century (dossier no. 9, October 2018). In the summer of 2018, rain, and subsequent flooding, swept through the southern coastal state of Kerala, impacting 5.4 million of the state’s 35 million residents. TRS researchers documented the flood’s rage, the rescue and relief work of organised volunteers (largely from left formations), and the rehabilitation of both the Left Democratic Front government and various social organisations.

    3. India’s Communists and the Election of 2019: Only an Alternative Can Defeat the Right Wing (dossier no. 12, January 2019). To understand the political situation in India in the lead-up to the 2019 parliamentary elections, the TRS team spoke with Communist Party of India (Marxist) leader Brinda Karat. Rather than confine her analysis to the electoral or political sphere, Karat discussed the challenges facing the country at a sociological level: ‘Cultures promoted by capitalism and the market promote and glorify individualism and promote individualistic solutions. All these add to the depoliticisation of a whole generation of young people. This is certainly a challenge: how to find the most effective ways of taking our message to the youth’.

    4. The Only Answer Is to Mobilise the Workers (dossier no. 18, July 2019). In April–May 2019, the National Democratic Alliance, led by the right-wing Bharatiya Janata Party, prevailed in India’s parliamentary elections. In the aftermath of the elections, the TRS team met with CITU President K. Hemalata to talk about the periodic massive strikes that had been taking place in the country, including an annual general strike of nearly 300 million workers. Whereas working-class movements in other countries seemed to be weakened by the breakdown of formal employment and the increasingly precarious nature of work, unions in India displayed resilience. Hemalata explained that ‘the contract workers are very militant’ and that CITU does not distinguish between the demands of contract workers and permanent workers. One of the best examples of this, she said, is the anganwadi (childcare) workers, who – along with Accredited Social Health Activists (ASHA) workers – have been on the forefront of many of the major agitations. Both of these sectors – childcare and health care – are dominated by women. ‘Organising working-class women is part of organising the working class’, Hemalata told TRS.

    5. The Neoliberal Attack on Rural India (dossier no. 21, October 2019). P. Sainath, one of the most important journalists reporting on rural India and a senior fellow at Tricontinental: Institute for Social Research, traced the impact of the crises of neoliberal policies and climate catastrophe that are simultaneously imposed on India’s farmers. He documents the work of Kudumbashree, a cooperative made up of 4.5 million women farmers in Kerala, which he calls ‘the greatest gender justice and poverty reduction programme in the world’ (and about whom we will publish a longer study in the coming months compiled by TRS).

    6. People’s Polyclinics: The Initiative of the Telugu Communist Movement (dossier no. 25, February 2020). In the Telugu-speaking parts of India (which encompass over 84 million people), doctors affiliated with the communist movement have set up clinics and hospitals – notably the Nellore People’s Polyclinic – to provide medical care to the working class and peasantry. The polyclinics have not only provided care but have also trained medical workers to address public health concerns in rural hinterlands and small towns. This dossier offers a window into the work of left-wing medical personnel whose efforts take place outside the limelight and into the experiments in public health care that seek to undercut the privatisation agenda.

    7. One Hundred Years of the Communist Movement in India (dossier no. 32, September 2020). Not long after the October Revolution brought the Tsarist Empire to its knees in 1917, a liberal newspaper in Bombay noted, ‘The fact is Bolshevism is not the invention of Lenin or any man. It is the inexorable product of the economic system which dooms the millions to a life of ill-requited toil in order that a few thousand may revel in luxury’. In other words, the communist movement is the product of the limitations and failures of capitalism. On 17 October 1920, the Communist Party of India was formed alongside scattered communist groups that were emerging in different parts of India. In this brief text, the TRS team documents the role of the communist movement in India over the past century.

    8. The Farmers’ Revolt in India(dossier no. 41, June 2021). Between 1995 and 2014, almost 300,000 farmers committed suicide in India – roughly one farmer every 30 minutes. This is largely because of the high prices of inputs and the low prices of their crops, a reality that has been exacerbated by neoliberal agricultural policies since 1991 and their amplification of other crises (including the climate catastrophe). Over the past decade, however, farmers have fought back with major mobilisations across the country led by a range of organisations such as left-wing farmers’ and agricultural workers’ unions. When the government put forward three bills in 2020 to deepen the privatisation of rural India, farmers, agricultural workers, and their families began a massive protest. This dossier is one of the finest summaries of the issues that lie at the heart of these protests.

    9. Indian Women on an Arduous Road to Equality (dossier no. 45, October 2021). Patriarchy, with its deep roots in the economy and culture, cannot be defeated by decree. In the face of this reality, this dossier offers a glimpse of the Indian women’s movement for equality and maps the range of struggles pursued by working women across the country to defend democracy, maintain secularism, fight for women’s economic rights, and defeat violence. The dossier closes with the following assessment: ‘The ongoing Indian farmers’ movement, which started before the pandemic and continues to stay strong, offers the opportunity to steer the national discourse towards such an agenda. The tremendous participation of rural women, who travelled from different states to take turns sitting at the borders of the national capital for days, is a historic phenomenon. Their presence in the farmers’ movement provides hope for the women’s movement in a post-pandemic future’.

    10. The People’s Steel Plant and the Fight Against Privatisation in Visakhapatnam (dossier no. 55, August 2022). One of my favourite texts produced by the TRS team, this dossier tells the story of the workers of Rashtriya Ispat Nigam Limited, who have fought against the government’s attempts to privatise this public steel company. Not much is written about this struggle led by brave steel workers who are mostly forgotten or, if remembered, then maligned. They stand beside the furnaces, rolling the steel out and tempering it, driven by a desire to build better canals for the farmers, to build beams for schools and hospitals, and to build the infrastructure so that their communities can transcend the dilemmas of humanity. If you try to privatise the factory, they sing, ‘Visakha city will turn into a steel furnace, North Andhra into a battlefield… We will defend our steel with our lives’.

    11. Activist Research: How the All-India Democratic Women’s Association Builds Knowledge to Change the World (dossier no. 58, November 2022). The dossier on Visakha Steel was built in conversation with steel workers and reflected the evolving methodology of TRS. To sharpen this method, the team met with R. Chandra to discuss how the All-India Democratic Women’s Association (AIDWA) has used ‘activist research’ in the state of Tamil Nadu. Chandra shows how AIDWA designed surveys, trained local activists to conduct them among local populations, and taught the activists how to assess the results. ‘AIDWA’s members no longer need a professor to help them’, she told TRS. ‘They formulate their own questions and conduct their own field studies when they take up an issue. Since they know the value of the studies, these women have become a key part of AIDWA’s local work, bringing this research into the organisation’s campaigns, discussing the findings in our various committees, and presenting it at our different conferences’. This activist research not only produces knowledge of the particularities of hierarchies that operate in a given place; it also trains the activists to become ‘new intellectuals’ of their struggles and leaders in their communities.

    12. The Condition of the Indian Working Class (dossier no. 64, May 2023). In the early days of the pandemic, the Indian government told millions of workers to go back to their homes, mostly in rural areas. Many of them walked thousands of kilometres under the burning hot sun, terrible stories of death and despair following their caravan. This dossier emerged out of a long-term interest in cataloguing the situation of India’s workers, whose precariousness was revealed in the early days of the pandemic. The last section of the dossier reflects on their struggles: ‘Class struggle is not the invention of unions or of workers. It is a fact of life for labour in the capitalist system. … In August 1992, textile workers in Bombay took to the streets in their undergarments, declaring that the new order would leave them in abject poverty. Their symbolic gesture continues to reflect the current reality of Indian workers in the twenty-first century: they have not surrendered in the face of the rising power of capital. They remain alive to the class struggle’.

    The Delhi Police investigators who took the material from the TRS office have each of these twelve dossiers in hand. I recommend that they print them and share them with the rest of the force, including with Police Commissioner Sanjay Arora. If the Delhi Police is interested, I would be happy to develop a seminar on our materials for them.

    Study and struggle shaped the Indian freedom movement. Gandhi, for instance, read voraciously and even translated Plato’s The Apology into Gujarati, rooted in the belief that reading and study sharpened his sense not only of how to struggle but how to build a better world.

    This post was originally published on Dissident Voice.

  • Union activity continued to increase in the most recent fiscal year, according to new National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) data, showing the sustained momentum of the labor movement as workers wage historic strikes. According to case processing data released on Friday, union filings were up by 3 percent in FY 2023, a period beginning in October 2022 and ending in September 2023. A total of 2,594…

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    Janine Jackson interviewed Justicia Lab’s Rodrigo Camarena about wage theft for the October 6, 2023, episode of CounterSpin. This is a lightly edited transcript.

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    Retail Dive: Retail shrink, theft changed little in 2022

    Retail Dive (9/27/23)

    Janine Jackson: Investigation by the National Retail Federation found that the effect of store theft by shoplifters and by employees is largely on par with historical trends. But mere data don’t stand a chance against corporate media’s energetic interest in the smash-and-grab phenomenon, which they confidently explain is the reason that Target, for instance, is closing stores in what one news account called “a series of liberal cities.”

    News media can make something a crisis, a thing you should worry about, when they want to. Video can be found; harmed people can be interviewed.

    But what if there’s no CCTV? What if the harm isn’t being done erratically, sporadically, caught on camera—but every day, in documents, in tax filings, in one-on-one unrecorded conversations between employees who need their job, and bosses who want their profit rate?

    News media interested in crime—its impact on human beings, on society, its cost to the economy—would be interested in wage theft, the more than $50 billion a year stolen from workers in this country. But when is the last time your nightly local news talked about that, or encouraged you to be outraged and concerned and moved to action about that? There are efforts to address this ongoing, mundane thievery, but so far it seems to be under the radar of news outlets that, in every other way, suggest they care very much about crime, all the time.

    NPQ: How to End Wage Theft—And Advance Immigrant Justice

    NonProfit Quarterly (9/6/23)

    Rodrigo Camarena is director of Justicia Lab, and co-author, with Cristobal Gutierrez, of the article “How to End Wage Theft—and Advance Immigrant Justice” that appeared earlier this month on NonProfitQuarterly.org. He is also co-creator of ¡Reclamo!, a tech-enabled initiative to combat wage theft.

    He joins us now by phone. Welcome to CounterSpin, Rodrigo Camarena.

    Rodrigo Camarena: Hi, Janine. Thank you so much for having me.

    JJ: I don’t think it’s crazy to say that many people truly don’t know what wage theft is, how it happens, what it is. What would you have us know about, first of all, the scale and the impact of wage theft? What does it look like?

    RC: Sure. Wage theft is so common and so ubiquitous that we don’t really consider it in our day-to-day lives. But, like you mentioned, it’s this huge problem. It’s actually the largest form of theft, when you compare it to burglaries, armed robberies, motor vehicle thefts combined. And it happens whenever a worker is deprived of the wages that they’re owed lawfully. So that could mean not being paid a minimum wage, not being paid overtime, having deductions from someone’s paycheck made, or just not paying someone; they show up at the job one day and the person that hired them isn’t there anymore. Failing to honor sick leave or other benefits is another form of wage theft.

    So it’s very common. It’s a term that we use as advocates to underline what is happening here, which is that you’re being deprived of what you’re owed and it’s being taken from you, but it’s not a legal term per se.

    JJ: Yeah, I always think of the older sibling that holds your hand and makes you hit yourself, and says, “Why are you hitting yourself?” It’s like, something is going on, but you’re not allowed to complain about it, because somehow it’s your fault. Somehow you didn’t take that pay stub home and say, oh wait, I’m owed this and I didn’t get this. It seems like it’s a very invisible kind of crime.

    Rodrigo Camarena:

    Rodrigo Camarena: “In some sectors and industries, it’s more likely for you to be a victim of wage theft than to be paid your full wage.”

    RC: That’s right. It’s something that happens on a daily basis, actually, and in some sectors and industries, it’s more likely for you to be a victim of wage theft than to be paid your full wage. And it’s a problem that disproportionately impacts low-wage workers, women and immigrants, and in particular undocumented immigrants, who often don’t feel like they can stand up for themselves, or request what they’re owed lawfully, because of their status.

    So I think there’s a lot of misinformation about your rights as a worker that might prevent people from standing up for themselves and defending these rights, but this is part of the challenge in addressing this problem.

    JJ: I wanted to ask you, there does seem to be a particular impact on immigrants here, and it’s not to say that it doesn’t affect low-wage workers across the board, but immigrants are in a particularly precarious situation.

    RC: That’s right. And in the state of New York, where I am, and I think this is probably the case in many other states, it’s twice as likely for you to experience wage theft if you’re foreign-born than if you’re native-born.

    This makes complete sense, when you think about immigrant labor in this country. It’s often some of the toughest jobs, that a lot of people don’t want to do, but that immigrants are willing to do because they need income; they’re here to work and contribute. And that puts them in a precarious position, because it allows the employer to not only pay them very little, in many cases less than they’re lawfully owed, but also exposes them to other forms of exploitation and harassment.

    We can talk about sexual harassment, we can talk about discrimination because of language, of country of origin, gender or sex, and these are overlapping issues that really do a lot of harm to people that we depend on for some of the most critical industries in our country.

    JJ: And I know that victims often don’t even understand that they were supposed to be paid for overtime, or they were supposed to get sick leave. There’s an absence of education from the jump, so that workers don’t even know what they’re entitled to.

    RC: That’s right. Very few people will tell you what the minimum wage is, both federally or at the state level. It’s difficult to know sometimes that there’s been a change to sick leave laws in the state, or wages. And so much of the problem is really about getting this information out there more proactively.

    In the state of New York, again, where I am, it’s actually required that an employer communicate what your wage is and if that wage has changed, and they can be fined for not doing so. But this is not the case across the country, and it’s often not the case even when it is mandated by law.

    Times Union: Wage theft is a serious crime. We're finally treating it that way.

    Albany Times Union (9/12/23)

    JJ: Well, that’s the thing. I mean, I’ve read about efforts to combat wage theft, and there is legislation in the works, and I hope to talk about it. Kathy Hochul, here in New York, is saying wage theft is now larceny under New York penal law, which means that prosecutors can seek stronger penalties.

    But what are your thoughts in general, in terms of the legal—this is a crime, theft is a crime, but what are your thoughts on the state of the legal response to this problem?

    RC: Absolutely. Theft is a crime, and I think we need to understand it. It’s not just a crime that impacts workers who have been victims of wage theft, but it’s a crime that impacts all of us.

    Wage theft contributes to poverty; the Department of Labor study of California and New York, showed this a couple of years back. It contributes to people’s need to use public benefits or welfare, and it steals from city and state tax revenues.

    So it’s a crime that doesn’t just hurt the most vulnerable amongst us, but it’s a crime that impacts all of us indirectly. We need to treat it as a societal crime. We need to treat it as the severe act of injustice that it is. And I think raising the cost for employers is certainly one approach. In some municipalities, businesses can lose their licenses if they are found to be repeat offenders. So there’s a lot of policy solutions.

    But I think part of what we need to understand is that there’s also a cultural expectation at this point that if you are either a low-wage worker, a new worker, someone who has been marginalized by society, that you shouldn’t expect more than what you might be paid by an employer. And I think that’s wrong.

    CBS: Wage theft often goes unpunished despite state systems meant to combat it

    CBS News (6/30/23)

    JJ: And I want to just pull you back, in terms of the problem, that sometimes folks will say, “Oh, they won this case,” but sometimes even when you win, workers don’t collect. I just wanted to just bring you back to the reality of it, that the law may say, yes, wage theft happened here, and it still might not be possible to make workers whole.

    RC: That’s right. In many cases, even when an employer is found guilty of having committed wage theft, they might then declare bankruptcy, and in some cases start a new company where they go ahead and repeat these same offenses. There are some efforts to try to hold assets accountable and put them on liens, in the event that a business has declared bankruptcy.

    But, you’re right, the problem is also structural. We punish businesses after the fact. There isn’t a lot of prevention that’s happening during the event of wage theft, right? Many folks report after they’ve had their wages stolen, or they’ve been fired by their employer.

    So I think there needs to be a lot of work at the local and state level to encourage people to report wage theft, to encourage people to know and understand their rights, and find solutions while they’re being victimized.

    JJ: Right, and then I want to ask: Why do workers, who are already so vulnerable, who already have their whole life hanging by the thread of this job, why do they have to be the one to bring the complaints? I know that that brings us back to how Justicia Lab worked with Make the Road New York to develop this ¡Reclamo! tool. And I want to ask you to talk about the need that you saw for that, and then talk a little bit about this ¡Reclamo! tool and what it does.

    CPI: Ripping off workers without consequences

    Center for Public Integrity (5/4/21)

    RC: Sure. So the ¡Reclamo! app was a collaborative effort between us at Justicia Lab, which is a program of Pro Bono Net, and Make the Road New York, a worker center here in New York City and New York state.

    And I think the need we saw was twofold. One, in the short term, there aren’t enough lawyers to help address every wage theft claim, or enough investigators at the state level to investigate these claims. So we said, how can we use technology that, one, helps someone identify if they’ve been a victim of wage theft and, two, file a wage theft claim in New York State, but also perform strategies that we know are effective at recovering stolen wages, like writing a demand letter, which is typically written by an attorney, or just calling the employer and having a structured conversation around how they can settle this matter.

    So ¡Reclamo! does all those three things. It files a complaint with the state of New York. It produces a demand letter, which is something a lawyer might make, and it helps you have a conversation with an employer around what wages you’re owed and how they can settle the matter.

    And I think in the long term, what we’re really trying to do with this tool is empower non-lawyers to feel comfortable navigating this very convoluted process, and also give advocates data that they can use to tackle the structural problem here, to inform enforcement.

    In some cases, advocates like Make the Road have approached the Department of Labor and said: “Hey, we see a problem in the car wash industry. Can we approach this problem together, enforce this problem together?” And that’s been effective as a strategy as well.

    So there’s a number of solutions that we’re trying to put forward with this initiative, and we’re very excited about the response so far.

    Axios: Labor looks to Healey on wage theft

    Axios Boston (1/12/23)

    JJ: Do you see any role at the federal level for this? I mean, it seems such an across-the-board problem, and I read about Maura Healey, I read about people, and it sounds like people are saying, “We’re going to pass some legislation to make crime illegal”—wage theft should already be illegal, and so is it a matter of enforcement? And do you see any role at all at the federal level here?

    RC: Definitely. I mean, the federal government can do a lot. One, they can start by raising the federal minimum wage, which has been $7.25 for decades, but they can invest more in enforcement. They can invest more in public education. They can increase the cost to employers that might commit wage theft, repeat offenders.

    And they can help advocates by sharing data proactively, both federal data and state-level data around this problem. There’s a lot of information that we still don’t have about the scale of this problem, and I think if there’s better collaboration between advocates and government, we can really make a dent on this issue.

    JJ: I can’t really see a more compelling story for news media. They’re reporting every day about people’s difficulties, and the idea that somehow they would not include the fact that their employers are systematically keeping their wages, while they’re out of the other side of their mouth fighting to make those wages lower, that they’re keeping some of the wages that these people have actually earned.

    I don’t understand why that is not a meaningful story. It’s a story about crime and violence, frankly. People’s lives are being affected here. And so I just wanted to, finally, ask you, what do you make of media coverage of wage theft, but also just of the conditions around it that allow it, that support it? Is there anything that you would change about the way reporters approach the issue?

    RC: I think we have to recognize that wage theft and worker exploitation is, in many cases, built into the business models of many industries. Our food is relatively inexpensive, given the amount of labor it takes to grow and pick it. Our restaurants and other services, domestic work, it’s severely undercompensated, and that’s by design, in many cases. But it’s also something that we don’t talk about.

    We don’t talk about immigrant labor being the backbone of a number of industries; what we do talk about, I guess on the right, is immigrants stealing jobs and incurring more costs for society. But we don’t talk about the subsidy that they provide to many businesses and many industries.

    We don’t talk about our dependence on low-wage work. And I think that’s the reality that many Americans and policymakers don’t want to address, because it’s complicated, and it forces a conversation around comprehensive immigration reform and workers’ rights more broadly, which I know is something that in many cases is just not popular to talk about.

    JJ: Who would reporters talk to that might change the story that they tell?

    RC: I think talking to large agricultural producers, talking to restaurant groups, talking to construction companies that, in many cases, employ immigrant workers to get the job done at a certain cost, I think would be valuable. We don’t scrutinize the cost of labor in many of these industries.

    Even as consumers, we don’t want to know that our food was grown and picked by someone that was making $8 an hour, or was being paid by each piece of crop that they harvested. We don’t want to know that someone that is in the service industry isn’t getting paid an hourly minimum wage, or getting paid on tips, or not being paid at all in many cases, because they’re maybe earning their ability to one day perform that job.

    So I think there’s a lot of different approaches that we can take to understanding this problem, but it does require understanding how businesses have built this into their business model, as well as the societal impact at large when it comes to how families are affected, and also how states are undercut when it comes to the collection of tax revenue.

    JJ: We’ve been speaking with Rodrigo Camarena. He’s director of Justicia Lab online at JusticiaLab.org, and you can learn about that ¡Reclamo! tool that we’re talking about at MakeTheRoadNY.org. Thank you so much, Rodrigo Camarena, for joining us this week on CounterSpin.

    RC: Thanks so much, Janine. Happy to be here.

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  • The decade from 2010 to 2020 was one that saw more people around the world participating in mass protests than at any other point in human history. And yet, looking back, the results of so many of these mass protests, the societal changes that followed, were the opposite of what protestors were demanding. In his new book, If We Burn: The Mass Protest Decade and the Missing Revolution, award-winning journalist and foreign correspondent Vincent Bevins asks: Why? In this special episode, recorded at The Real News Network studio in Baltimore, TRNN Editor-in-Chief Maximillian Alvarez talks to Bevins about his new book and about his own working life as a journalist covering people’s uprisings around the world.

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    Vincent Bevins:

    Yeah. Hi. My name is Vincent Bevins and I’m a journalist and I’m the author of If We Burn: The Mass Protest Decade and The Missing Revolution, which comes out this October with Public Affairs. Before that, I wrote a book called The Jakarta Method, which came out in 2020. And before that, I’ve served as foreign correspondent primarily around the world since about 2008 for publications like The Financial Times, Los Angeles Times, and Washington Post.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    All right, welcome everyone to another episode of Working People, a podcast about the lives, jobs, dreams, and struggles of the working class today brought to you in partnership with In These Times Magazine and The Real News Network produced by Jules Taylor and made possible by the support of listeners like you.

    My name is Maximilian Alvarez and I am beyond excited, because as you guys heard, we got my man, Vincent Bevins here in Baltimore. We are sitting right now in the Real News Network studio. Vince is beginning the book tour for his incredible new book, which he mentioned at the top, which is titled, If We Burn: The Mass Protest Decade and The Missing Revolution. If you have been living under a rock and haven’t come across Vincent’s work, including The Jakarta Method and this book, you need to correct that yesterday. I promise you, if you listen to this show, you were going to learn a hell of a lot from Vincent’s work.

    And it’s really going to shake you to your core, but I think in a good and necessary way, because the work that he does is not only vital for us to understand the moment that we’re in and the long road of repression that created the sort of conditions in which we are living and organizing today, not only in the US but around the world. But I do truly believe that there are a lot of points of intersection in the work that Vincent does and the work that we do here and the movements that we cover every week on this show.

    And in fact, his new book, If We Burn, it forces a really important but tough conversation that I think we all need to have. Looking back, particularly, on the past decade, particularly between 2010 and 2020, taking stock of just the incredible amount of social upheaval and people’s rebellions that have taken place in that time and sort of asking the very open and honest question of how successful were these movements? What change have they actually brought about in us and the societies that we live in? How have the establishment, the police, the military, the powers that be responded to these mass demonstrations of humanity rising up and crying for better and fighting for better? How has the establishment responded to those?

    And I think that what Vincent lays out in this book is an incredibly sobering answer to that question, and I want to dig into this book and to Vincent’s work itself, which we’re going to do in a second. But just to sort of set the table here, I want to read y’all a little passage from the introduction to Vincent’s new book. And as always, when we do these special episodes of the show, when we’re focusing on books and stuff like that, the goal here is not to try to condense and summarize this massive important book into a one-hour conversation. The point is to interest y’all enough that you go out, buy it, and read it yourself, and then reach out to us and let us know what you think.

    So to get that process started, I wanted to read from the intro here where Vincent writes, “In the past decade, from 2010 to 2020, around the world, humanity witnessed the explosion of mass protests that heralded profound changes. They were experienced as euphoric victory for their participants and met with adulation and optimism in the international press. But years later, after most of the foreign reporters were gone, we see that the uprisings proceeded, if not necessarily caused outcomes that were very different from the goals of the movements. Nowhere did things turn out as planned. In far too many cases, things got much worse according to the standards articulated by the streets themselves.

    Indeed, it might even be possible to tell the story of that decade as the story of mass protests and their unexpected consequences. At the risk of appearing over ambitious, this book will attempt to do just that. What happens if we try to write the story of the world from 2010 to 2020, guided by one puzzling question, how is it possible that so many mass protests apparently led to the opposite of what they asked for?”

    All right, so again, if you don’t want to go buy the book and read it with that intro alone, you need to check your pulse, but we are going to dig into this book in more depth with Vincent now. But before we get there, man, I told you before we recorded, on the show, we really love to get to know more about the backstories of the working people that we talk to. And you even start this book with yourself as a journalist on the ground in the midst of all this. So I wanted to do a condensed version of the Working People standard format here and start by getting to know a little more about you, your backstory, and your path into doing this work, writing The Jakarta Method, writing If We Burn, being a foreign correspondent, how did you end up where you ended up?

    Vincent Bevins:

    Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I would love to and thanks so much for having me and for that introduction. I’m really grateful for you pointing to that particular bit of the book, which I think is really the thing that kept me up at night for now 10 years since the scene that you just described. The opening scene of the book where I’m in Sao Paulo as a foreign correspondent and has really occupied me for the last four years when I worked on this book basically full time. But before all of that, I grew up in Southern California. I went to University of Northern California. I was always interested in reading and writing and politics and history and political economy, but I believed that I was going to become an academic. As an undergraduate, I was the kind of a graduate that thought the thing to do was to keep going. I thought I was going to do a PhD in political philosophy, but I also-

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Same. Not the political philosophy part.

    Vincent Bevins:

    You thought you were going to be an academic.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Oh, yeah, I tried. They kindly booted me out.

    Vincent Bevins:

    I was offered a bridge onto that burning building that I did not take because, I mean, it would’ve been a great experience, but there wouldn’t have been a job at the end for me at the end of it, political philosophy, whatever. Eight years later after that PhD is finished. What happened was I thought, okay, I’m going to get my Spanish and my German in tiptop shape. So before I start this PhD, went to live in Berlin for a bit, worked there at a pizza restaurant that I was hired to help set up strangely because I had that experience back in Oakland and Berkeley. And then in Venezuela, I arrived looking for any kind of work, anything that I … I had written a little bit about the political situation in Venezuela. I knew that politics was happening there, but all I really cared about was just finding some way to work in Caracas and live in Spanish every day so that I could go back and be an academic afterwards.

    I wasn’t looking at journalism. I didn’t think I was going to be a journalist. I wasn’t one of the kids that was like, I love newspapers. I love the news. But something that popped up, and this is the origin story of many foreign correspondents, is that while I was out there, there was an English language newspaper at the time, it was called The Daily Journal, has a long history in Venezuela that was desperate to get people to fill out some of their special edition that they were doing. I knew somebody that knew somebody that worked there. They asked me if I would write some things. I was like, “I never thought about that.” I wanted to work purely in Spanish, but I could write these things in English. I liked it. It became a way to work and make money in Venezuela at the time.

    Not long afterwards, I realized through interactions with other foreign correspondence that I could pitch articles to international newspapers. That sort of worked and I realized, okay, these are coming out now, whereas my possible PhD would come out in eight years, so this is cool. I’m actually sort of somehow involved in what’s going on here. But I do do a master’s, a nine-month master’s in London. After that, I go straight to the Financial Times. And two years later, when Brazil is really booming, when at the end of Lula’s second term, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, the head of the workers’ party, former metal worker and union leader, is ending his second term with insanely high approval ratings up to 88% at some point. The economy is booming. Brazil’s really stepping onto the world stage.

    At The Financial Times, the opportunity comes up to add a second person to their coverage down there, and I say, “Okay, great. I’m going.” I do that and I’m in Brazil for six years, eventually switching to the LA Times, after six years of that, which is … Being a Brazil correspondent is still probably the core experience of my working life. Then when I get to Indonesia to start covering Southeast Asia for the Washington Post, I realized that you really can’t tell this story without looking at the mass murder of 1965. And I wrote my first book and I enjoyed writing that book so much that I decided to write another. But I do think, this comes up in the second book, not only because I happened to be there, so I can’t tell the story honestly without putting myself in it, but I do think that the conditions under which foreign correspondence operate have gotten worse, and they were always very, very imperfect.

    As I write in the book, foreign correspondence has always had a tendency to reproduce [inaudible 00:11:11] colonial dynamics. The tendencies, the changes in the industry and the subjective conditions that individual reporters face have made that dynamic, I think, much worse and we’re at a moment of dangerously thin and poorly motivated coverage of global affairs, which is another reason I wanted to put myself into the book so I could, not launch an attack, but to engage in some sort of productive criticism of my industry.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    I want to do my best, like Larry King here, and ask, if we could expand on that just a bit, because it is a really, I think, important analytical intervention that a lot of people just don’t think about how the world of foreign correspondence can reinscribe networks of imperial power, but also what that means in the sort of broader political economy of journalism, which as we know, is shit, it’s not great. And this is something that I think about all the time here as the editor-in-chief of The Real News Network.

    For example, for two years now, we’ve all been talking about the war in Ukraine and here at The Real News in the, I think, preliminary six, seven months of the war, we were covering it as much as we possibly could from as many angles as we possibly could. But I’ll be honest, I started to get increasingly uncomfortable, not just here, but with the English-speaking media in the ways that they were covering it, including left and progressive media where people obviously had very strong opinions about the war, what was happening, and we’re all interested, we all want to know what’s happening. But what struck me as someone who was dumb enough to get two degrees in Russian was like, no one speaks Ukrainian or Russian here.

    Vincent Bevins:

    No one’s doing any reading or reporting. People are just looking at the internet and then-

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    They’re just looking at the internet and responding to it.

    Vincent Bevins:

    And coming up with their opinions about what they read on the internet and then putting them back on the internet.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Exactly. I was like, that’s not journalism. I don’t want to not cover this story, but this is weird.

    Vincent Bevins:

    The industry, that is, tragically, it is economically rational to act that way in the current media environment. In the current media environment, doing the work is a bad idea, economically. If you want to get the most bang for your buck, if you want to get the most engagement for your hours of labor, it makes more sense to come up with a really spicy take on whatever you read on the internet that morning than to learn Russian, spend a decade getting to know all the different types of Ukrainians, the complexity of political opinion in that country, and then coming back with a nuanced analysis. And this is, again, I never, without wanting to come anywhere near close to falling into the trap of being like journalists are heroes, and you should care about me and my because I’m fine.

    And that’s not the point, the point is that when you have the worsening conditions for journalism in general, but especially international journalism, because that’s what I know best, the consequence is that the victims are not just people like me. Who cares about people like me? The consequence is a real distortion of the production of knowledge and a distorted view of the world that we have because the less and less people that we have to dedicate real time to actual reporting and with the sort of job stability that allow them to think, okay, what is really true, rather than what is it that I can say that will help my career in the short term?

    You can see, when you look at that dynamic, that internal subjective dynamic, which I sketch out a little in the book, you could see why it becomes a real problem that resources are drying up for international journalism. And another dynamic that I think, and this was already kind of bad in 2010, this was already the case. It was already the case that it tends to be middle class or higher men from the first world that are running around the rest of the planet interpreting and explaining the world’s events. But at least when I started 15 years ago, and this was more true 25 years ago, and it was more true 40 years ago, you could kind of do it as a job. Now in 2023, as a rule, the only people that can really run around doing this are people that are born into quite a lot of money and can go out there knowing that maybe this is not going to lead to any kind of an income whatsoever.

    And again, who cares about those people? But what we lose is all of the working class people, all the people from the global south that could be doing that job too, bringing their own perspectives, but would never make that decision because they have to make money because they have a family and they have to pay the bills. And so I like to pay attention, as you say, to the political of media, political economy of media, not because the press corps of the liberal mainstream media in DC and New York need anyone’s tears or that we need to be held up in the way that the media loves to act that we do. It’s because you get a distorted view of the world if you have shrinking resources and increasingly oligarch-owned outlets, and you create a situation in which people from diverse backgrounds, and indeed diverse geographic locations, can be part of this very important job, which is the production of knowledge about the world.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    No, I think that’s beautifully put. I’m over here nodding like an idiot. But again, this directly concerns all of us, everyone listening to this. The people that we interview on this show, the first thing that came to mind was like you said, there’s nuance here. For God’s sake, we can have a little bit of nuance here because I remember trying to inject that nuance earlier this year while reporting on the labor struggles that we’ve been seeing in the media industry. So when Tucker Carlson was fired from Fox News, Don Lemon was fired from CNN, no one shed a tear over those two. Those guys are fine, and also they both fucking suck, pardon my French. But people look at them as kind of a cipher for the whole of the media industry, but you can have a reality where people like Don Lemon and Tucker Carlson, the most visible members of the corporate media, the media elite, whatever the hell you want to call them, they exist in the same ecosystem as striking journalists at the Pittsburgh Post Gazette who have been on strike for literally almost exactly a year now.

    They walked out of the job in October of last year. We’ve interviewed folks from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. There are five unions involved across that paper’s production. They’ve been holding the line this entire time, they’ve been producing a strike paper for free. But what those journalists have told us repeatedly is our paper is owned by this kind of elite rich family. They are the oligarchic owners who have a very different vision for this institution, the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, which has a storied legacy that goes back 200 years, does produce vital journalism so that people in and around the region can better know what life is like in that region. And these workers are out there covering the catastrophic train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, just across the border. They’re covering Starbucks workers in Pittsburgh, SAG actor members striking in Pittsburgh. Not even just labor stories, but a bunch of vital stories that that public needs to know and at a level that the kind of deep attention and journalistic rigor that those folks can provide.

    So those two things can exist at once, but if we just say, well, mainstream media “is all the same. We got to get rid of all of them. Just subscribe to your favorite Substack.” We’re not taking full account of what is going to actually be lost, and what, in fact, we have been losing basically the past half century.

    Vincent Bevins:

    I think most of it’s lost.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    It’s gone.

    Vincent Bevins:

    There’s enough to keep your attention. There’s The New York Times, which is putting out a huge amount of content every day. But the decimation of the local journalism, which at the risk of sounding a little bit provocative, local coverage of local politics is necessary for democracy to exist. You can’t have, in the longterm, democracy without people covering City Hall.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Yeah.

    Vincent Bevins:

    And that has been decimated by changing industry conditions in the last couple of decades. And it seems like the solution is either going to be let oligarchs buy a couple big name outlets, everyone can subscribe to the really, really famous papers in New York and DC, keep those going somehow or another, and then we just let everything else die. That’s a problem for the workers that are striking, the workers that are losing their jobs in places around the country. And it’s a problem for the body politic.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    The body politic, right? The last thing I’ll say on it, because I want to steer this towards the book itself, but I could talk to you for three hours about this. But again, take any example, take the labor coverage that we do. Every paper in the 20th century, not every, but most papers used to have a labor reporter, they used to have a labor beat. That doesn’t exist anymore. They’re like four full-time labor reporters in the country, and Stephen Greenhouse only has so many more years left.

    And so you got a bunch of freelancers, independent outlets like us trying to cover that gap, and there’s no possible way we can do that. And so what that means is that more and more shitty bosses are going to feel like no one’s watching them, no one’s holding them accountable. And even if a story comes out about them, there isn’t enough sustained attention on what they’re doing for them to feel threatened enough to change their ways of doing things. Same applies to the police reporting that we do. This is a standard example. When you don’t have criminal justice reporters who have job stability and are able to invest the time that it takes to fact find and report on police misconduct, police shootings of citizens, and violations of people’s civil rights, what you get instead is outlets just regurgitating-

    Vincent Bevins:

    Running police press releases.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Police press releases. And so then you get this sort of shadow reality that the police themselves are able to create, and the media becomes this sort of propaganda arm of it pumping this distorted reality back through the air vents of our culture. And that’s a really, really big problem. But this also does connect directly to where you start your book. And we’re going to kind of finish our conversation sort of talking about this, is what role have journalists like you, like me, but also thinking about the broader media ecosystem. What role has that played in representing and even misrepresenting the social movements of the past 13 years, the impact they were having, the sustainability of those movements, so on and so forth. So I want us to end up there, but let’s go back to Sao Paulo for a second.

    Vincent Bevins:

    Yes.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    So again, taking you working journalist in Sao Paulo at the beginning of what would become a very intense decade of social struggle around the world. Why did you start there? And walk me through there to this book coming together? Because like you said, there was a needle in your brain that you couldn’t get out. So walk me through that path.

    Vincent Bevins:

    It is all related actually to the question of media representation and the consequences of that dynamic on, not only the interpretation of what happens on the streets, but indeed what happens on the streets. The concrete configuration of forces are shaped themselves by media representation. And this is something that happened in a very strange way in June, 2013, very close to my house in downtown Sao Paulo. I, indeed, was there, but it was just came to me sort of like history with a capital H came knocking on all of our doors and things took a turn that were very, very bizarre. And I think that I, and almost everybody else in the country, spent the next decade trying to figure out how to understand. And there was a proliferation of possible interpretations, and I think that’s a characteristic of the particular type of protest that we saw in this decade.

    And we can get into what that was later, if you like. But what happened is I got back from the jungle when I was talking with indigenous people that were under attack in the interior of Brazil, and then I attended the fourth protest put on by the Movimento Passe Livre, MPL, or the Free Fare Movement, which was a group in Brazil founded in 2005, that has always pushed for the full decommodification of public transportation. All bus should be free. Everything’s free. They were punks and leftists and anarchists, and they had been on the streets trying to agitate for the city government of Sao Paulo to overturn a price rise in the bus fare.

    Now, the government of Brazil at the time, and indeed, the government of Sao Paulo were from the Workers’ Party, the left of center party that had been very popular and was fully committed themselves to the expansion of social democracy as much as possible in the country. On the morning of June 13th, 2013, Brazil’s major outlets, one of which I was working inside of and not exactly for, called for the military police. And the military police in Brazil are the legacy of the US-backed dictatorship. Cops are military cops. The mainstream media called for the military police to crack down on these kids. The voices that mattered the most in Brazil were saying, “We’ve had enough of these. We need to get these punks and anarchists off the streets. Enough is enough. They’re causing a ruckus, repress these people.”

    Now the repression that does come comes in the way that these white and rich Brazilians should have known that it would come if they had the experience of police repression that most Brazilians do. But the cops in Brazil did what they always do, they repressed the streets and that repression hit people like me and people that worked for those outlets. The repression did not just hit the skinny punks and the black and brown people that they always repress. That repression was so swift and so complete that it hit journalists and it hit people from the respectable white middle classes in Brazil that were considered un-repressible by the dominant media forces.

    And so from the fourth to the fifth protest, the media flips. They go from saying, we need to crack down on these punks to, actually, what is happening now is a glorious, patriotic uprising, in defense of the right of self-expression itself. This is a protest for protesting. And not because of some conspiracy just in the way you described, it’s not that strapped reporters try to become police propagandists, but they’re trying to figure out what to put out. And the dominant media in Brazil, because of their deep ideological assumptions, their own belief systems, they have to say what this new big explosion that they’ve now flipped into supporting is about. And they supply interpretations that are more center right and liberal and more conservative and more, and so they tell the country-

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    This is like the Kylie Jenner, Join the Conversation kind of protest?

    Vincent Bevins:

    Yeah. People come out with every single type of sign that you can imagine because they’ve been told by the media, because media representation is essential to the existence of protests in the first place. You’re never going to go out there if you can’t reach people that can’t physically see with your own eyes, right? Human beings can only see what’s in front of their face. So since the beginning, protest has always relied on media representation. So with mass media telling the country X is going to happen, we have this type of a protest that we support that is patriotic and more sort of one size fits all answer to everything, in favor of everything that’s good and against everything that’s bad. The fifth protest brings people onto the streets that are trying to join a protest that doesn’t actually exist.

    They show up trying to join a protest movement, which is actually in conflict with the people that were there one week before. And this ends up ending in battles on the streets. And ultimately, and I witnessed this too, they cracked down on me too, but I wasn’t one of the famous cases that went viral that made everything flip. Ultimately, just a week later, what we could now identify as the beginning of the [foreign language 00:29:11] movement, conservative thuggish street forces actually violently expel the original leftist parties from the streets just a week later. And the question of media representation, I think, is essential to seeing how that happens. And then things kind of die down. But now, if you talk to the [foreign language 00:29:33] movement, they will tell you, “Oh yeah, we were born in the streets in June, 2013.”

    If you talk to the original leftists and anarchists, and I spent a lot of the last four years doing hundreds of interviews with the organizers of these movements, and especially them, they will tell you, “Well, it was really about bringing down bus fares and expansion of the welfare state and public services for poor people.” The media will have a different interpretation. The media might say, oh no, was about standing up for self-expression. The PT, the Workers’ Party, might say this was the moment which created the conditions that ultimately led to a parliamentary coup against Dilma Rousseff and the imprisonment of Lula and the election of Bolsonaro.

    All four of those interpretations, I think, for being as wildly contradictory as they are, are all right. They’re all possible. It’s possible to find facts to support all of those different explanations. And so this kind of an intensely troubling process is one that me and a lot of my friends went through in Brazil. How is it that the whole country stood up asking for X and got the opposite? How is it that Bolsonaro comes out of a movement to lower the price of the commute for working people in the country?

    And so this was on my mind for the rest of the decade, as it was for almost everybody I know in Brazil. And so every time that something like this bubbled up around the world, I was paying close attention thinking, well, I wonder if it kind of is going to go the way that this did. It never it was the exact same outcome, but I found that certain dynamics started to repeat themselves. And one of the most important dynamics that repeated itself, coming back to my own profession, was the inability of my class to appreciate the complexity of what was happening on the streets and the way that that had consequences for, not only how the world understands what happened, but for indeed, what happened on the streets.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Well, let’s kind of keep tugging on that thread. Because again, we’re not going to be able to compile all the different parts of the world that you look at in this book, but just to sort of fill out a bit that composite picture for folks, I think it’s just another part of the ways that the media shapes this conversation is because we’ve just been careening farther and farther into the gullet of a hyper-mediated 21st century reality where the news cycle moves at a split second. We are ever more addicted to our phones social media, COVID-19, when it was kind of like a forced evolution in human society where people, even if they were maybe more resistant to social media or watching the news, were kind of forced into a position where their connection to the outside world was mediated through these things. And I think we’ve been seeing the sort of ripple effects of the political after effects of that.

    Vincent Bevins:

    I think it was an acceleration of a lot of unhealthy dynamics.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Yeah, very much so. But I say that to say, because of that, one of the other symptoms of this era that we’re living in is just like a constant fatigue and a constant sense that the bad news just keeps piling up. And it does, but that makes it hard to sort of look back even 10, 12, 13 years ago and sort of realize that actually a lot has happened in a relatively short amount of time. So we not only have Sao Paulo, but we have, take your pick. Here in the United States, we got Ferguson, we got Occupy, we had Minneapolis and the George Floyd uprisings. And in fact, we’ve been covering something that directly proves Vincent’s thesis of, if you guys remember here on this show, we did an episode about why the fight to stop Cop City in Atlanta is a labor issue. And Kamau Franklin rightly told us that it’s like Cop City is the establishment’s response to the George Floyd protests.

    They were caught on the back foot. They did not expect that many people to hit the streets. This is their answer for how to deal with it later. But we could also talk about the Women’s March. These are not all the same thing, but, again, a lot of protest has happened, and it’s important to sort of look back and ask like, well, what were the results of that? And if we look across the world, in India, one of the most massive worker protests in human history took place, and now we got a fucking fascist far-right government in Narendra Modi. So yeah, it does seem like it’s coming up more and more that hope comes from the streets, but then that gets kind of turned into increasingly reactionary crackdowns on people. So I guess just fill out a little more of the scope of what you want to cover in this book.

    Vincent Bevins:

    And indeed, I think it’s important that the hundreds of interviews I did would not have been possible if that these people that I spoke to in 12 countries around the world starting in Tunisia, then Egypt and Bahrain and Turkey and Ukraine and Hong Kong, these people would not have wanted to sit down with me, waste their time and rehash some of the most difficult moments of their lives if the whole point was not to recognize that. There is a clear and widespread desire to improve our global system, but for whatever reason, the tactics adopted, the particular repertoire of contention, the particular way we went about it was a mismatch for what we were trying to get done. So what we can do now is get together and learn from what that mismatch was, try to fix that mismatch, and then get together and build a better world to learn from this and improve. Because in one way, the hard parts really already out of the way.

    If you have the desire, you can see that people want to improve the world. People are willing to risk their lives. People are willing to stand up and ask for it, but all you have to do is just tinker with the tactics, tinker with the approach. Well, then that’s great. Then we get together and then this is worth doing. The whole point is to look forward with these people. And with that ultimate goal, what we did is look back on a decade, which started in 2010, and which erupted first in Tunisia. But then as you mentioned, this wildfire spreads very quickly across the world and just never really goes out. I think it’s still not out. But we can look at the decade as one in which a particular type of response to injustice and government abuse became hegemonic, if not, indeed, seeming the only natural way to respond. But there is no such thing as a natural political project.

    There is no way humans don’t respond to things with, there is no magical force which makes humans do the right thing in response to a problem. You have to build on centuries of ideological and political and historical formation to explain how a certain approach became dominant. And I do that in the book, but I don’t want to go deep into that history, but I take apart all of these constituent elements and explain where they came from.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Well, and just to parenthetically qualify that, you trace in the first chapter, it’s just like how and why did mass protest emerge as the seeming vehicle to achieve social change.

    Vincent Bevins:

    Exactly. And by the 2010s, it was not just mass protest, it was a particular type. It was the apparently leaderless, horizontally organized, digitally coordinated mass protest in public squares or public spaces. And for whatever reasons, and these reasons emerge in the history that we tell in the book, in the story. I think if you pick up the book, you’ll see that it really is kind of a history rather than a set of arguments. But these reasons emerge in that story. This turned out to be a poor fit for the conditions that these very protest movements created. In many ways, this particular repertoire of contention, this particular recipe was far better than anyone expected it, putting people on the streets and either destabilizing or indeed overthrowing existing governments, but very, very poorly suited to deal with the situation created by all those people on the streets.

    And so you start in Tunisia and you end, I end the decade at the beginning of 2020 because it helps to, well, I also started in 2019, it helped to bracket what I was doing. And you see across that decade, not only the contagion of the energy, but some often the copying and pasting of tactics that were developed in one, very, very different national historical political circumstances. And indeed, the copying and pasting of those tactics after they had already been proven to fail in the first place. But people like me had stopped paying attention. People like me, as you mentioned in that first quote, the former reporters had shown up for the moment of glorious, euphoric victory and then all packed up and went somewhere else, and the whole world stopped paying attention. So the internet allowed us to take inspiration from each other, but also to copy things that were not necessarily the best suited to any given situation.

    And the goal, the idea is that in 10 years, you can look back on this and say, oh, well, that planted the seed for what eventually grew into real victory. But in order for that to be true 10 years from now, the next 10 years have to consist of learning those lessons and rebuilding and building better.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    I think that, again, it’s such a necessary point, but it’s a deeply uncomfortable one, especially for those of us who consider ourselves, if not activists, people who feel interpolated by what you just said. We consider ourselves in that camp of the great mass that wants things to change, and that really means that and that experiences the injustices, the compounding and intersecting injustices of a global hegemonic economic system that is just sucking all of the resources out of our societies, killing the planet, perpetuating endless war, yada, yada, yada. It makes sense that a lot of us would want that to change, the systemic oppression that we face day in, day out. And it does feel like, and did feel like, because I’m thinking now just hearing you talk, I’m thinking about all the different people that I’ve spoken to over the years who were in these sites of struggle.

    One that just came to mind right now was 2011, the Wisconsin Uprising, because there’s so much about that moment that was historic, and there’s so many parts of the tactics that you mentioned that still have a certain glow about them in the lore of the movement. Like the fact that folks in Tahrir Square were ordering pizzas for people occupying the state capitol in Madison, that is a very cool thing to have happened. And when I talked to people in Wisconsin, I was there reporting basically what is the state of public sector workers and unions in the state 10 years after Act 10? They still remember that with fondness. And they’re like, “That really inspired us and made us feel like something was changing, like we were part of a global change.” But then again, the Bevins effect comes in and it’s just like, well, what happened afterwards?

    Scott Walker still ramped through Act 10, took a battering ram to public sector workers in unions. A couple years later, Wisconsin, in many ways, the birthplace of the progressive movement in this country and one of the staples of the labor movement in this country became a right-to-work state. So we lost, right? We had the most historic mass protest in the state’s history where people, farmers, students, teachers, public sector workers of all kinds were occupying the state capitol. They took hold of it. It was like when Zapata and Villa in their forces converged on Mexico City in 1914, and then they left. And then the piece of shit comes in afterwards. So I guess what I’m saying is just like your book and this history forces us to kind of consider, it’s just like it’s okay to be inspired by those moments of solidarity without overselling their effectiveness in the struggle that we’re ultimately trying to win. And so far, we’re not.

    Vincent Bevins:

    Yeah. And when we’re talking about acts of solidarity, I don’t think it is overselling to say that the demonstration of solidarity from Egypt to the US to Brazil, Turkey, to let’s say, Indonesia, the demonstration of solidarity is something I think that you don’t have to question at all. There’s nothing about that that needs to be checked. That is one of the things that the internet brings that is, I think, great and positive, is that you can exchange gestures of goodwill and solidarity across space and time instantly.

    Now, the more difficult issue is when tactics get translated across space and time when, as I said, either conditions are very, very different. So I think that maybe almost every tactic that I can think of, there’s probably a time and a place for, but there are also many times and places when a particular tactic is not going to work, and that requires intense study, like the careful analysis of the conditions that you’re up against.

    And then again, this strange thing that happens in the 2010s when you get the transfer of tactics that actually didn’t even work in the different and original place where they were developed. And so one way you can trace this, and this works well and accidentally not so well across the decade, is that Tunisia inspires Tahrir Square. Tahrir Square is really blasted to the whole world. This is a really inspiring spectacle, for good reason, of people working together and rising up. But then you get the Tahrir Square model adopted in Western Europe and Indian and Occupy Wall Street. So Adbusters Magazine says, we need to do Tahrir Square in Manhattan. And we don’t have to go too deep into this, but I do think that Occupy Wall Street works. Occupy Wall Street gets a lot done and does plant the seeds for something good that grows out of it later, kind of precisely because it does not become a mass protest movement, because it doesn’t actually shut down Manhattan in the way that Tahrir shut down Egypt.

    To bring the Brazilian example into this, what would’ve happened if 10 million people just joined Occupy Wall Street? Then what would happen? But ironically, I think that Occupy Wall Street, even though it’s the importation of a model from a very different place, it ends up working because it provides a microphone for ideas that people have never heard before. And that plants the seeds for all kind of people that get involved in politics over the rest of the decade. But then you go to Hong Kong in 2014. In Hong Kong 2014, they’re copying Occupy Wall Street, which a copy of Tunisia, and this is after the Sisi has already taking place in Egypt. This is after the original Tahrir model. Doesn’t even work in the place that it seemed so inspiring initially, but it just continues to get recycled throughout the decade in ways which I think are understandable.

    Like I said, everyone that I sit down with, I sit down sympathetically [inaudible 00:45:58] to understand what happened. But it’s also understandable why that didn’t exactly work out the way that we would’ve wanted. This kind of a mismatch is something that, oh, yeah, okay, so let’s sit down and think about what that was. And then often, the lesson that comes out of this is that the thing that you can have, the thing that you can do that will most make you likely to succeed when an explosion comes, if it does come, is to work in the off season to build when nothing, and it seems like nothing is happening, to build organizations, to build links with your fellow human beings that also want to change the world in the way that you do. Build properly collective and democratic organizations that are paying close attention to the situation on the ground, paying close attention to the opportunities, but that also can arise and respond to, or ideally, shift tactics as conditions change.

    That tends to be those types of groups. If you want to come up with a very broad rubric, like I said, this is not a dense, so hopefully, it’s easy to read, but it’s a complex history and the answers are in the history. But if you want to come up with a very broad rubric as to see who wins and who fails, the people that are most organized before the ruckus erupts are the people that do best and the people that are already working collectively with their fellow human beings are the ones that tend to get the most of what they want out of the unexpected arrival of chaos in the streets.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    So I love that point, and I do want to reaffirm for people listening, Vincent is a great writer, very easy to read even if you are ingesting a shit-ton of information and background. So I guarantee you, guys, that if you’re titillated by this conversation, you will love the book and you should definitely go check it out. And we’ve kind of ended up where I wanted to end up. I know only got you for a few more minutes here, but I want to focus on that, because again, this is a direct point of intersection with the area of labor struggle that we cover on this show every week.

    But I guess before we get there, the one thing I wanted to say is, I suppose the comforting thing, if there can be comfort taken in, again, this very sobering but necessary analysis that you’re laying out, looking beyond just the initial spark of hope and inspiration and energy that you get being there on the ground in the streets, seeing people rise up, even if results of that rising up are kind of diametrically opposed to what people were saying they wanted to have happen, but it’s easy to get kind of sucked in by that moment of energy and you can feel the palpable potential of change when you’re there on the ground in a mass of people. It’s understandable.

    But we, as journalists, we, as organizers, we, as people who want to actually see those changes come about, come to fruition, I think one big takeaway from me from your book was how do we approach that in the work that we do, report on that honestly, accurately, not diminish it, still recognize that there is something powerful in people coming together there. There’s a reason we get inspired by that and assume that it’s going to lead to the kind of change we want to see. It’s not necessarily that that’s a bad thing, but we need to be more critical about the long … Looking at that moment of eruption in the longer historical timeline and we got to follow through and we need a ground game, like you said. We need stronger organization that we are building even in those, and especially in those moments when it feels like nothing’s happening.

    And like I was saying the comforting part about that, because it can feel demoralizing to sort of recognize like, oh, shit, yeah, we’ve been fighting in the streets. We’ve been getting the opposite of what we want, is in a way that in and of itself is not fundamentally a new problem for the left or for working people. In fact, a century ago, the leftists across Western Europe and the Western hemisphere were trying to figure out why can’t we do what the Bolsheviks did because we tried and it hasn’t worked, but it worked in Russia. So then you get Gramsci, you get Luxembourg, you get a whole host of people trying to figure out why the conditions in Western Europe made it less possible to sort of take hold of a centralized point of power like the Bolsheviks were able to do in Russia.

    And so what do we do with that? If we don’t get the revolution that we want, if we tried and failed, so then what do we do? Then the strategic reevaluation begins, and that’s the point that we’re at now, it seems.

    Vincent Bevins:

    And I think you’re right to point out this is not a new phenomenon. I think that my generation, especially in the US, people like me, but this was a generalized tendency in the early 2010s, is that we had forgotten the tried and true, ageless, historical truth that the future lasts a long time. If you want to change the world, you have to get together and really do it. You have to build a new one. And I think that my generation, growing up in the nineties with the so-called end of history, especially if you are like me, like I mentioned at the beginning, too many people like me end up being the foreign correspondents, especially if you’re a middle-class white man in the United States, you can look back upon 250 years of history when everything just got better on its own. And especially with the end of the Cold War and the liberal version of that story that was told to my generation, which turns out to leave out quite a bit, which I discuss in the book, and the creation of the internet.

    My generation started to think they’re like, okay, with one weird trick, you can just create Utopia. If we just do one riot the perfect way, then that’s it. That’s the real end of history, then we’re there. Social media plus energy plus goodwill, literally one mass explosion is just going to solve the problem of that has been stalking mankind since we became mankind, which is how do we live best with one another? I’m not trying to-

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    We’re working on it.

    Vincent Bevins:

    Yeah, It wasn’t bad or insane or evil to be hyper-optimistic in the way that my generation probably was 10, 15 years ago, but it was wrong. It turned out to be not true at all, that the internet delivers liberation. I think that the internet could, the internet in the abstract, but the internet that we actually have, which is dominated by oligarchs, motivated by profit, and funded by advertising revenue and motivated by the need to keep us glued to our screens no matter what that takes, that is a very different internet than the internet that is possible. And I think that that should be something we should commit ourselves to in the longterm, trying to create to win back the internet from elites. But I mean, yeah, so we had to relearn the lesson that everyone has ever learned in human history, which is that it’s quite hard to, history is long and the future is longer, and you have to do it. And that’s fine. It’s fine. Because if you can identify what you have to do, if you can identify that attempt one and attempt two is wrong, but if you can sort of build what attempt three is, I can think of no better way to spend the rest of my life than working hand-in-hand with other people to try to build a better planet. What else are you supposed to do on this Earth?

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    As the great Samuel Beckett, put it, try again, fail again, fail better. And that’s where I wanted to end on because this has been a great conversation, man. I really appreciate you taking this much time to chat with me about it. And again, everyone should go read Vincent’s books, not just this new book If We Burn: The Mass Protest Decade and The Missing Revolution, but his previous book, The Jakarta Method, both essential reads. But I guess just on that final point, when I said that this directly intersects with what we cover here on the show every week, we’re kind of seeing a version of this play right now. For the first time in the United Auto Workers history, the union is striking at all three of the big three automakers.

    Now, the big debate right now, especially among the left and the labor folks is the UAW under new leadership led by reform President Sean Fame is taking a novel approach to the strike called the standup strategy, where instead of calling all 146,000 UAW members working across the Big Three to the picket line at once, they began by calling three plants to start to strike two weeks ago. And then last Friday, they called more locals at two of the Big Three, GM and Stellantis. And so this is a strategy that people are trying to evaluate in real time because a lot of people are like, “Well, why don’t you just hit them where it hurts with everyone all at once?” Kind of operating on that same logic of, if we just get a mass of people out on the streets will win.

    But literally, what I’ve been cautioning people about is, look, I don’t necessarily know if this strategy is going to work, but I know that the strategy of just get everyone out on the picket line at once without coordination, organization and sort of like a shared real, raw sense of what we’re fighting for, that hasn’t worked. That’s what the UAW did when they struck GM in 2019. They called all 40-plus thousand workers out to the picket line and they got fucked, right? And in this case, if they called all their members out to the picket line at once, the company knows how much money is in the UAW Strike Fund. They know how long they have to wait for that fund to run out. So it becomes a war of attrition at that point and you have no further cards to play. But if you do the standup strategy, you give yourself the ability to continually ramp up the pressure on the companies at the bargaining table. So all I’m saying is that at least labor is trying to figure it out and correct for its past missteps.

    And that’s a good thing, and we should be involved in that conversation. If Vince’s book tells us anything, it’s like we shouldn’t just assume that getting as many people out onto the streets is going to lead to the change that we want. We have to actually be sober and critical and strategic about that. Or like when people say, “Oh, is this going to be the one that leads to the general strike?” And I would love to see a general strike. That would be great. It’s not going to happen unless we are organizing our asses off in between strikes every day, building that solidarity, helping folks at the massive amounts of non-Union workshops.

    Only 10% of American workers belong to a union in this country right now. So if we want to build that organizational, institutional structure, if we want to actually have the staying power of a movement that can be strategic, that can maintain energy after the initial explosion of anger arises, then we’ll be that much more ready to capitalize on those moments when they come about. Am I reading that right? Is that kind of one of the big takeaways that we should be leaving people with here?

    Vincent Bevins:

    I can’t speak to what the best strategy is for UAW, but I can definitely say that what arises out of the research for this book is that strategy is the right way forward, to think very carefully about what you can do in the medium and long-term and what the effects of that are going to be. And as you say, the focus on building, the building, if you believe in an organized working class, you have to build up. So you have to get that number from 10 to 15, as high as you can. The more you can build now, the better that is in the long term.

    And perhaps, that’s one way that I can try to bring this back to the initial part of the conversation when we were discussing media, critiquing the problems of journalism as it is. Just as with movements around the world that looked at a particular government that they had that was deeply imperfect. Just like any democracy, just like any representative government, I think that journalism needs to be constantly critiqued in order to function correct, as well as it can. Journalism needs to be relentlessly criticized at all times. But I think that as it implodes, just to simply cheer that implosion and hope that something better is going to come out of the rubble is very dangerous, because what will actually happen is oligarchs will enter that power vacuum.

    So the thing to do, and again, this is not easy, just like it’s not easy to get union membership up in the country above 10%, you have to actually build the ecosystem that you want to see. Cheering as outlets, they may have different politics than you, journalism has always been deeply imperfect in the United States, but simply cheering the implosion of the industry and hoping that magically sort of the world historical spirit, or history with a capital H, is just going to create the democratic media that we deserve, that’s profoundly dangerous, because I think that tech oligarchs will just come in and just seize what is left and use it for their own purposes.

    The lesson is to build. And why that might sound difficult, I think that the uplifting thing about that is that once you know what you need to do, getting together with people and building can be a great way to spend your life.

    Speaker 3:

    (Singing)

    This post was originally published on The Real News Network.

  • Ralph Chaplin – Cartoon published in the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) journal Solidarity on June 30, 1917.

    My unlucky countrymen have always had a taste for justice, a taste as inconvenient to them, situated as they always have been, as a fancy for horse-racing would be to a Venetian.
    — Thomas Moore (1779–1852), Memoirs of Captain Rock: The Celebrated Irish Chieftain, with Some Account of His Ancestors (1824)

    The raised or clenched fist is a symbol of unity and solidarity that became associated with trade unionism and the labour movement going back to the 1910s in Europe and the USA. Soon after, it was taken up as a symbol of political unity by socialist, communist and various other revolutionary social movements. The clenched fist is ever more powerful than the individual fingers and in art it has been used as a metaphor for strength in unity of the peoples’ movements.

    The painting, Le Soulèvement (The Uprising) by Honoré Daumier (1808–1879) of the French Revolution of 1848 includes a possible early example of a “political clenched fist,” according to curator Francesca Seravalle. She writes: “A raised fist appeared for the first time as a political sign in a painting in 1848 by Daumier representing a woman during the Third French Revolution, until that time fists were just expressions of human nature.”

    Le Soulèvement (The Uprising) by Honoré Daumier

    However, another painting, The Installation of Captain Rock (1834), by the Irish artist Daniel Maclise (1806–1870) in the National Gallery of Ireland, depicts the protagonist with a raised, clenched fist as a political sign fourteen years earlier than Daumier’s revolutionary painting, surely demonstrating that the depth of oppression of colonialism in Ireland had already produced self-conscious radical political groups.

    Captain Rock was a fictitious figure that was associated with the militant agrarian organisations in Ireland known as “the ‘Whiteboys’, the ‘Ribbonmen’, and the followers of ‘Captain Steel’ or ‘Captain Right’”.

    The Installation of Captain Rock (1834) by Daniel Maclise (1806–1870)

    These agrarian groups “issued warnings of violent reprisals against landlords and their agents who tried to arbitrarily put up rents, collectors of tithes for the Anglican Church of Ireland, government magistrates who tried to evict tenants, and informers who fingered out Rockites to the authorities,”  and involved many incidents of murder, arson, beatings and mutilation of cattle.The source of the unrest was the hunger and death suffered by Irish families while their landlords shipped harvests and cattle to the English markets. Peter Berresford Ellis writes:

    This was the cause of the agrarian unrest among the rural population. Indeed, in 1822 a major artificial famine was about to occur. We have William Cobbett’s horrendous picture of people starving in the midst of plenty in that year. In June, 1822, in Cork alone, 122,000 were on the verge of starvation and existing on charity. How many people died is hard to say. A minimum figure of 100,000 has been proposed. Most likely around 250,000. At the same time, landowners were able to ship 7 million pounds (weight) of grain and countless herds of cattle, sheep and swine to the markets in England.

    Captain Rock’s Banditti – Swearing in a new member.

    Insurrections occurred in 1822 that involved many thousands of ‘Rockites’ that had armed themselves with pikes and confronted British garrisons. According to Berresford Ellis:

    Colonel James Barry, commanding the garrison at Millstreet, reported that upwards of 5,000 ‘rebels’ had surrounded the town and many houses of loyalists between Inchigeelagh and Macroom were destroyed. The local Millstreet magistrate, E McCarty, added: ‘The people are all risen with what arms they possess and crown all the heights close to the town …’ Cork City and Tralee were cut off for two days before troops fought their way through.

    ‘Captain Rock’ had already made it into Irish literary history in the fictitious book, Memoirs of Captain Rock: The Celebrated Irish Chieftain, with Some Account of His Ancestors (1824) written by the Irish writer, poet, and lyricist Thomas Moore (1779–1852). In these ‘memoirs’ Captain Rock is depicted in a folkloric way, a character who brushes off lightly the dangers of his profession, as he states:

    Discord is, indeed, our natural element ; like that storm-loving animal, the seal, we are comfortable only in a tempest; and the object of the following historical and biographical sketch is to show how kindly the English government has at all times consulted our taste in this particular ministering to our love of riot through every successive reign, from the invasion of Henry II. down to the present day, so as to leave scarcely an interval during the whole six hundred years in which the Captain Rock for the time might not exclaim
    ‘Quae regio in terris nostri non plena laboris?’
    or, as it has been translated by one of my family : —
    Through Leinster, Ulster, Connaught, Munster, Rock ‘s the boy to make the fun stir!

    Similar comparisons can be made with the contemporary Kenyan author, Ngũgĩ wa Thiong’o, who combines social realism of contemporary society with mythical elements as a way of illustrating his radical themes, for example in Devil on the Cross (1980), Jacinta Wariinga, is invited to a Devil’s Feast by a mysterious  figure called Munti that turns out to be a business meeting for the Organization for Modern Theft and Robbery.

    Devil on the Cross (1980) by Ngũgĩ wa Thiong’o

    The high educational level of ‘Captain Rock’ is attributed to his associations with the teachers of the Irish ‘hedge schools’, which were small informal secret and illegal schools set up in the eighteenth and nineteenth century to provide primary education to children of ‘non-conforming’ Catholic and Presbyterian faiths.

    According to Maeve Casserly, “the hedge schoolmaster played a pivotal role, as both an educator and prominent member in agrarian society, in encouraging the militant political and social sentiments” and that “in an age which promoted the utilitarian philosophy of Jeremy Bentham and emphasised ‘useful learning’ that subjects like Greek, Latin and Hebrew, which formed an intrinsic part of the hedge school curriculum, were wastefully taught instead of necessary vocation skills.” To direct attention away from their militant leadership roles, the hedge schoolmasters used poor grammar and mis-spelled words. She notes that “William Carleton was of a similar opinion that many of the letters, oaths and catechisms of the Rockite insurrectionists, were the work of village schoolmasters.”

    A depiction of a 19th century hedge school.

    Thus, the very public ‘Installation of Captain Rock’ in Maclise’s painting points to the symbolism of the patriotic movement rather than its reality. The clenched fist represents not only the unity of the gathered crowd but also the passing of responsibility for radical social and political change from the deceased elder leader to the vigorous, radical youth. In the painting Maclise depicts the scene as a joyous occasion within a hall where many groups of ordinary people are busy getting on with life, yet plotting revolution. To the left a group is making a pact signified by their collective hand grasp, while behind them in a dark alcove appears to be a hedge school master surrounded by listeners and readers. To the right of the hall there is much merriment as a man and a woman dance wildly. Our eyes are drawn around a distracting group of young lovers as we suddenly realise that a gun is being pointed right at us by a young man in front who is just about to shoot (signified by a girl putting her hands to her ears), demonstrating that youthful ‘fun’ should never be underestimated and can suddenly turn deadly serious.

    The background to Maclise’s painting looks more like a group of people digging their way down to the hall where the secret ceremony is taking place. This signifies the working class aspect of the dangers of mining work (often carried out by children in the nineteenth century), as well as the necessity for literal and metaphorical underground bunkers to hide from the often overwhelming force of the oppressor.

    Overall, the people in the painting are portrayed as active, animated, excited, and fearless.

    1857 lithograph of Daniel Maclise by Charles Baugniet

    Maclise excelled in paintings of large groups of people engaged in various activities grouped around a theme. Maclise had an ongoing interest in the ideology, history, and traditions of ordinary people as can be seen in the subject matter of some of his paintings, for example, Snap-Apple Night (1833) [Hallowe’en traditions], Merry Christmas in the Baron’s Hall (1838) [containing many figures of various ranks and degrees and depicts aspects of the declining traditional Christmas festivities of his time, see my article A Poem for Christmas: Christmas Revels (1838)], The Marriage of Strongbow and Aoife (1854) [depiction of the Norman conquest of Ireland and the death of Gaelic Ireland].

    Maclise’s positive portrayal of people is in contrast with the often melancholy depictions of oppressed people around the world, an unfortunate side effect of Social Realism which tried to show the treatment of the poor in all its brutality. However, depictions of the moment of uprising also sows the seeds of hope for a better future, while at the same time providing a fair warning to all elites to beware of the retaliation of a community which has nothing left to lose.

    This post was originally published on Dissident Voice.

  • The year 2023 saw the hottest Summer on record in the northern hemisphere while those in the southern hemisphere felt the hottest winter on record. It was followed by a Fall with terrifying storms and floods across the globe. The number of people attributing climate catastrophe to economic growth is mounting.

    Not all agree that growth is the problem. Some respond that growth is here to stay and that the concept of “degrowth” is idealistic nonsense.

    Many of the accusations against degrowth have been answered. Jason Hickel’s book Less Is More: How Degrowth Will Save the World (2020) is perhaps the best known and most readable. An excellent collection of articles (Planned Degrowth and Sustainable Human Development) is available in the July/August 2023 edition of Monthly Review.

    Is “Degrowth” Anti-Worker?

    One accusation still seems to lack an adequate response: Is the US working class inherently anti-degrowth because it would mean a massive loss of jobs? This makes it appear that pro-growthers have never heard of a shorter work week. It would be the first consequence of degrowth. For many US workers, actually having a 40 hour work week would be welcome relief.

    So, are workers inherently against degrowth? My family, friends and neighbors generally work for a living and not a single person has ever told me, “I would hate a shorter work week.”

    One of the greatest problems for US workers is absence of health care as a human right. Despite the rantings of insurance company apologists, Medicare-for-All would cost much less. It is another way that degrowth would play out. In my book on Cuban Medical Care, The Ongoing Revolution, I document that Cubans have a longer life expectancy than do those in the US, while costs in Cuba are less than 10% per person per year of US costs.

    Since the book was published, research has shown that Covid reduced life expectancy by almost three years in the US while it actually went slightly up in Cuba. A health system which focuses on preventive care, maternal care and child care saves more lives and is vastly less expensive than one that focuses on insurance, providing too little care for those who need it most, giving too much treatment to some, over-medicating millions, and offering luxury hospital rooms.

    No working person has ever said to me that “I want my elderly relatives to choose between treatment and food and I want super-expensive care that is less effective because that is what helps the economy grow.” With genuine degrowth, the cost for health care might not be just “less,” but could be much, much less and would result in longer lives.

    There are several other things that I have never heard from working people…

    I have never heard a truck driver say, “I want to buy things that fall apart quickly so I have to go out and buy another one that won’t work, go out of style or become obsolete. If products were built so that people could repair them themselves and would last a long time, that would mean fewer jobs; so, businesses should manufacture as much junk as possible.”

    No secretary has told me, “I love food that travels for 2000+ miles before getting to me, has lost most of its nutritional value, and can contaminate everyone who eats it due to its chemical content. Having good food grown locally would mean fewer jobs.”

    No grocery store checker has ever told me that he really wants packaging that costs almost as much as the product, banking with ever-increasing fees, insurance that does not pay when he needs it, and incessant advertising on TV, radio and billboards. These are just some of the ways that capitalism creates useless jobs which do not improve people’s lives and whose reduction or abolition would contribute to a shorter work week.

    The other day an image of Dracula gazed at me as the phlebotomist put a rubber cord around my arm and I waited to hear if she would say, “I would hate having a smaller economy because that would mean that fewer people would get cancer from radiation and toxic chemicals. There would be fewer jobs from producing poisons and fewer jobs for every type of health care worker. I would be happy to increase cancer risks for myself, my family and my neighbors if that means more jobs.” For some reason, those words were never spoken.

    Who Dislikes Degrowth?

    So where are all these working people who passionately hate degrowth? They must be hiding behind a tree or underneath a bed because I have never run into them.

    Maybe there is a place they could be where I never looked – they could be in the offices of union bureaucrats writing articles about how labor supports the corporate ideology of growth.

    Actually, the claim that “working people are against degrowth” may well ring a bell for many. Those who work in armaments production as well as veterans and others who simply accept militaristic propaganda may be against degrowth because there is no way to degrow without massively shrinking the US military.

    Degrowth means shifting resources to colonized peoples both inside the US and globally. The essence of degrowth is (a) decreasing useless and harmful production in rich countries, (b) increasing the production of necessities in poor countries, (c) while making sure that (a) is greater than (b). Growth does not and never has meant improving the quality of lives in the poor world. In contrast, reparations are essential for degrowth.

    Saying that degrowth would never happen because working people would be against it is not only wrong – it is grossly immoral.

    Abortion rights provide an illustration why. A majority of working people currently support women’s right to have an abortion. The reason to support abortion rights is not because most of labor is in agreement – the reason is that protecting women’s lives is the right thing to do (regardless of whether or not it is popular).

    What does one do when confronting an opinion that does not jive with the mood-of-the-day? The movie Matewan portrayed a union organizer constantly struggling to overcome prejudices. He did not ignore them or cowtow to them.

    Today, most progressives would agree that, when faced with those who hate Blacks or sympathize with efforts to eliminate Jews or Palestinians, it is necessary to confront them.

    If it is good to challenge those who attack one group of humanity, then why would it be bad to challenge the destruction of all of humanity, as the ideology of infinite growth would set the stage for? Growth means expansion of fossil fuels, increased electronic colonialism (i.e. “alternative” energy), and extermination of Life on land, in the air and within the oceans.

    Who Represents Workers?

    Two common mistakes about American workers are that they all think the same and that thinking is represented by union leaders.

    Anti-degrowthers often give the impression that they confuse the word “workers” with “unions.” At last count, only about 6% of US private sector workers are in unions and union bureaucrats often do a terrible job of representing them. Certainly the masses of union members did not ask or consent to their “leaders” conspiring with bosses to build “Free Labor Development” that would crush militant democratic unions internationally as Kim Scipes so carefully documents.

    A core aspect of today’s union leadership is its intimate ties to the Democratic Party, one of the two giant corporate parties in the US. If union big shots oppose degrowth, that hardly condemns the idea as being opposed by all workers.

    The portrayal of labor as a uniform blob who all think the same (“growth = good; degrowth = bad) is more than a little bit condescending and insulting to those of us who sell our labor power for survival. In addition to Democratic Party loyalists, “working people” includes millions who switch from one party to another, those who do not identify with any party, right-wing Trumpsters, and, yes, moderate and revolutionary socialists and anarchists. Union history is a mixed bag of the most magnificent heroes to the most vile traitors to inter-ethnic and international labor solidarity.

    The UAW strike that began in September 2023 manifested a union waking out of its nearly century old Rip Van Winkle state to rediscover the demand for a 32 hour work week. Let us hope that this foreshadows a reawakening that spreads throughout labor, unorganized as well as organized.

    Capitalism without Exploitation?

    “Bread and butter” unionism is dedicated to preserving capitalism while getting a bigger and greasier pork chop before those in other countries do. “Social unionism” challenges capitalism’s assumption of that some should be vastly richer and more powerful than others.

    Degrowth will require redefining every aspect of the economy, beginning with the length of the work week and extending to what is produced and relationships between those involved in production. Unionism that accepts capitalism as eternal would be poorly suited to such a task. Unionism that proudly announces its goal to be building a new world from the ashes of the old would be the cat’s meow.

    You may have heard of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW). Ever since 1905 it has consistently sought to unify all working people, not just in the US, but across the globe. Perhaps it is time for existing unions to either emulate the IWW or be replaced by it or other solidarity unions that will seek to liberate humanity from the chains of corporate growth, whether they reside in the imperialist homeland or the colonized world.

    Proposing growth without racist colonialism makes as little sense as advocating capitalism without exploitation. Colonialism was the method by which corporations amassed the “primitive accumulation of capital” which Marx wrote about.

    Belief that the economy must grow assumes the eternal existence of capitalism. Genuine degrowth means reorganizing society so that destructive and useless production is brought to an end while protecting the well-being of all involved in affected industries. A total redesign of society could begin with a shorter work week and then expand to establishing new relationships, whether in an office or at a health facility or a factory. For the working class to take control of the economy and metamorphose it will be degrowth realized.

    Is it time to ask if the concept of growth is what is inherently anti-worker? A shorter work week is the rock on which degrowth stands. If not that rock, it is the name of the rock that David put into his sling and hurled into the head of the corporate system called “Goliath.”

    This post was originally published on Dissident Voice.

  • Nearly 4,000 United Auto Workers members walked out of Mack Trucks facilities in three states on Monday after voting down a five-year contract with the Volvo Group subsidiary amid a weekslong UAW strike at “Big Three” automakers and other labor actions. “I’m inspired to see UAW members at Mack Trucks holding out for a better deal, and ready to stand up and walk off the job to win it…

    Source

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  • There ought to be nine nurses on the day shift at 9 Tower, a trauma surgery unit inside the Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital in New Brunswick, New Jersey. Instead, some days there are just three. “Sometimes I’d look at a patient’s face and know that I won’t be able to maybe help feed them when they need to be fed,” said nurse Sophia Moccio, “or clean them when they need to be cleaned.

    Source

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  • Our five hundredth episode features long time labor organizer, Chris Townsend, who talks to Ralph about labor law reform, the Biden administration’s attitude toward the labor movement, the UAW strike, the threat of automation, and much more. Plus, Ralph clarifies his position re the Washington Post article where he said he preferred “autocracy over fascism,” and we briefly discuss the chaos in the Republican caucus.

    Chris Townsend is a 44-year trade union worker and organizer. He is the retired Political Action Director for the United Electrical Workers Union and was the International Union organizing and field director for the Amalgamated Transit Union.

    The workplace in the United States is a dictatorship. And if you’re willing to challenge that dictatorship— create a rebellion against it—you might be able to build a union. If you look at the statistics, the number of elections— the number of those campaigns that actually get that far, which is only a small number, most of them are incinerated, liquidated, poison gassed, fired, terminated out of existence before you ever get that election— but if you get that election, the labor movement is winning.

    Chris Townsend

    When you have a labor leadership that is lazy, unimaginative, unimaginative, rarely challenged, has a very timid view, a very limited worldview, and they see their role more as administrator as opposed to leaders— this is the modern situation that we face. We don’t have much of a leadership, sadly. We have an administrator group, and they have administered the decline.

    Chris Townsend

    Let’s be very, very realistic here. I don’t think there can be a labor union movement in the United States under present federal laws. There are just too many hurdles, too many delays, too many licenses for these corporations to bust up the situation… And I’m amazed that you can listen to what the AFL puts out, what labor union leaders put out—they almost never mention card checks, they never mention repealing Taft -Hartley. They don’t force the Democrats— who get elected in no small part because of union support— to put these labor law reforms in place.

    Ralph Nader

    In Case You Haven’t Heard with Francesco DeSantis1. October 1st marked the first day of Fiscal Year 2024 in Washington DC, and with it, DC’s Cashless Ban finally goes into effect, per Axios. Now, district residents will be able to report businesses that do not accept cash and/or those who post signage saying they will not accept cash. If any listeners out there are based in Washington and wish to report any such businesses, feel free to submit them to me at francesco.desantis@csrl.org. And remember, if you see something, say something.

    2. Democracy Now! reports that Federal Communications Commission Chair Jessica Rosenworcel has gone on record saying she plans to restore Net Neutrality rules – which would “bar internet providers from blocking access or throttling customers’ connections based on how much they pay or which websites they visit” – which were repealed under the Trump administration. This follows Democrats finally taking majority control of the commission. Common Cause remarked, “To allow a handful of monopoly-aspiring gate-keepers to control access to the internet is a direct threat to our democracy.”

    3. Brazilian President Lula has issued a statement in support of the United Auto Workers strike. Lula, who himself worked as a union organizer at the Brazilian automobile manufacturing facilities of auto giants like Ford, Volkwagon, and Toyota, made this statement after meeting with President Biden and seeing him take to the picketline in support of the striking workers. Lula added “It is crucial that presidents all around the world show concern for labor.” More about Lula’s history with automobile labor unions is available at the Multinational Monitor.

    4. Despite concerns raised by high-ranking Democrats in Congress, the Biden administration has approved Israel’s entry into the visa waiver program, meaning Israelis can now visit the US for up to 90 days without a visa, and Americans can do the same. However, the Middle East Eye reports that Arab-American Nondiscrimination Committee plans to challenge this decision in court, as Israel may not meet the legal criteria for the program due to their discrimination against Palestinian Americans. Huwaida Arraf, a lawyer representing the ADC, added “This is all so unnecessary, all the US government had to do was maintain the standard it has with every other country in the Visa Waiver Programme. This lawsuit could have been avoided, but the Department of Homeland Security and the State Department resurrected the debunked notion that separate is somehow equal. As these plaintiffs show, that notion is a farce.”

    5. The Sacramento Bee reports California Governor Gavin Newsom has vetoed two major pro-labor bills that emerged late in this session of the state legislature. One would have granted unemployment insurance to striking workers, a push which emerged in the face of the extended entertainment industry strikes. The other would have brought domestic workers under “the umbrella of OSHA protections.” These vetoes were handed down along with Newsom’s decision to appoint LaPhonza Butler, head of EMILY’s List and a Maryland resident, to fill the Senate seat left vacant by Dianne Feinstein’s passing.

    6. On October 1st, The State Department issued a statement decrying “Anti-Democratic Actions in Guatemala,” directed at President-elect Bernardo Arevalo and his Semilla Party. The statement expresses that “The United States is gravely concerned with continued efforts to undermine Guatemala’s peaceful transition of power…Most recently, the Guatemalan Public Ministry seiz[ing] electoral materials under the custody of the Supreme Electoral Tribunal,” and goes on to add that “The United States…[is] actively taking steps to impose visa restrictions on individuals who continue to undermine Guatemala’s democracy, including current and former members of Congress, judicial actors, and any others engaging in such behavior…The Guatemalan people have spoken. Their voice must be respected.”

    7. PBS reports that during a recent meeting between American officials and Mexican President AMLO, the latter levied scathing criticisms of US foreign policy, including the mammoth aid packages for Ukraine and economic sanctions on Cuba, Venezuela, and other Latin American nations. President López Obrador said the United States “should spend some of the money sent to Ukraine on economic development in Latin America…[and]…called for a U.S. program “to remove blockades and stop harassing independent and free countries, an integrated plan for cooperation so the Venezuelans, Cubans, Nicaraguans and Ecuadorans, Guatemalans and Hondurans wouldn’t be forced to emigrate.”

    8. The Japan Times reports that “The Japanese government plans to seek a court order to disband the Unification Church…after a monthslong probe into the religious group over allegations of soliciting financially ruinous donations from members and other questionable practices.” The report goes on to say “Scrutiny of the group intensified after former Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was fatally shot during an election campaign speech last year over his perceived links to the entity, an incident which also brought to light its connections with many ruling Liberal Democratic Party lawmakers.”

    9. Finally, Disney World is being hit with a substantial tort lawsuit. A woman visiting the park for her 30th birthday suffered “serious ‘gynecologic injuries’” while on the “Humunga Kowabunga” ride. I will spare listeners the grisly details, but suffice it to say she experienced “severe and permanent bodily injury,” which required surgery, per Law & Crime. Yet, in typical fashion of corporate media reportage on tortious injury, this story is being presented primarily as nothing more than a “wedgie,” just as the McDonald’s lawsuit was reported as merely being about hot coffee. A deep dive into that case is available at the Tort Museum website. 



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  • Faced with a labor market rife with adversity, a circle of nannies in New York City have done something extraordinary, overturning economists’ assumptions about “self-interested” markets. Operating in the shadows, these workers have created microeconomies of their own, where they are able to share resources, and protect their jobs and pay. Transcending basic notions of mutual aid…

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    This week on CounterSpin: The LA Times’ Michael Hiltzik is one of vanishingly few national reporters to suggest that if media care about crime, if they care about people having things stolen from them—maybe they could care less about toasters and more about lives? As in, the billions of dollars that are snatched from working people’s pockets every payday by companies, in the form of wage theft—paying less than legal wages, not paying for overtime, stealing tips, denying breaks, demanding people work off the clock before and after shifts, and defining workers as “independent contractors” to deny them benefits. Home Depot just settled a class action lawsuit for $72.5 million, while their CEO went on Fox Business to talk about how shoplifting means we’re becoming a “lawless society.”

    There is legislative pushback; New York Gov. Kathy Hochul has added wage theft to the legal definition of larceny, allowing for stronger prosecutions. But such efforts face headwind from corporate media telling us to be mad about the rando taking toilet paper from the Walgreens, but not the executive who’s skimming your paycheck every two weeks. Not to be too poetic, but corporate thieves don’t need masks as long as corporate media provide them.

    We talk about wage theft with Rodrigo Camarena. He’s the director of the immigrant justice group Justicia Lab, and co-author, with Cristobal Gutierrez of Make the Road New York, of the article “How to End Wage Theft—and Advance Immigrant Justice” that appeared earlier this month on NonProfitQuarterly.org. He is co-creator of Reclamo!, a tech-enabled initiative to combat wage theft.

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    Plus Janine Jackson takes a quick look back at recent press coverage of climate protests.

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  • Shawnika Howell has been a nurse for 13 years, primarily in long-term care, but around the time of the winter 2021 COVID-19 surge, she decided to find some extra work through something new: an app called Clipboard. The app lets nurses and nurse aides book individual shifts for a set number of hours with health care facilities, get paid, and move on to the next gig. Essentially, it’s Uber for…

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  • At midnight on Sept. 14, the United Auto Workers’ contract with the Big Three automakers—Stellantis, Ford, and General Motors—expired. As promised by UAW President Shawn Fain, stand-up strikes began promptly at midnight. The first three plants called to strike were the General Motors Assembly Center in Wentzville, Missouri, the Stellantis Assembly Complex in Toledo, Ohio, and the final assembly and paint departments at the Ford Michigan Assembly Plant in Wayne, Michigan. Videos and photos of autoworkers pouring out of the plants and joining their union siblings on the picket line hit social media like labor’s version of the Super Bowl. On Sept. 22, stand-up strikes expanded to an additional 38 GM and Stellantis assembly plants across 20 states.

    Throughout the highly publicized contract negotiations between UAW’s 146,000 autoworker members and their employers at the Big Three automakers, newly elected Fain has been calling for a 32-hour work week—a goal stated by UAW as far back as the 1930s. 

    “Right now, Stellantis has put its plants on critical status, forcing our members to work seven days a week, 12 hours a day in many cases, week after week, for 90 straight days. That’s not a life,” Fain said on a livestream on Aug. 25. “Critical status, it’s named right because working that much can put anyone in critical condition. It’s terrible for our bodies, it’s terrible for our mental health, and it’s terrible for our family life.” 

    Ultimately, a longer work week puts unsustainable stress on the planet as well as our bodies.

    But it’s not just workers’ personal lives that are impacted by long hours on the job—it’s bad for the planet, too. An often-cited 2012 analysis from UMass Amherst, “Reducing Growth to Achieve Environmental Sustainability: The Role of Work Hours,” authored by Kyle Knight, Eugene A. Rosa, and Juliet B. Schor, concluded that longer working hours lead to increased carbon emissions. A longer work week means we tend to drive more (transportation is responsible for over a quarter of global carbon emissions), consume more resource-intensive products (things like fast food and other necessities of convenience that keep our busy schedules rolling), and burn through more fossil fuel energy like gas and oil. Ultimately, a longer work week puts unsustainable stress on the planet as well as our bodies.

    UAW workers know this is true from their own experience. “32 hours, man, I would love that. For the planet, a major thing would be less commuting to work,” says Marcelina Pedraza, a UAW member at the Ford Chicago Assembly Plant, where she works as an electrician and preventive maintenance planner. “I’m a one parent household… one income household, and so I wear many hats, right? I go to work. I work in the home. I work in my union. I work in my community. And I’m exhausted. If I have an extra day off, I would cook more, so I would be making less waste.” 

    And the research supports Pedraza’s observations. This same 2012 analysis found that a global 10% reduction in working hours could reduce our carbon footprint by 14.6%, our ecological footprint (which measures environmental pressure caused by consumption related to food, housing, transportation, consumer goods, and services) by 12.1%, and CO2 emissions by 4.2%. So cutting the work week by just four hours would result in cuts in CO2 emissions roughly equivalent to the 2021 CO2 emissions of the whole of Pakistan, or about 222,600,000 metric tons.

    On our current trajectory, we would need to cut carbon emissions roughly in half from 2019 levels by 2030 (over the course of the next seven years) to keep us below 1.5 degrees Celsius of warming—the largely agreed upon safe upper limit of planetary warming for humanity. (And it becomes harder to argue for 1.5 degrees Celsius of warming representing a safe threshold for life on this planet when taking stock of the catastrophic weather events now in regular rotation at 1.2 degrees Celsius of warming.) 

    In October 2022, the United Nations environment agency declared that barring a “rapid transformation of societies” remaining under 1.5 degrees Celsius no longer achievable. And many scientists no longer view as feasible in anything other than technical posturing. While staying below 1.5 degrees Celsius may no longer represent a realistic target, making 32 hours the new 40 hours is a crucial part of that “rapid transformation” needed to—at minimum—limit warming as much as possible. 

    Shifting to a shortened work week could help safeguard against the potential reduction in workforce the EV transition could bring. And it could simultaneously speed up this transition.

    Relative ease of implementation also makes the 32-hour work week unique amongst other features of degrowth-aligned programs, or a planned contraction of economies and reduction in resource consumption designed to bring us within the concrete limitations of the planet. With nothing to build out or tear down in a material sense, we could reduce working hours tomorrow and get ourselves all the closer to making those necessary reductions. And unlike other measures for limiting CO2 emissions—like eating less meat and dairy (and, perhaps, bananas)—which set restrictions, the 32-hour work week is not easily framed as another freedom or convenience wrested away from working people. Instead, we get to spend more time with our loved ones, more time doing what we like, and more time enjoying the society we all play a role in creating.

    Another key contract demand also intimately linked to movements for environmental justice is setting terms for a just transition as we ramp up the manufacture of electric vehicles and phase down production of internal combustion engines. Compared to the standard gas-guzzler, which requires 6.2 hours of labor to build out, a fully electric vehicle needs only 3.7 hours. Shifting to a shortened work week could help safeguard against the potential reduction in workforce the EV transition could bring. And it could simultaneously speed up this transition, says Christopher Viola, a UAW member at the GM Factory Zero in Detroit, where he works as an electrical problem solver. 

    “What if instead of getting rid of 20% of workers, we kept the workforce the same and the companies produce 25% more vehicles than they normally would to make this EV transition happen that much faster? Mathematically, it would work,” says Viola. And the faster more EVs are produced, the sooner we can eliminate emissions, at least insofar as EVs contribute towards that, he adds. 

    This job-sharing model has been used by GM Europe’s (now part of Stellantis) assembly plants before, says Arthur Wheaton, director of Labor Studies at Cornell’s School of Industrial and Labor Relations. Rather than reducing their respective workforces, adopting a similar model in US plants could allow the Big Three to retain current employees. “It is certainly worth exploring as the transition to electric vehicles reduces demand for engine and transmission plants,” he says. “If they make different parts in the same plant it can keep good jobs here in the USA.”

    The only real losers here are the capitalist class. When working people are provided with an undeniable example of what can be gained from working to save the planet it will be difficult to keep that momentum from swelling to include other environmental measures similarly damaging to capitalists’ interests. And they know it.

    While the Teamsters did not end up striking earlier this summer, it is clear that the fire they brought to the labor movement—and their own gains for both labor and climate made by winning installation of air conditioning, fans, and heat shields across UPS’ fleet of vehicles—helped prime public sentiment for UAW’s strike against the Big Three.

    Recent Gallup polling showed public support for autoworkers, just prior to the strike on the Big Three, at 75%. A poll from Morning Consult shows support for a 32-hour work week—the most divisive of the union’s demands, per the polling—with 46% of the public in favor and 35% in opposition. Growing public support for the strike perfectly positions UAW to shift the idea of a shortened work week out into the realm of a real and achievable goal for workers. 

    UAW’s 146,000 autoworker members, led by reform leader and charmingly scripture-citing Fain, hold unique leverage in addressing the most pressing needs of a 21st century world suffering from the scourge that is the billionaire class. The climate collapse and the myriad struggles of beaten down working people across the globe are born of this same effect. Whether a 32-hour work week will be won through UAW’s escalating stand up strikes against the Big Three remains to be seen—but sooner or later, the work week will have to shrink if we’re serious about saving the planet we all live, and work, on.

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    We all know how bad the housing crisis is. Rising rents, rampant speculation, and skyrocketing eviction and homelessness rates paint a grim picture. Beneath the surface is a more malignant driver of this crisis: the speculative private market, which has concentrated its grip over real estate to such an extent that virtually every American lives in a company town now.

    As educators, we have witnessed this housing crisis not only be a source of stress and instability for ourselves and our coworkers, but also uproot our students from schools — away from their friends, teachers, counselors, and neighborhood communities. The root of this injustice is the private market’s monopoly on housing construction and ownership. Unions from all sectors — education, service, manufacturing, and especially the building trades — need to unite and campaign for housing policies that break the monopoly of the private market.

    Modern company towns

    In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, company towns were areas where workers from one or a handful of companies lived in housing owned and operated by those companies. The result was that companies wielded exorbitant power over their workers, as they controlled not only their wages but their homes.

    Today, the power of the real-estate industry has grown so vast that most Americans have extremely little control over their housing. As Fran Quigley points out, “Institutional owners — corporations or limited liability companies — now own the majority of all US rental units and over 80 percent of the properties with twenty-five or more units.” Since 2009, Wall Street firms have converted hundreds of thousands of homes into rentals, increasing rental and home-buying prices. This extreme concentration of property in the hands of a few real-estate tycoons compounds with the national housing shortage. The effect is striking: the majority of Americans, even those lucky enough to own homes, face a housing market rife with speculation and concentration that produces a feedback loop of ever-increasing costs.

    Meanwhile the National Multifamily Housing Council — supported by the likes of billionaire real-estate investor Harlan Crow, whose father was America’s biggest landlord and who carries on the tradition — ruthlessly interferes with even modest efforts to curb the market’s power, such as rent control and stronger eviction protections. By using housing as a speculative investment, the private market has created an entrenched system that enriches the few while creating precarity for the many.

    To ensure their members have roofs over their heads, and to build long-term political power, unions must join the fight to solve the housing crisis.

    Many of those who experience precarity are union members, including hotel staff, construction workers, paraprofessionals, and teachers. To ensure their members have roofs over their heads, and to build long-term political power, unions must join the fight to solve the housing crisis.

    There is power in a union

    Unions can stand together against the crisis created by the private market — and in the past, they have. In the early twentieth century, the labor movement and the New Deal coalition set a precedent for unions leading fights for housing justice. In New York City, members of International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 3 and the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America raised money from union members, community allies, and even union-owned banks to finance and maintain limited-profit housing cooperatives. From 1926 to 1974, roughly 40,000 affordable units of housing were produced thanks to this effort.

    During the New Deal, leaders like Catherine Baeur brought together the American Federation of Hosier Workers, Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America, and other unions to form the Labor Housing Conference. This alliance advocated for New Deal funding to create mixed-income, perpetually affordable public housing modeled after Vienna’s social housing. Ultimately, these efforts were never embraced by a majority of the labor movement, and their effects were limited. Still, this past provides a template that can inspire the present.

    Today, some unions are rising up to tackle the housing crisis through bargaining contracts, supporting legislation and ballot initiatives, and going on strike. The Seattle Teachers Union recently backed a ballot initiative to create a city-owned social housing developer that will construct permanently affordable, environmentally sustainable, union-built, and tenant-governed mixed-income social housing. A broad coalition of unions supported the initiative, and it passed overwhelmingly.

    Oakland teachers went on strike in April, and ultimately won an agreement for the school district to use vacant land to construct affordable housing for students, families, and staff. Striking UNITE HERE Local 11 hotel workers in Los Angeles are demanding hotels publicly support a ballot measure on affordable housing — and implement a surcharge on hotel meals to create revenue to fund affordable housing construction for union members. Meanwhile, the Boston Teachers Union and Chicago Teachers Union have established housing justice committees that partner with community organizations and fight for rent control and social housing.

    Unions of all kinds — from education to service work to building trades — should bargain, strike over, and importantly create cross-union efforts for housing justice. They can begin by uniting over ballot questions and legislative campaigns for housing cooperatives and social housing.

    Other policies, like affordable housing and rent control, are also worth fighting for. But social housing is open to much larger parts of the population than traditional affordable housing, and rent control is illegal in many states. There are generally no laws prohibiting states and cities from building social housing. Social housing creates an entrenched constituency by serving both the lower and middle classes. And, in removing swathes of land from the private market, social housing challenges the monopoly of the market.

    By bargaining, organizing, and even striking for tenant-governed, mixed-income, perpetually affordable social housing, unions can be leaders in breaking the company town model and ensuring that ordinary people govern both their workplaces and their homes.

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  • For a state whose politicians often obsess over being on the leading edge of progressive issues, California’s approach to paid sick leave has put it surprisingly behind the curve. The current law — a minimum of three days or 24 hours per year for workers — only looks good in comparison with the majority of states that don’t mandate any paid leave at all. Among the 15 states (and the District of…

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  • In the midst of so much bad news in the media, it is always good to be alert to rays of sunlight that civic action can build upon.

    First, let’s start with the sun, which is receiving increased respect these days by Earthlings. Various forms of solar energy – thermal, photovoltaic, wind, and passive (architecture) are winning the price competition against new fossil and nuclear fuels by large and growing margins around the world. The oil, gas, coal and nuclear lobbies, unable to compete on economics, resort to government subsidies, bailouts, tax breaks and propaganda to entrench themselves and their omnicidal products. People, however, including Texans, are warming to solar, and its decentralized, local nature and the need to invest in expanding, facilitative grid systems. Large majorities in opinion polls now want a solarized country.

    Second, smart, focused labor strikes are underway with polls showing majorities in our country supporting labor unions. Between seventy and eighty percent of non-unionized workers want to join one.

    The Writers Guild of America strike has been settled in the entertainment business to the approval of most of the rank and file. The massively overpaid CEOs in this industry were forced to pay attention to labor negotiators’ priorities, including some protections from the use of robots (AI), adequate staffing, and better pay and working conditions. Now it’s the turn of the much more numerous striking actors to make sure their long-overdue grievances are addressed by the opposing CEOs.

    Under Shawn Fain, the United Automobile Workers Union has commenced selective strikes against the major unionized auto companies. Fain is framing very well the class exploitation issues and the necessity to end the concessions imposed on the workers both before and after the huge $30-plus billion-dollar federal bailout, under President Barack Obama, of the grossly mismanaged General Motors in 2009.

    Fain points to the huge, unprecedented gap between the over $14,000 an hour in pay that GM CEO Mary Barra receives, plus benefits and perks, and that $18 to $22 per hour paid to the lower-tier UAW members – a discriminatory system against young workers, dividing them from the older auto workers (making about $33 per hour) that Fain wants to eliminate.  Equal pay for equal work on the factory floor. The revived union is also driving a fairer policy to head off an AI displacement threat which could disempower workers by requiring them to train the robots that will take their jobs.

    Third, retiring Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Mark A. Milley told an audience in New York that Russia and Ukraine must realize that victory may not be “achievable through military means,” drawing a comparison with World War I that dragged on and set the stage for World War II. Milley, a Princeton graduate with advanced degrees in international and military history studies, advised: “Things can get worse, so when there’s an opportunity to negotiate when peace can be achieved, seize it … Seize the moment!”

    Those who are waging peace to overcome this and other armed conflicts hope that retired General Milley will speak out vigorously, with other retired high-ranking officers, about the need for peace negotiations and immediate unconditional ceasefires. They have credibility when they advocate for peace.

    It may surprise many people that the civilians in the Pentagon and in Congress have been far more belligerent than the “military” regarding wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and elsewhere. They have to answer the question: “What’s our plan right after we invade and occupy?” Their civilian counterparts, with no military experience, have no such perceived responsibilities. We hope Mark Milley does not get enveloped in a lucrative consulting or executive position in one of the giant manufacturers of weapons of mass destruction. Extra discretionary income is trivial compared to being a strong public voice for peace and avoiding escalating wars.

    Fourth. The tagline of the many full-page Bank of America ads that have been running in the Washington Post presents an opportunity to awaken bank customers. The Bank tantalizingly asks potential customers: “What Would You Like the Power to Do?”

    Well, for starters, bank employees could simply return telephone calls from depositors and borrowers and not make customers call again and again their bank branch, where the only option is to leave voicemail messages that go unanswered for days or weeks at a time. Also, how about customers wanting the power to stop the Bank of America from cheating or faking accounts? A few weeks ago, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) and Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) fined the Bank of America $250 million charging that the bank “systematically double-charged customers fees, withheld promised credit card perks, and opened accounts without customer authorization.”

    Or how about giving your bank company savers the highest current interest rate for their kind of account? Many people, including the elderly, unknowingly have their savings stuck in savings accounts with a fraction of 1 percent interest, despite the Federal Reserve raising rates to the 5 percent range.  Don’t banks have fiduciary relationships with their clients? There are tens of billions of dollars at stake in these “dormant” savings accounts (not CDs) in financial institutions throughout the U.S.

    One harbors hope that Consumer Reports and the Consumer Federation of America will move to alert millions of Americans to ask for their bank’s highest available interest rates on their savings.

    Finally, at long last, the Federal Trade Commission and seventeen states filed a comprehensive antitrust suit against giant Amazon, charging unlawful, anti-competitive practices against the online merchant. Big stakes here for consumers, as well.

    Make your voices heard on these and other important matters.

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  • Seven thousand Auto Workers at two more assembly plants walked off the job on Friday, UAW President Shawn Fain announced in a Facebook Live appearance this morning. Joining the strike are Ford’s Chicago Assembly Plant and General Motors’ Lansing Delta Township Assembly in Michigan. Fain announced that Stellantis would be spared this time. The union had been expected to expand the strike today at…

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    Janine Jackson interviewed Labor Notes‘ Lisa Xu about the auto workers’ strike for the September 22, 2023, episode of CounterSpin. This is a lightly edited transcript.

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    Janine Jackson: Listeners will know that members of United Auto Workers are on strike against the Big 3 automakers: General Motors, Ford and Stellantis (formerly Chrysler). Some elite media seemed to be doing their darnedest to fit this unprecedented action into old terms.

    ABC: The UAW strike is growing, again. What to know as 7,000 more auto workers join the union’s walkouts

    ABC (9/22/23)

    ABC nightly news delivered a textbook segment on the UAW “threatening” to expand its walkout, the things they’re “demanding,” how the strike is already “disrupting” operations and “idling” workers, and closing on the note that economists are already looking for potential impacts on consumers, and if the action goes on, “ar prices will rise.”

    It’s a stuffy script, and it’s not really working. Many people, inside and outside of organized labor, feel something different in the air. More and more question the cartoonish gap between everyday people working hard but still struggling to survive, and company owners asserting that profit rates prove they’ve earned their annual millions and the yachts that come with them.

    So all eyes are on the auto workers strike for many reasons. All the more reason to think critically about the way the news media report it to us.

    Lisa Xu is an organizer with Labor Notes. She joins us now by phone from Detroit. Welcome to CounterSpin, Lisa Xu.

    Lisa Xu: Hi. Thank you for having me.

    JJ: I want to talk about the feelings and energy and the people in this story, because it’s so crucial. But let’s start, though, with some backdrop for the strike.

    It’s not the whole UAW out at this point; it’s a smaller group of workers in a few places. What, in general terms, or specific terms, is the UAW calling for? And, I mean, the whole union isn’t out, but they’re all ready to go, right? What’s going on here?

    Flint sit-down strike of 1937.

    Sit-down strikers, Flint, Michigan, 1937. (photo: Sheldon Dick/Wikimedia)

    LX: Yeah, no, thank you for that question. The UAW is calling this a “stand-up strike,” in reference to the 1936–1937 Flint sit-down strikes, which really led to a massive expansion of the UAW over the next decade.

    And the strategy is, as you described, currently about 13,000 members across three plants—one each at Ford, Stellantis and GM—are out. The stand-up strike strategy is going to consist of escalation from there on out.

    UAW President Shawn Fain, I think, has said this will just be dependent on what happens at the bargaining table. And they’ve announced that tomorrow is another deadline, and they’re going to assess how well bargaining is going. If it’s not going well, they’re going to call out more workers. That deadline is noon tomorrow.

    In terms of what workers are asking for, this is really about clawing back concessions going back decades, and reversing a major decline in the standard of living for auto workers, a decline that many American workers have seen.

    You’ve probably heard about the demand for big wage increases, same as the wage increases the CEOs have given themselves, an end to wage and benefit tiers, and the restoration of pensions and retiree healthcare to those hired after 2007. (That’s a major inequality existing within the UAW.) End to the long-term abuse of temps, a shorter work week, 40 hours of pay for 32 hours of work, and job security and protections against plant closure. And there’s more, too, on the table, but that’s some of the bigger ones.

    JJ: A number of those things are absolutely resonant, I’m sure, for people in any industry. The idea of a shorter work week, the idea of getting back concessions—things that workers gave up because they were told that companies were suffering, and now that companies are not suffering, somehow it’s not time to give them back. I think a lot of those things have meaning outside of the auto industry.

    But I wanted to just lift up one thing, which is, the UAW is really resisting the idea of tiered workers, the idea that there are temporary workers who were just on a lower tier, where they’re never going to get pensions or benefits. And I point to that, just because it seems so refreshing to see a union actively trying to get all workers to identify together. That seems to me like a great thing for building worker solidarity.

    LX: Absolutely. And that’s why workers across the Big 3, whether they’re the so-called legacy workers, the first-tier workers, or they’re second-tier, they all recognize how much damage this has done to solidarity within the union. So there is a push across all these tiers to end tiers.

    And like you said, tiers are an issue affecting many other workplaces in the US. We saw the Teamsters end a particularly pernicious form of tiers among UPS drivers, earlier this summer. And, yeah, it is really a big deal for exactly what you said, the strength of the union.

    JJ: Another element, and this could be a whole show, but let’s just touch on it: I know that another piece of what the union is saying is, yes, they recognize there’s a transition to electric vehicles. They want that transition not to come at the cost of good jobs. And labor vs. the environment is such a perennial for news media. I wonder if you could just speak briefly to the idea that union auto workers are afraid of the future, somehow, or that they’re somehow opposed to adjustments to climate disruption.

    LX: To get into the media critique portion of it, that’s kind of a tired narrative, too. I think a lot of UAW auto workers recognize, the writing is on the wall when it comes to the EV transition, and now it’s time for everyone pushing the transition to a clean energy economy to live up to everything they’ve been saying about good-paying union jobs. That part of it, they seem to have forgotten about.

    I think it’s really as simple as that. It’s just calling out that hypocrisy. You said these would be good jobs, so where’s the action now, right?

    JJ: Right. Well, I’m going to bring you back to media in just a second, but I did want to say that you dug into a particular aspect of this in your work that can be kind of invisible, or a little under the radar, which is the fact that the Big 3 also operate—it’s not just manufacturing plants—these after-sales parts distribution centers. And those places, the companies were kind of setting them up for a strike, and you dug into that. What did you learn about these parts distribution centers and their role, and what’s interesting about that?

    LX: Yeah, they don’t get talked about very much. It was actually kind of hard to dig up information.

    So they’re called “parts distribution facilities,” and that makes you think, oh, they supply parts for assembly plants. But no, it’s actually spare parts for when you need a new door when you get into a car accident, or you just need some kind of accessory.

    When the Big 3 is selling them directly to dealerships, before the dealership applies any markups, the Big 3 is actually applying a huge markup. I think this is another site of consumer price-gouging for them. They’ve racked up these massive profits just operating these warehouses, and we think of them as making cars, not turning a profit on selling spare parts. It turns out it’s actually a significant money-maker for them.

    An article I wrote, I dug up some statements that a former CEO of GM made about just how high these profit margins are, and how it generates billions of dollars of revenue for GM. And I think it’s the same for the other companies, too.

    Map of Big 3 Worksites -- striking and non striking.

    Labor Notesmap of Big 3 worksites.

    JJ: Just a sort of tentacle that you only find when you report on it. You highlight the fact that unlike big plants, these distribution centers are often smack in the middle of an urban area. So if they were to go on strike, it would look different. It would be an opportunity for the community to have it really up close and personal that these workers were on strike. I thought that was interesting.

    LX: Yeah, so there was a map we published along with this article. I wouldn’t say they’re downtown, but they’re within travel distance from coastal cities that might not think of themselves as being near a Big 3 facility. So, yeah, it’s a way for communities outside of the Midwest to support workers, should they walk out of these facilities.

    JJ: Community support, of course, can be key. And here, the media play a role that determines how the story is presented to people who are outside of the industry, maybe people who’ve never been in a union or have personal knowledge of unions, and who might be late to work one day because of a picket line.

    So media play a big role in explaining the validity, the importance, the issues at play here. You are also a reporter. What have you made of media coverage of this action? What would you like to see more of, or less of?

    Lisa Xu of Labor Notes

    Lisa Xu: “The whole thing is designed to make you think anytime workers take action, they’re the ones at fault. They’re the ones causing trouble.” (image: Labor Notes)

    LX: Yeah. Well, I’m a new reporter, to be fair. I was an organizer for five years. I’m new to reporting, but I’m bringing that same anger from organizing to some of the media coverage we’re seeing.

    Honestly, it’s a little infuriating. I’m sure you’re familiar with that. And you mentioned some of the ways in which, through the rhetoric and the emphasis, the media are implying this is a really bad thing for you, the reader, the listener. But once you dig into that a little bit more, you’re like, wait, who is it actually bad for, right? I’ve been trying to tally up all the bosses’ talking points that journalists and editors have decided to just run with very uncritically, whether they know it or not.

    So actually, prior to becoming an organizer, I was an economist. So I come out of this world of analysis that really has a pro-corporate slant, and a lot of people don’t realize that it doesn’t actually all add up; it’s just what they’re taught. And obviously the whole thing is designed to make you think anytime workers take action, they’re the ones at fault. They’re the ones causing trouble.

    JJ: I don’t know that it’s a lack of general economic understanding. It does seem to be just the way media slant things, when corporate leaders are able to just say, as in this case, oh, we couldn’t possibly afford to give workers what they’re asking for here. I think one of them said, I forget which one, “That would put us out of business.”

    As a reporter, you just type that up and put it out to the world? When we know that, I think it’s $21 billion of profits in the first six months of this year from the Big 3. That just doesn’t add up.

    LX: One great thing that’s happening in the media, that I’m sure you probably talked about before, it’s just the wave of unionization among media workers and journalists. So I think there is now more critical thinking out there.

    But there are a bunch of business reporters reporting on this too. I mean, come on, just look at the numbers. Do they really think this is true?

    And the UAW has been doing a great job of comparing numbers. I actually, before this interview, dug up a chart that Shawn Fain presented on one of his last Facebook Lives, comparing the increase in the Big 3’s North American profits, which went up 65%, this is over the last four years; CEO pay, which went up 40%; stock buybacks, which went up 1,500%. And then you get down to UAW top wage rates—so not even the wage rates for second-tier workers or temps, just the top wage rate—that went up 6%. Labor costs are only 4 to 5% per vehicle, and vehicle prices went up 34%.

    There’s a lot of numbers that just go to show you they’re making choices. All corporations are making choices. And then collectively, as a society, we’re making choices about how much, basically, labor’s share of income is supposed to be. And apparently it’s supposed to be very, very low.

    JJ: Right. Well, it’s obvious that union activity is up, and we’ve seen reporting on that, but labor energy is also up. And it’s not, I don’t think, just because people are frustrated or frightened, though certainly many of us are, but unions seem to be different now. They’re doing different things. They’re engaging workers in ways that are new. And I think folks are recognizing that. Am I misreading that? It seems to me that something new is happening.

    LX: I think if you’re on the ground and you’re talking to workers, especially in these unions that are undergoing this revitalization, I think it’s definitely real. And I mean, you see it in new organizing too, right, with new unions that are being formed. It’s real.

    And I think the really exciting thing about the Big 3 strike is among union leadership, the new reform leadership, and the rank and file, I think there’s a feeling that they’re making history, not just within the context of the UAW, which would already be enormous, but labor history. I don’t think that’s an overstatement. I think people really feel like there’s something in the air, and especially with the ambition of demands that are being raised, these are demands for the whole working class.

    Everyone knows it was unions that won the eight-hour workday. Now it’s going to be up to unions to bring that back, because people don’t have eight-hour workdays anymore.

    So I think it’s absolutely real. And sometimes that’s hard to capture in the numbers. Sometimes it’s clearest if you’re on the shop floor, or you’re an organizer talking to a lot of workers every day,

    Jacobin: UAW President Shawn Fain: “It Is Long Past Time to Stand Up for the Working Class”

    Jacobin (9/16/23)

    JJ: A writer for Labor Notes, Luis Feliz Leon, I heard say some time ago, “Solidarity needs to be experienced to be believed.” I thought that was a really compelling comment.

    LX: No, I think that’s a great comment. I went through that myself, being in the union, that converted me. And yeah, I do think it’s hard for people who’ve never had that experience of workplace organizing to have faith in how transformative that can be, right?

    So Shawn Fain, for people who haven’t heard it yet, gave this amazing speech on Facebook LiveJacobin did a transcript of it; this was last Wednesday on the eve of the strike—just talking about the role of faith, asking union members to take that leap of faith and stand up in this historic moment. And it was just a very moving speech.

    He’s Christian, and he cited scripture from the Bible, and I’m not, but it was just very, very moving. And I think it is about, I think once you’ve had that transformative experience, you understand what workers can accomplish when they’re organized.

    JJ: We’ve been speaking with Lisa Xu, organizer and reporter with Labor Notes. They’re online at LaborNotes.org. Lisa Xu, thank you so much for joining us this week on CounterSpin.

    LX: Yeah, thank you for having me. Thank you.

     

     

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  • The UAW’s Stand Up Strike is alive and growing. More than 18,000 auto workers across the Big Three – Ford, GM, and Stellantis – are on strike across twenty states, and just a few hours after this episode posts, thousands more will likely join them. The Fiery Labor Fall is here.

    In this episode, we bring you on the ground of UAW picket lines and rallies across three states – Michigan, Ohio, and New York. You’ll hear the perspectives and stories of over a dozen rank-and-file auto workers, as well as direct interviews with UAW president Shawn Fain and other union leaders. 

    Follow Teddy as he zig-zags across states to ask the workers themselves what they think about the strike. UAW auto workers explain the stakes and key demands of their fight, how it’s gotten to this point, and what the renewed militancy of their union means to them. 

    Additional links/info

    Hosted by Teddy Ostrow
    Edited by Teddy Ostrow and Ruby Walsh
    Produced by NYGP & Ruby Walsh, in partnership with In These Times & The Real News
    Music by Casey Gallagher
    Cover art by Devlin Claro Resetar


    Transcript

    The following is a rushed transcript and may contain errors. A proofread version will be made available as soon as possible.

    Walter Robinson Jr: You shouldn’t have to struggle when you work for one of the big three.

    Walter Robinson Jr: Because $16. 67. That’s not a livable wage anywhere in the United States. 

    Perry Wilks Jr: Medical costs is up, outrageous food costs, housing, rent 

    Valelynn Marshall:  We’ve been losing every contract. We always got pushed back to give to the next man.

    Valelynn Marshall: Like this is history to me. It’s been long overdue. I’m confident that we will come out better this time around. 

    Valelynn Marshall: Because we showing them that we mean it.

    Teddy Ostrow: Hello my name is Teddy Ostrow. Welcome to the Upsurge, a podcast about the future of the American labor movement.

    Teddy Ostrow: This podcast covers the renewed militancy of the United Auto Workers, the legendary union that right now, for the first time in its history, is striking each of the Big Three automakers at once. That’s Ford, General Motors, and Stellantis, the owner of [00:01:00] Chrysler, Jeep and other brands. 

    Teddy Ostrow: The Upsurge is produced in partnership with In These Times and The Real News Network. Both are nonprofit media organizations that cover the labor movement closely. Check them out at inthesetimes.com and therealnews.com where you can also find an archive of all our past episodes.

    Teddy Ostrow: And a quick reminder: This is a listener-supported podcast. So please, if you want it to keep going, head on over to patreon.com/upsurgepod and become a monthly contributor today. You can find a link in the description.

    Teddy Ostrow: And as an extra incentive, the next 18 people who sign up for our Patreon will receive a free one-year subscription to In These Times magazine, one of the best outlets covering the labor movement and progressive politics today.

    Teddy Ostrow: On to the show.

    Teddy Ostrow: In this episode, we’re bringing you on the ground of the UAW Stand Up pickets lines, where, as of this [00:02:00] recording, over 18,000 Big Three auto workers across twenty states are out on strike. By the time this episode posts, however, there may thousands more on the line. Maybe even all 146,000 auto workers across the three companies.

    Teddy Ostrow: But we’re gonna begin this story on the night of September 14, when the strike clock was still ticking.

    Teddy Ostrow: I’m at UAW Local 900, uh, which is the local of the Ford Michigan Assembly Plant here in Wayne, Michigan. And we are about an hour away from the strike deadline

    Teddy Ostrow: That’s me, talking to myself in the corner of a relatively quiet UAW union hall. 

    Teddy Ostrow: ,uh, Sean Fain just went on Facebook Live and announced that, uh, Michigan Assembly Plant was one of the three locations, uh, that will be struck if the companies and The UAW don’t come to a deal. 

    Teddy Ostrow: I watched as UAW members [00:03:00] emptied snacks and drinks onto tables, and stacked picket signs near the entrance of the hall. 

    Teddy Ostrow: In an hour’s time, the room would be abuzz with workers who had laid down their tools at the auto plant across the street. Thousands of others would do the same at assembly plants in Ohio and Missouri. And in a week’s time, 5,000 more workers in parts deports across the country would walk out, too. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Here in Michigan, they would soon line up in the union hall to receive their picketing assignements, and then join the crowd that had already started assembling outside the plant’s main gate.

     (Chants/audio)   

    Teddy Ostrow: After midnight, the picket lines were up. 

    Brandi White: We ain’t playing no games. I am happy. Okay, it’s my first strike, and like, as long as I’ve been here, and I’m out here.

    Robert Harrison: I’m, you know, fighting for my union. I think this is a perfect opportunity.

    Robert Harrison: It just feel good to see everybody outside to come together. You know, we [00:04:00] come as a unit.

    Darnell Foreman: We just, we just got off. So we’re here supporting all our union brothers and sisters, you know, supporting everyone.

    Teddy : It boisterous first night in Wayne Michigan, but when I drove fifty miles south to the Jeep assembly plant in Toledo, Ohio, the next day, I got to hear about what it was like for the Stellantis workers who also walked off the job. Here’s Melanie Smith on the picket line:

    Melanie Smith: My mom, uh, works second shift in body shop, and I was at home when the strike happened, but she was at work on the phone, and they were going wild.

    Melanie Smith: So excited to finally strike for our rights.

    Teddy Ostrow: Melanie could hear the jubilant scene behind her mother’s voice.

    Melanie Smith: When it got announced on Facebook, everybody just starts screaming like we’re about to go home early, you know? It’s hype.

    Teddy Ostrow: On that first night, it was official. 13,000 UAW members had walked off the job. And it is the first time in the union’s history, that they are striking each [00:05:00] of the Big Three simultaneously. Normally the union had picked one company as a target. Once they negotiated a contract with them, it would set the pattern for the rest. Not this time.

    Teddy Ostrow: Over the course of the first week, I asked workers across picket lines why they were striking. 

    Shaun Gaddis: We’re out here to fight for our wages. We’re out here to fight for our pensions, and we’re out here to end tears.

    Anita Hill: I’m out here for everything. Equal pay, no tiers.

    Brandi White: I want to see COLA because every year it’s going up and we’re not going nowhere. I want health care when I retire.

    Teddy Ostrow: Other demands by the union include a 32-hour work week, the right to strike over plant closures, which are a dark cloud over auto workers’ job security, and the end to the companies’ abuse of temporary workers. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Ultimately, what it comes down to is that auto workers are fed up [00:06:00] with decades of backsliding, concessionary contracts. 

    Samantha parker: we’re out here because we want a fair contract and to get stuff back that we gave up when we helped bail out the automotive industry. 

    Teddy Ostrow: You see, they don’t want to give anymore, like they did during the Great Recession to save Chrysler and GM as they went bankrupt. No, they work for companies now that made a combined 21 billion dollars in profits in just the first six months of this year. A quarter-trillion across North America in the past decade. Meanwhile, the average hourly wages of assembly line autoworkers have declined by 30% since 2003. UAW members are saying enough is enough. We’re not gonna give anymore. We’re going to take.

    Shaun Gaddis: The CEOs they got 46 percent pay raises. The shareholders got 150. Percent pay raise but the workers get nothing and we’re the backbone of the company. We didn’t know our plant was [00:07:00] going to strike, but… We’re here for the fight. And we’re going to stand in solidarity to get what we deserve. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Now, WHO the union is striking is not the only historic element of this fight, but also HOW they’re striking. Given the union’s bargaining failures of years past, the UAW has scrapped its old playbook and developed a new strategy, called the “Stand Up” strike. That’s a call-back of sorts to the Flint sit-downs at of 1936-37 that helped build the union.

    Teddy Ostrow: Rather than striking all company facilities at once, they are targeting specific plants at each of the Big Three, asking them to stand up and join the picket line in waves. It gives the UAW the leverage of potentially calling out more facilites should the companies not play ball. If the Big Three stonewall the union, the strike will grow over time.

    Teddy Ostrow: The purpose is to keep the companies guessing; [00:08:00] to play the Big Three off one another in negotiations, rewarding the corporations that make concessions, while inflicting more financial pain on those that remain stubborn. Some have compared it to a game of chess.

    Teddy Ostrow: While some workers I spoke were anxious to just join the strike already, most UAW members told me they were on board with the strategy. Here’s Sean Crawford, a GM worker at the Warren Tech Center with UAW Local 160.

    Sean Crawford: I think it’s a, a new, exciting and creative strategy, and I want to see it work. I think it’s… More likely to work because we’re going to be able to stretch out the strike and defense fund.

    Teddy Ostrow: That’s another advantage. The union’s $825 million dollar strike fund is no small sum, but with the stand up strategy, the union won’t risk blowing through it. Most workers can stay on the job, and if they’re laid off by the company, some will be able to draw from unemployment insurance. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Over [00:09:00] the week I spent in Metro Detroit, I zig-zagged across Michigian and Ohio, attending picket lines, rallies, and other actions. You can hear the honks of solidarity by passersby that were a near constant backdrop to my conversations.

    Teddy Ostrow: On that first night in Wayne, Michigan I met Walter Robinson Jr, a UAW quality rep at the Ford plant. With over three decades on the job, Walter explained that he actually wasn’t on the line for workers like himself. Rather, he was standing in solidarity for future generations.

    Teddy Ostrow: So, what are we doing out here? What are you doing and how are you

    Teddy Ostrow: feeling? 

    Walter Robinson Jr: Well, we’re out here. We’re feeling good. The thing is that we’re here to make sure that The future people that get hired in. I’ve got 34 years. It’s people out here that’s struggling, that work in this plan every day and they shouldn’t have to. You shouldn’t have to struggle when you work for one of the big three.

    Teddy Ostrow: You see, [00:10:00] Walter makes top rate at around $32 per hour. But because of concessions in previous contracts, many workers hired after him may start at under half of his wages. Sometimes under $16 per hour. And it can take them eight years to catch up.

    Walter Robinson Jr: We need to make sure that we get more pay for our entry level people because 16. 67. That’s not a livable wage anywhere in the United States. States. So, uh, these, these people that come in here and work every day can’t even buy the product that we build in the trucks that we’re building cost between 60 and 90, 000. 

    Teddy Ostrow: I heard this a lot. That workers can’t afford to buy the cars they themselves are building. But pay is not the only thing that separates Walter from many of his coworkers.

    Teddy Ostrow: Walter also has a pension, and he has good retiree medical benefits funded by the employer. Despite doing the [00:11:00] same work as Walter, most of his coworkers do not have such privileges.

    Teddy Ostrow: We’re talking about something we’ve covered on The Upsurge before. A cancer for unions. We’re talking about tiers. GM, Ford, and Stellantis – they’re riddled with the things. And the UAW wants to end them once and for all.

    Tiffany Shipp: It’s electricity in the air!

    Tiffany Shipp: Alright, well, we  

    Teddy Ostrow: That is Tiffiny Shipp, a Ford worker. With the energy she brings, you may be surpised to hear that she is not actually on strike. Not yet at least. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Tiffiny works in the body shop of the Ford Dearborn Truck Plant. She’s been there for ten years, which means she was hired after 2007. And that means that she’s a tier two worker.

    Teddy Ostrow: Tell me about the tiers. What do you think about it? What needs to be done? 

    Tiffiny Shipp: They need to end them. I remember starting, and I’ll never forget my first day. This girl told me, you know what, I wouldn’t [00:12:00] be here for half pay. I said, what do you mean? I didn’t even know how much the pay was here. I thought I was getting paid what everybody else was. And she’s like, no, I get paid 30 an hour. I’m like, what?

    Tiffiny Shipp: I’m like, I almost choked. She’s like, yeah, you only get $15.66. And just the fact that someone can stand next to you and brag about their house or their car, and you’re struggling!

    Tiffiny Shipp: That’s a, that’s a shame. That’s not right.

    Tiffiny Shipp: Tiffiny explained that the problem is not just lower starting pay, or the retirement benefits tier two workers don’t get. It’s also what tiers do to worker solidarity.

    Tiffiny Shipp: And the point is, it separates, divides. It adds animosity. You know, it just does. It creates really a hostile work environment. 

    Tiffiny Shipp: Thankfully, that animosity didn’t seem to break to bonds of solidarity on the picket lines.

    Tiffiny Shipp: Now, the thing about tiers at the Big Three is there’s a lot [00:13:00] of them, and beginning with the 2007 contract, it was just tier, after tier, after tier. 

    Tiffiny Shipp: In Toledo, I met a number of workers who are even further down the totem pole than Tifinny is.

    Devin Dominique: Devin Dominique, I am a production line operator, I’ve been a SC, which is a supplemental employee since 2018, 

    Teddy Ostrow: Devin is actually the first person I spoke to on the picket line at the Toledo Jeep plant. He’s a supplemental employee, which is just another title for part-time temporary worker, or “temp” for short. 

    Teddy Ostrow: He does regular assembly line work, but with even lower pay than tier two workers, and much worse health care benefits. This is why temps are often referred to by UAW members as tier three workers. 

    Teddy Ostrow: But the biggest problem for temps, especially at Stellantis, is they’re not all that temporary.

    Devin Dominique: so I believe that’s a little bit of some BS.

    Devin Dominique: [00:14:00] Out here being part time, not by choice, for five to six years. 

    Teddy Ostrow: You heard that right. Devin’s been a temp for nearly six years. This is personal for him. His grandparents worked and retired at the same Jeep plant. He wants the same thing. He wants to be made permanent. But there really isn’t a clear pathway in the contract for that to happen.

    Devin Dominique: I believe that every SE feels the same way as me. I think they all want to be hired in. Um, I think that it’s a reasonable thing. I don’t think it’s too much to ask. Uh, I don’t think too many people want to be part time for five, six years, you know, and then with no opportunity or no, uh, No assurance that we’ll even get hired in, so I don’t think this strikes, uh, for nothing.

    Devin Dominique: Do you work part time hours? Like, do you No, I work 60 60 hours a week.

    Devin Dominique: You know, some weeks they might call a day off or something like that, but I work 6 days a week, if I can.

    Devin Dominique: The union is calling for the Big Three to hire [00:15:00] temps after 90-days of work. Temps like Devin are among the most precarious workers in the Big Three workforce. Which means striking can be especially difficult as they subsist on just $500 weekly strike pay. So I asked Devin

    Devin Dominique: How did you feel when you heard, uh, you guys were going on strike? Uh, my. My girlfriend actually started crying because she’s worried about our bills being paid. But I told her that this is actually the first kind of sign of relief that I’ve had in this company in a long time.

    Devin Dominique: Because I know that this is actually one of the only ways that we’ll probably get somewhat of what we want or need.

    Devin Dominique: Devin’s point really stuck with me. And he wasn’t the only one to make it. The truth is, striking isn’t easy. It can be tough financially, emotionally draining. But every single worker I spoke to said that they believe this is the only way they’ll get what they deserve. That by standing in solidarity with their coworkers, [00:16:00] they can endure, and they can win. 

    Devin Dominique: Tiers are central to this year’s contract fight, but also workers across the board were talking about issues that cut across classifications. Here’s Perry Wilks Jr. from the Ford Dearborn Truck Plant.

    Perry Wilks Jr: , Everything is skyrocketing and we need wages that’s going to benefit our lifestyle, our lives, spirit.

    Perry Wilks Jr: Medical costs is up, outrageous food costs, housing, rent.

    Perry Wilks Jr: One of the solutions, according to Perry and others I spoke to across Michigan and Ohio, is COLA, or cost-of-living adjustments. Those were the inflation-tacked raises that auto workers have recieved since the Treaty of Detroit in 1950. During the bailouts, the union gave them up to help save GM and Chrysler. Now, the workers want them back.

    Perry Wilks Jr: But there was another thing workers talked about on the picket line, that was a little more… visible.

    Teddy Ostrow: I can’t help but notice You have [00:17:00] two risk guards.

    Teddy Ostrow: Is that from 

    Perry Wilks Jr: working? Yes, it is. Some of these jobs are overloaded, they do not want to listen to the workers when they’re actually out here doing the physical work. They are creating issues, medical issues, uh, like myself, which I have two, uh, carpal tunnel issues now that just happened this week in this plan on a job that’s overloaded. 

    Perry Wilks Jr: By overloaded, Perry means that it’s basically impossible to perform the tasks that are asked of him in the time alloted. Without hurting yourself at least. Auto workers are notoriously expected to perform fast, reptitive motions on the assembly line. Think of Charlie Chaplin in “Modern Times” – management speeds up the line so fast Chaplin has to hoist himself onto the belts just to keep up.

    Perry Wilks Jr: Here’s Melanie Smith and Johnny Reese at Jeep.

    Melanie: We just, yeah. Over 200 cars per shift. That’s just us. And then you think about next door, they’re building what, like 500? [00:18:00] Yeah. Next door, building like 500 cars a day, 10 hour days. Have you gotten injured? Have you like suffered from anything? I mean, back problems. Yeah. And like your hands will be stiff and things.

    Melanie: Body hurt. You work in 10 days on Sunday. All you want to do is relax. Your body beat up. 

    Teddy Ostrow: For some workers, like Samantha Parker, who has worked ten years on the assembly line at Stellantis, it’s a bit worse than just back problems or stiffness.

    Samantha parker: I have bilateral carpal tunnel. I just had a surgery on one hand and I have to have surgery on my other hand. It hurts to hold my child, my two year old. Like it shouldn’t hurt my body to hold my two year old because I’m sacrificing so much of my body and my life for this place 

    Samantha parker: And you don’t get a pension, right? Nope. Retiree medical benefits? Nope, nothing like that. I mean, how does it feel to like, basically do a really tough job, you get, you have to have surgery for it, and then, when you, you know, when you retire, you don’t get these things. It’s petrifying, because if my body’s already wearing down now, what’s it gonna be [00:19:00] like when, after I’ve been here for 20, 30 years, and I don’t have anything to help.

    Samantha parker: Keep my body going so I can hold my grandkids and then my great grandkids, God willing.

    Teddy Ostrow: This is why one of the union’s demands is a 32 hour work week. More time off means workers can rest their bodies, and also, spend more time with their families. UAW members want to work to live, not live to work.

    Teddy Ostrow: On top of all of this, these auto jobs that the UAW is fighting so hard to improve, are more and more feeling like a gamble. Just a few feet from Samantha in Toledo, I spoke with Krystal Maggio.

    Krystal maggio: Yeah, I’ve been pushed around from plant closures. I’m originally from Belvedere local 1268, and I came to Toledo Jeep a year and a half ago. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Belivedere, as in Belivedere, Illinois. You may have heard that name before. And that’s because it [00:20:00] is one of the 65 communities decimated by a Big Three plant closure over the past 20 years. Last year, Stellantis decided to shutter the Jeep plant in Belivdere where Krystal worked, laying off 1,300 workers. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Krystal was actually a part of an earlier round of layoffs there, but in order to keep her job, her wages, her benefits, she was forced to transfer to Toledo — 300 miles from her entire family. 

    Krystal maggio: . I don’t want to have to transfer again, but they say they wanted to close 18 more plans. That’s kind of scary. Are you afraid it’s going to happen again? I mean, yeah, you never really know what could happen. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Over the years, thousands of auto workers like Krystal have had to part with their communities or risk financial ruin, as the economy surrounding the plants dries up. Some workers have had to move 5, 6, 7 times. As Krystal noted, in negotiations [00:21:00] with the UAW Stellantis is threatening to close 18 more plants around the country.

    Teddy Ostrow: The union wants the right to strike the company over such plant closures, and for the Big Three to set up programs to support workers left behind in the communities where they close up shop.

    Teddy Ostrow: Now, it’s important to understand that there’s an international angle to this. Stellantis moved Belvidere’s production to Mexico, where they can pay workers as low $2.50 per hour. This is a decades-long trend: Automakers moving production to places where they can exploit workers more, and fatten their profits. That also includes moving production to US states in the south, where union density is lower and the laws are more hostile to workers. 

    Teddy Ostrow: That brings us to one of the most important aspects of the auto workers’ fight.

    Shawn Fain: what are the stakes of this fight for the auto industry, the EV transition, and the broader working class?

    Shawn Fain: Well, [00:22:00] the shameful part of the EV transition is our tax dollars are financing it, and the companies are taking all the money like always, and not even taking labor in the equation. Like always, corporations and billionaires get all the money, and working class people are left behind. It’s gotta stop.

    Teddy Ostrow: That was Shawn Fain, the UAW president, on the the first night of the strike at the Michigan Assembly. 

    Teddy Ostrow: What he’s explaining to me is that the emergent electric vehicle and battery industries, despite receiving hundreds of billions of dollars in federal loans, grants, and tax incentives, are trying to move full-steam ahead without union labor.

    Teddy Ostrow: Indeed, most of the current or proposed EV plants in the United States are in the south, and will be run without UAW representation. So, part of why the right to strike over plant closures is so important, is because it it’s [00:23:00] one lever for union to prevent the Big Three from moving their plants to where the EV transition would erode union standards.

    Teddy Ostrow: And more broadly, if the UAW wins a good contract out of this strike, it will position them to actually unionize this emergent, mostly non-union industry.

    Teddy Ostrow: This willingness to take on corporate power… it’s something we haven’t seen from the UAW in a long time. I asked workers what they thought of this marked shift in their union.

    Perry Wilks Jr: it’s been a long overdue. I take my hat off to, uh, new president Shawn Fain.

    David Carey Mack: I love the way the direction the, uh, unions going in. That’s my guy. I love Sean Fane. Everything that I want. Seeing him wrapped up in a box.

    Valeynn Marshall: we needed a voice. The other ones was no good for us. that’s why we’re here right now. He really did it. He made it happen. And I’m happy about it. 

    Valelynn Marshall: Like this is history to me

    Teddy Ostrow: Since the 1980s the UAW approach to unionism was one of so-called labor-management [00:24:00] partnership. The union and employers working together to flourish in a competitive market. 

    Teddy Ostrow: But the reality of what that’s looked like for workers is concession after concession after concession. And eventually outright corruption.

    Teddy Ostrow: But the new union leadership, led by Shawn Fain, an electrician at Chrysler from Kokomo, Indiana, is flipping the script.

    Shawn Fain: You guys are ready to rumble now, aren’t you? We’re in it, baby. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Fain doesn’t shy away from confrontation. And he always keeps his eyes and words on what’s important for the workers.

    Reporter: You’ve got competitors for these big three automakers, uh, paying a lot less in some cases for labor than these companies. How can you expect… to actually get everything you’re asking. 

    Shawn Fain: Shame on those competitors. Number one. All this is the companies are trying to drive a race to the bottom, and we’re better than that.

    Shawn Fain: America’s better than that. 

    Teddy Ostrow: And if you haven’t noticed, Fain speaking in terms we mostly don’t hear from modern labor leaders. He’s talking about a [00:25:00] class struggle.

    Shawn Fain: You know, we’ve been accused of causing a class war. Class war has been going on for 40 years in this country. The billionaire class has been taking everything, and the working class has been left scraping, paycheck to paycheck, just trying to survive. It’s time to put an end to that class war.

    Shawn Fain: And it’s time to pick a side. Either you’re with the billionaire class, or you’re with the working class.

    Teddy Ostrow: Now, while the mainstream media have focused mostly on Fain, who shocked the nation when he won the UAW presidency earlier this year, the real story sits squarely with the workers themselves.

    Eric Truss: So what’s different about this time is, the member had a chance to get engaged in what’s called, one member, one vote, where they were able to do a direct election of their own president and, executive [00:26:00] board staff.

    Teddy Ostrow: That’s Eric Truss, a Ford worker at the Dearborn Truck Plant and the financial secretary of Unite All Workers for Democracy, or UAWD, a rank-and-file reform caucus within the union.

    Teddy Ostrow: Eric is explaining that prior to last year, rank and file workers couldn’t actually vote in an election for the union’s top officers. It was done through an undemocratic delegate system. But UAWD organized hard to introduce a one member, one vote system within the union. They then ran a slate of candidates, including Fain, a member of UAWD, all of whom won their seats. 

    Eric Truss: this case the members had a chance to do that and they took advantage of it And because they did and they got to experience sean being in office They got to see a new approach towards how we negotiate and this has brought more fire to the membership that they’ve never seen 

    Teddy Ostrow: The member-elected leadership appears to now be working actually on behalf of the members. [00:27:00] And they’re being transparent about what’s going on in bargaining.

    Eric Truss: It seems like under the old Uh regime i’ll call it that they’ve never been involved with the with the membership as much as sean sean’s on facebook He even talked to the members on facebook and addressed their questions Um, whereas the other caucus or the other administration, they would never tell what’s on the table.

    Eric Truss: Um, and they would just bring those contracts and say, this is the best we can do. Whereas Sean says, this is where we’re at. Um, you know, here, we’re on Facebook Live. What do you think about this? 

    Teddy Ostrow: The result has been a member shipmore activated than many workers have ever seen before. Auto workers around the country participated in a first-ever contract campaign at the Big Three leading up to the strike deadline, organizing rallies, practice pickets, and other actions. With and without their local leadership’s support.

    Teddy Ostrow: Even the workers who aren’t technically on strike yet, are standing up and doing [00:28:00] what they can to keep the pressure on the Big Three. This includes not working voluntary overtime, as well as solidarity actions, such as member-led caravans circling the striking plants.

    Teddy Ostrow: In Toldeo, I stood with the strikers and watched as dozens of Jeeps, Chryslers and GM vehicles arrived in a convoy.

    Beth Walls: Support from GM, their local 14 was out here. Just hyping up everybody and showing their support. It was awesome. We’re all one big family. We’ll do what we have to do for one another and support them

    Teddy Ostrow: In downtown Detroit, on the first day of the strike, I drove to a UAW rally with Senator Bernie Sanders, Representative Rashida Tlaib, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and other politicians. The event was a sea of red-shirted UAW members, chanting, dancing, and making their worker power known. Here’s Sean Crawford again of Local 160.

    Sean Crawford: I feel inspired, feel hopeful. I think the whole event seemed poetic. You know, it’s a beautiful day here in Detroit. You know, the sky is [00:29:00] blue. You got the people mover track here. Um, I, there’s a ton of folks out. More people than I’ve ever seen at a rally here before.

    Teddy Ostrow: After the rally’s speeches, the crowd marched on Jefferson avenue. As we made our way to the GM headquarters at the Renaissance Center. I ran into Ryder Littlejohn, a skilled trades Ford worker at the Stamping Plant In Buffalo, New York. We’d spoken previously to by phone. I asked him

    Teddy Ostrow: Have you ever seen unity like this in your union? 

    Ryder Littlejohn: Not in a long, long time. This is what the UAW has always been about. We’ve always been a progressive, organized union fighting for the working class. And it’s good to see it come back

    Teddy Ostrow: Off the recording, as we crowded onto the steps of the GM HQ, workers chants’ grew louder. Ryder turned to me, shook his head in disbelief, and said, “Solidarity. Isn’t it beautiful?”

     (Audio of chants) 

    Teddy Ostrow: When I got home to Brooklyn a week into the strike, I have [00:30:00] to admit I was little sad to leave the picket line. The energy was infectious. The solidarity, beautiful, as Ryder put it.

    Teddy Ostrow: But only a few days later, on September 22, I got my chance to join the strike again.

     (Car engine noise) 

    Teddy Ostrow: All right, so here’s the deal. 38 PDC, that’s Parts Distribution Centers, uh, just went up across the nation from GM and Stellantis. It was just announced at 10 a. m. The UAW, Sean Fain, through Facebook live stream said, look, uh, forward. We’re making progress there. We’re not going to strike any more plants, but GM and Stellantis, they’re not getting with the program.

    Teddy Ostrow: So now I’m heading to the location at Tappan, New York, PDC. Um, and yeah, we’re going to go find out what’s going on on the strike line in the second round of the UAW standup strikes.

     (car noise) 

    Teddy Ostrow: I pulled up to Chrysler the picket line at 1pm, an hour [00:31:00] after roughly 80 workers walked off the job. As I said, Tappan wasn’t the only plant called to “stand up” on September 22. 5,000 other workers across the country – in California, Wisconsin, Georgia, and so on – also hit the picket line.

    Teddy Ostrow: Tappan, where we stood, is in the New York metro area, so as you may expect, cost of living is incredibly high. It was no wonder that wage increases were at the top of the strikers’ demands.

    Teddy Ostrow: I spoke to Celeste Miller, shop chair of UAW Local 3039, and Jeffrey Purcell, the local’s president, who still drives the forklift at the plant. 

    Celeste Miller: Uh, when I started 30 years ago… Um, they’re going, I started at 15. 74, now when you start, you start at 15. 78, that’s 30 years later, that’s ridiculous.

    Jeffrey Purcell: I’m a single father of three, so my family is on a line with this as well. Uh, we. Majority of people who work here [00:32:00] commute about a 45 minutes to an hour from here.

    Jeffrey Purcell: I personally live in Pennsylvania. I drive an hour and a half to work every day, every day, a hundred miles each way, a hundred miles, a hundred miles back home every day. For, you know, to basically have a life, I wanna have a house for my kids, I wanna live a good life that was sudden you used to be able to work here and afford.

    Jeffrey Purcell: But now with the way that the wages has been going, the economy gets more and more expensive. Inflation is through the roof, and our raises are reflecting that

    Teddy Ostrow: Workers like Jeffrey and Celeste deal with a lot of the same issues as other auto workers, but some of them also have been pushed into yet another tier of their own. Their plant, like the 37 others called out on September 22, is a parts distribution center. Their job is supply parts and accessories to car dealerships. According to GM and Stellantis, that means they deserve an inferior wage scale than assembly workers. 

    Teddy Ostrow: It was an interesting choice by the union to ask specifically these plants to stand up, and [00:33:00] to spare Ford of any more walk outs.

    Dan Vicente: We didn’t walk out on any Ford facilities today because Ford actually put forward a proposal.

    Dan Vicente: Uh, yesterday it was the first offer that we felt wasn’t a straight up insult. 

    Teddy Ostrow: That’s Dan Vicente. You may remember his voice from a previous Upsurge episode. He’s the director of UAW Region 9. A UAWD member, he was elected by members earlier this year on the reform slate. He’s on the executive board, so he actually has a say in the strike strategy.

    Dan Vicente: And we were like, look, exact, that’s what we’re talking about. We want to bargain. We want to get real. So if you start getting real, we’re not looking to shut down the whole country’s, uh, auto industry, the big three.

    Dan Vicente: But if you want to keep paying us poverty wages, well, it is what it is.

    Teddy Ostrow: Dan’s referencing the fact in bargaining, Ford actually conceded to a lot of what the UAW is demanding. They agreed to abolish one of their wage tiers, to reinstate COLA, to give workers [00:34:00] the right to strike over plant closures, and to hire all current temps within 90 days. 

    Teddy Ostrow: The union hasn’t declared victory yet. There’s still more work to do. But admittedly, those concessions are pretty remarkable just a week in. GM and Stellantis, on the other hand, didn’t budge on most of the major issues, so the union expanded strikes solely against them.

    Dan Vicente: I was advocating for we shut everything down and we chain ourselves to machines. So I’m glad that we have, exactly.

    Dan Vicente: And I’m glad we work through these things and we discuss this to me makes the most reasonable sense. 

    Dan Vicente: we have the most leverage right before a strike because, and that’s why the companies come in the 11th hour and want to get something done because they don’t know, is this really going to happen?

    Dan Vicente: Is it not right now? We’re keeping them off balance. 

    Dan Vicente: we could have taken out the engine and transmission plants right away and shut down everything, choked everything. We didn’t do that. We took down [00:35:00] assembly operations, final assembly plants or stamping plant to send a message like.

    Dan Vicente: We’re going to come after your bottom line, like that’s what this is, but we don’t want to go all out on strike. We want fair and equitable contracts. Our people are workers. We want to be at work. It’s just we don’t want to have to struggle all the goddamn time for every single cent. 

    Teddy Ostrow: The strategy, in other words, was to leverage the union’s threat of a strike, while keeping workers ready and excited to potentially join in. Now, with the parts depots out on strike, workers can be joined by supporters on their pickets across the nation. The strike has been brought to all of our backyards. And on September 26, the UAW even pressured President Joe Biden to join the picket line in Michigan. This was the first time in history that a sitting US president joined a strike line.

    Teddy Ostrow: It’s too early to tell, but so far, it does appear, that the union’s strategy [00:36:00] is working.

    Dan Vicente: I applaud Ford for putting forward something today that we can actually start working with.

    Dan Vicente: I think that shows real good faith and us not shutting down more facilities and Ford shows that we’re both acting in good faith here and want to get something done. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Now it’s time for GM and Stellantis to step up to the plate. 

    Dan Vicente: Uh, GM Stellantis, you want to keep playing this game? We’ll shut the whole thing down. But I mean, we’re not afraid to do it. We don’t want to do it, but if you want to get in a street fight with street people, that’s a dumb thing to do.

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  • It is looking increasingly likely that Congressional Republicans will bring the federal government to a shutdown starting this weekend. “U.S. government services would be disrupted and hundreds of thousands of federal workers would be furloughed without pay if Congress fails to provide funding for the fiscal year starting Oct. 1,” Reuters reports. “Workers deemed essential would remain on the job, but without pay.” Among the many agencies that will be furloughing workers in the event of a shutdown is the National Labor Relations Board. Not only will unionized staff workers at the NLRB itself be hurt by the government shutdown—after years of enduring chronic and politically motivated underfunding and understaffing—but so, too, will working people around the country who depend on the NLRB to enforce labor law, investigate Unfair Labor Practice charges, manage union elections, etc. In this urgent mini-cast, we talk with Michael Bilik and Colton Puckett, legislative co-chairs of the National Labor Relations Board Union and full-time NLRB staff workers, about the daily work NLRB staff do, the role that work plays in the broader labor movement, and what it will mean for workers if the government shuts down and nearly all of NLRB staff are furloughed.

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    Michael Bilik:

    (singing) My name’s Michael Bilik. I’m a NLRBU legislative co-chair, along with Colton Puckett here. We are also full-time NLRB staff. I’ve worked for the NLRB as a trial attorney out of New York since 2011, and I’ve served for the union in this legislative capacity since 2018. In that capacity, we represent all of the rank-and-file employees nationwide in all of the NLRB’s regional offices, about 50 in total. That includes attorneys, investigators, administrative staff, as well as the administrative staff in our headquarters. So we have a really wide degree of people that we represent. I’ve also served as the local president in Region 2 for several years. We’ve been at this legislative work now for the last five years, six years or so, totally in a volunteer capacity. We work full-time, like I said, as NLRB staff, so spend all of our own time doing this legislative work, trying to get the word out about what’s going on at the agency, what’s happening to our staff. I’ll leave it to Colton.

    Colton Puckett:

    My name is Colton Puckett. I’m also a co-chair of the legislative committee for the NLRBU. I’m a field attorney out of our Region 16 office in San Antonio, Texas. I’m actually relatively new to the agency. I’ve been here just a little bit over a year and have been serving in the legislative co-chair capacity for almost that entire time. I think in addition to everything Mike said, one of the interesting things about the BU is we are completely independent almost by nature and by necessity, but that means we’re also completely rank-and-file run. So, like Mike said, we are all doing this on a volunteer basis, and that’s how basically the entire organizational structure of the union operates.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    All right. Well, welcome everyone to another episode of Working People, a podcast about the lives, jobs, dreams, and struggles of the working class today. Brought to you in partnership with In These Times Magazine and The Real News Network, produced by Jules Taylor, and made possible by the support of listeners like you.

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    My name is Maximillian Alvarez. I am really grateful to have Michael and Colton on the call today. As y’all heard, Michael and Colton are here speaking as members of the National Labor Relations Board Union, the NLRBU, and as staff members working at the NLRB. They are not, I want to make it clear, speaking on behalf of the agency or as representatives of the NLRB itself.

    I’m super, super grateful to both of them for coming on the show today and talking to us because we’ve got, once again, another urgent mini-cast for y’all. We are recording this episode on Wednesday, September 27th. We once again stand on the precipice of what is looking like an ever-increasingly likely government shutdown. That is going to impact a lot of people, a lot of people working in the federal government, and a lot of people who depend on the federal government for countless services. That includes the very workers that we talk to week in, week out on this show who are trying to band together with their coworkers and exercise their right to form a union. They are trying to exercise their right to not be retaliated against by their employers for engaging in protected concerted activity.

    Yet, we know that that happens all too often in this country, which is why we have a National Labor Relations Board. We have an agency that is charged with overseeing labor relations and attending to labor violations. Every week, we give y’all more reasons for why the NLRB itself is important and the role that it plays in the worker and labor movements that we cover on this show and at The Real News Network. You bet your ass that that’s going to be directly impacted by this federal government shutdown.

    Before I toss things back over to Michael and Colton so that we can dig into what that is going to mean if, in fact, the government shuts down, what is it going to mean for the NLRB, what is that going to mean for Michael Colton, their co-workers and the people, the working people that they are serving on a day-to-day, week-to-week basis, but before we get there, I just want to set the table really quick and give y’all as much up-to-date context as we currently have as of right now, 5:00 p.m. on Wednesday, September 27th.

    I want to start by reading the latest report from the Washington Post, which was published about a half hour ago. We will obviously link to this piece in the show notes for this episode. But this piece, which was written by Jacob Bogage and Marianna Sotomayor, which is entitled Shut Down Odds Grow as House GOP Leaders Reject Senate Spending Bill. The article reads thus, quote, “A federal government shutdown looked increasingly likely, as House Republicans indicated Wednesday they would not consider a bipartisan Senate plan to fund the government past the weekend deadline. The Senate is working on a bill to continue funding the government at current levels into mid-November, which would also provision some of the billions of dollars President Biden seeks for US aid to Ukraine and for natural disaster relief.

    But House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, Republican from California, swiftly rejected that idea, telling his conference in a closed-door meeting Wednesday that he would not put the Senate bill on the floor in its current form. In other private meetings this week, McCarthy began to float the idea of taking the Senate’s short-term bill, stripping it of provisions the House GOP opposes, then tacking on a House-passed border security bill and sending it back to the Senate. Separately, McCarthy and his allies have continued to encourage their colleagues to pass a 30-day short-term spending bill Friday, which would include border security, in a signal of defiance to the Senate. Exactly what that bill would include remained up in the air Wednesday afternoon.”

    The authors continue later on in the piece, quote, “The different tactics nearly guarantee a government shutdown unless lawmakers can force some other long-shot solution. The two chambers working in opposition to one another probably won’t have enough time to pass a stopgap spending bill, called a continuing resolution or CR, before the current funding laws expire at 12:01 a.m. on Sunday.

    McCarthy and President Biden worked out a deal in June that was supposed to avert this round of back and forth. During those talks, Republicans agreed to suspend the debt limit, aka, amount of money the federal government can borrow to pay for previously approved spending, in exchange for limiting non-defense spending in 2024 to about $1.6 trillion. That would be a cut from current spending levels accounting for inflation. But far-right members of McCarthy’s caucus have demanded a lower spending level and threatened to boot McCarthy from the Speakership if he did not comply. Instead of attempting to pass a short-term government funding bill with Democratic votes, McCarthy has tried to extract more concessions by abandoning the deal he struck in May,” end quote.

    Now, I want to quickly follow that up with another article that we will link to in the show notes. This was also published earlier today, Wednesday, September 27th. This was published in Reuters. It’s just a quick passage that I’m going to read, but it does directly address how the shutdown would affect multiple government agencies including the NLRB. This article in Reuters reads, quote, “US government services would be disrupted and hundreds of thousands of federal workers would be furloughed without pay if Congress fails to provide funding for the fiscal year starting October 1st. Workers deemed essential would remain on the job but without pay. Many government agencies have not updated shutdown plans they had prepared in the past, but here’s a guide to what would stay open and what would shut down.” In the section labeled Labor, they write, quote, “Workplace safety inspections would be limited, and investigations into unfair pay practices would be suspended, according to the White House. The ability of the National Labor Relations Board to mediate labor disputes would be curtailed because almost all of its 1,200 employees would be furloughed according to a 2022 plan,” end quote.

    That is as much information as we currently have on where things stand with this looming government shutdown. But as I said and as those articles attest, it is looking increasingly likely that a shutdown will happen. So we wanted to get Michael and Colton on this urgent mini-cast to take stock of what the hell that’s going to mean and what working people should be prepared for in the event of a government shutdown, and also just more generally what this tells us of the state of the NLRB and how we got to this point with that agency, which again does such vital work for working people for the movement and for the enforcement of existing labor law.

    Michael, Colton, really appreciate y’all hopping on and chatting with us today. I’ve talked long enough here in the intro. I want to dig into all of this with y’all. But before we get to the shutdown itself, there are two things I want to focus on first. First, I want to go back around the table and ask if y’all could say a bit more about the work that you do there and that you and your colleagues at the NLRB do. Because this is what we do every week. We talk to working people about the work that do and what goes into that work.

    We’ve been talking about the NLRB so much in recent years because, again, this is where unions are filing for union elections. This is where unfair labor practice charges are getting filed against major corporations from Amazon to Starbucks to mom and pop coffee shops. It’s such a vital institution in the broader landscape of labor relations in this country. But we rarely ever get to hear about what work goes on in there, what that looks like for y’all on the other side. So can we start there and just give people more of a sense of the kind of work that goes on at the NLRB?

    Colton Puckett:

    I think you kind of touched on at a high level the core functions that we do that I think most folks that know about our agency know about what we do. That’s, we investigate unfair labor practice charges. So if someone believes that their employer or their union has violated the law in some way, they can file a charge with us. We investigate it and figure out whether or not the charge has merit. That’s a big portion of the work we do, and I’ll talk a little bit more about what that means.

    Another big thing that we do is we run union elections, essentially. When workers come together, they decide, “We want to form a union, we want to join a union,” they’ll file a petition with us. There’s a certain process that that entails. Then when it comes time to actually hold the election, we in the field go to wherever that election is taking place and we make sure that it’s done and done in as fair and impartial way as is possible.

    Then the last thing we do, another big thing that is part and parcel with unfair labor practice investigations is we try cases. If we find that there is merit to one of these unfair labor practice charges that we get, we always will try to settle a case, of course, but sometimes it doesn’t work out. That means we actually go to trial before an administrative law judge and we litigate the case, and we try and prove the violation. It’s similar to, it’s not exactly like going to federal court, but it’s the same general idea. So that’s another big portion of the work that we do.

    That’s the big three things at a very high level. But I think sometimes getting into the day-to-day, some of that can get lost. As field staff, I think Mike mentioned at the top, we work in offices spread all around the country. We are essentially the front line of the agency for working people all across the country. That means that we interface directly with workers every single day. Whether that’s a charging party, we’re trying to help them figure out how to e-file their evidence, for example, or figure out what they need to send to us that might be useful versus what not to, or if we’re just answering questions about where their case is in the process or what certain processes means because a lot of this is legalese. We don’t expect everybody to know exactly what an unfair labor practice is. That’s a big portion of the work we do.

    One of the things that we do, in every regional office, there’s an information officer on duty every day. You can call your regional office. They might not answer immediately, but leave a voicemail and you will talk to a live person that day, and they will walk you through any questions that you have. If you want to file a charge, they can assist you in preparing the charge and informing you how to do that. I don’t necessarily know that a lot of other federal agencies have that type of direct person-to-person interaction in that way. So that’s a big thing that we do. We talk to folks all the time and then just try and help them understand what it is we do and what it is their rights are. So those are the big things we do.

    I think a lot of the work we do, I think it’s interesting because I’m a labor law nerd, but it can be a little dry. It’s a lot of research. It’s a lot of writing. It’s a lot of looking at evidence and thinking about, what do we have, what do we need, and has a violation occurred here, and figuring out what the law says for particular circumstances and making our best determination. That’s a lot of the day-to-day work, and I think we’ll talk a little bit more later about how that has increased in recent years. We have a lot of cases, we’ll say that. So we try and work our way through them as best we can, as quickly as we can. That requires, like I said, a lot of working with the people that we serve, a lot of other types of work, just basic research and writing, and all that kind of stuff as well, too.

    Michael Bilik:

    I’ll add that, like Colton said, we have boots on the ground throughout the country. We have an agent in Alaska. We have agents in Puerto Rico. There aren’t many of us, but we’re out there. One of the advantages of that, like we said, we’re local. We talk to the people who are working in the communities that we live, constantly. We’re constantly taking their testimony, giving them an opportunity and avenue not only to tell their stories, but potentially to enforce their rights.

    I’ve been at the board… Like I said, I started as an intern in 2010 straight out of law school. So I’ve been around a while, and I’ve seen the board take on a lot of different… We’ve just taken on a lot of different shades. I could say that right now, one of the things that I’ve always been the most proud of is our ability in the field. Because we’re able to dive into, we were at least, able to dive into cases, we really have this ability to resolve disputes. If you want to look at your job just simply as a bureaucrat, okay, you have papers coming in, you’re taking the testimony. I don’t have an accept or reject stamp on my desk, although I’ve always wanted that. That can be the function sometimes.

    But more often than not at this agency, because we’ve taken such an outreaching public point of view, is that we were able to really get the parties together and try to reach a resolution even during the investigation of a charge. Not only do we have… not only. We still have that authority, of course, and we have that license, but as the case intake has exploded and staffing has cratered, that of course has become difficult. It becomes more and more difficult every day to perform that function.

    But at least theoretically, when this agency is operating at some modicum of health, we do serve this mediator role. That’s constantly what we’re trying to do is trying to resolve. We understand that allowing cases to go through the full litigation process can take years. We also understand that our injunctive remedies where we run into federal court and try to get a federal judge who likely has either no experience with labor law or has extremely hostile views of federal agencies, especially federal agencies who enforce labor rights, we understand that these solutions are not always the best. So when we’re operating at our best, our staff, our people are really able to apply their skills and talents to try to do good every day in the work in front of them. I think that’s a big-

    Colton Puckett:

    [inaudible 00:21:18].

    Michael Bilik:

    … part of what we do. Yeah, go ahead.

    Colton Puckett:

    One thing I think I’ll just add that I think was alluded to earlier on is that it’s interesting, I think, for us because, like you said, we’re here in our capacity as members of the union and talking about issues that affect us as workers, but we also know that we serve working people. So we occupy that dual role of wanting to serve working people, but also being working people ourselves. It’s not lost on me, certainly. I can’t speak for anybody else, but that’s a function that I try to be mindful of, at the very least, as often as I can at least.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Well, I just wanted to, if I may, just ask about that just as a clarifying point for people listening who maybe did not know that the National Labor Relations Board staff had their own independent union, the NLRBU. I think this is something that is coming on people’s radar a bit more of late here at The Real News Network. Earlier this year, I interviewed two congressional staffers who have been involved in the Congressional Workers Union, which is also an independent union movement to try to unionize different congressional staffing offices on the Hill, some in the House but, with the results of the midterm elections, focus has been on the Senate. But I think a lot of people were just stunned to learn about the effort in the first place. Before we move on, I just wanted to ask if you could say a bit more for people listening about the union itself, why it’s important for even people working within the NLRB to have their own union and what that union means for you.

    Colton Puckett:

    I think for us, I certainly wasn’t there when the union was formed, but for me, the reason to have a union and the reason that a union is important is the same for me as it is, I think, for most people that want to have a union. It’s having some semblance of a say in your working conditions. It’s protection against arbitrary or ridiculous discipline or enforcement of rules or things like that. It’s ensuring that you have the tools that you need to succeed in your job and that you are not constantly having to battle it out with management individually to get what you need. There’s power in the collective, and there’s power in people coming together to have each other’s backs.

    Our union, I think, doesn’t function any differently than any other union. We’re a federal sector union, so we’re kind of constrained in terms of certain things we can do. Like, we don’t necessarily have the right to strike, but I think we have just as good of a grievance process or staple of people that can handle grievances as any union in the country, and we do that. Even for an agency that is dedicated to protecting workers’ rights, sometimes management is management, and you have to push back against things that they’re going to do. Sometimes you have political leadership of the agency that is fundamentally hostile to the mission of the agency, and that can present problems for the staff as workers themselves in addition to administering the law. Our union helps protect us. We protect each other any time something like that happens. I think it’s no different than anybody else in their union.

    Michael Bilik:

    I think especially in times of that type of hostility where our… Of course, our bosses, they can change in an instant, and they can become very different people overnight, but especially in those times of hostility, and we certainly experienced extreme hostility pretty recently. I think we also see that having a staff union that is vibrant, strong, and is willing to speak out obviously about issues affecting our terms and conditions of employment, but also about the health of the institution in which we serve.

    By our nature, we’re public servants. The people who work here are sacrificing in one way or another to serve the public, to serve the mission of the agency. We have a lot of true believers who work here. Our collective strength around that idea, that idea that, together, we can act in ways that will benefit and serve the institution even when we have major headwinds either from the people within or from Congress or from a lot of other people and entities and think tanks and whatever. Our agency and, by extension, us, we have constant targets on our back. It’s been that way for as long as I’ve been working here and much longer.

    I think that’s the reason, I would say, in terms of the union, in terms of the NLRBU, we’re like the OG federal employee union. We’ve been around since 1936, so long before there was any statute protecting federal employees, and that’s like the year after this agency came to existence. Right off the bat, the staff here were like, “We need a union in order to be able to protect ourselves but also protect the institution and better serve the public.” As you can imagine, it’s a union that is made up of labor lawyers, investigators, all the people who are deeply involved and dedicated to the mission of promoting collective bargaining, so you can imagine what happens with that.

    But at the same time, yeah, bosses are bosses, and NLRB bosses are no different, frankly. Our labor relations honestly with the NLRB management forever has been pretty poisonous and very adversarial, I would say. There’s a reason why, I think it was a couple of years ago, that the GAO put out a report on our agency. I know people don’t wake up every day and say, “Let me look at the latest GAO report that was put out.” There’s a lot of telling stuff in there because no one really acts on this stuff, but there’s a way in which they can shine a light on things happening inside the government that otherwise you never hear about.

    One of their findings, when they took a look at our agency, was that our labor relations was awful. That their experience of even just looking into the way in which our efficiencies around case handling and just their communication back and forth with agency management, they concluded that actually one of the biggest issues of the agency is the way in which they were treating our staff unions and shutting us out in ways, but also taking a really, really hard line approach.

    At that point, the way federal employee unions work is we rely on something called official time. So it was a trade in the ’70s. Essentially, when the statute that governs federal sector employee relations was passed in the ’70s… It’s got a ridiculously long name. I can’t remember it. We just call it The Statute. Like The Act, it’s The Statute. There was a trade-off where federal employees essentially gave up their right to strike. One of the things we got in exchange was that we would be able to use duty time while we’re on the job as employees to do union functions. That has over time, for us… especially because we’re entirely self-run. I think we mentioned that before. We don’t have a staff. We have to be independent. We are run entirely by full-time NLRB staff, and we rely entirely on official time.

    You might recall back, it was pretty early on in the Trump administration that there were some executive orders that were aimed at federal employees and especially federal employee unions. One of those executive orders just overnight sought to totally unlawfully gut the ability of federal employees to use official time. The agency took that, even though, of course, they have an obligation to bargain and they have to bargain with us, especially to impasse and take it to the impasse, but they just decided to unilaterally implement it.

    At the time, the agency that serves federal employees, the way we serve the private sector, it’s called the FLRA, the Federal Labor Relations Authority, didn’t have a general counsel, so they couldn’t act on any unfair labor practice charges that came before them. They were entirely just 100% gutted. So we had no recourse. So you had that across the board for federal employees. That has been… Still to this day, it’s not a priority in the administration, I think. Anyway, I’m going far afield here. Just to say, that’s the way we operate our union is essentially entirely through this official time function.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    I think that this is all super helpful. Frankly, if we weren’t recording a urgent episode related to the shutdown, I would want us to spend more time talking about this. I think it’s all helpful context. Because there are two things I want to say in response to that is, one, just about the nature of needing a union within the agency itself, even if that agency is the NLRB. That’s not necessarily a knock on the agency itself, but like we say on this show every week, every worker deserves a union. Every worker has that right. It is ultimately us who need to come together, band together, and fight for our rights and protect ourselves and our co-workers. You can’t leave that kind of stuff up to chance, up to the whims of your employer regardless of what kind of institution you’re at.

    Next week, the episode that we’ve got coming out on this podcast that I actually recorded yesterday was an episode with four members of the Office and Professional Employees International Union, or OPEIU, Local 2 out in DC, who themselves are unionized staffers working at the national headquarters for the Service Employees International Union, SEIU. They have been working without a contract for over a year. They have also been facing union busting, not like the overt evil, “I want to destroy the union and fire everybody” kind of union busting, but the soft union busting where their membership has been shrinking for years. They have been dealing with two-tier employment systems that mean basically people hired after the last contract date are effectively screwed out of better pay and better benefits.

    You don’t have to be a mustache-twirling CEO of Stellantis to be a union buster. You can still achieve the same goals even if you work at an institution with a mission that you really believe in, whether you’re at a nonprofit or at a government agency, or even at the headquarters of a labor union itself. No one is immune to the employer/employee relationship in the ways that it can be abused and the ways people can be exploited and the points at which the interests of those two sides are fundamentally and diametrically opposed. That’s just the nature of the beast.

    I also wanted to fold that into the next question. Because you both started going into this, and Mike, you were kind of saying, “Oh, I’m getting too far afield,” but I think this is really important to cover before we end here and talk about the shutdown itself. Because before we get to that, I want people to better understand the state of the agency and the kind of struggle that y’all have been going through for years.

    The funding for the NLRB had not been raised since 2014. Then this past year it was raised but by, what, $23 million at a time when new union election filings are through the roof and ULPs are coming in left and right. There’s such a tremendous need for the work that y’all do. I know it because I interview the goddamn workers who need it every week and y’all are out there talking to them every week. So I’m well aware of how desperately people need a well-functioning, well-staffed, well-funded National Labor Relations Board. But I want people to understand, before we talk about the effects of the shutdown, of how hard it’s been to get that at the NLRB. Can you give folks more of an inside sense of just the state of the agency and its funding, its staffing, the things that are impacting y’all’s ability to carry out the mission that you’re there to carry out?

    Michael Bilik:

    I’ll start at the [inaudible 00:36:19] end, sorry, right now. We’re right up against the precipice of the shutdown, so we’re right at the end of the fiscal year. Like I said, I’ve been around for 12 years. Right now, we are struggling. Our case intake has just been steadily on the rise. But really the major problem is that we just have been hemorrhaging staff. Like we discussed, the work of the NLRB is entirely its staff. We don’t have generative AI functions to do the work of the NLRB, nor should we. It’s us, it’s bodies, and it’s bodies who earn a salary and benefits.

    Over time, the agency’s budget has more and more and more become just almost entirely made up of employee salaries because there’s just been an attempt to basically cut and cut and cut around anything else that can be cut other than just absolutely necessary overhead. The reason for that is really simple, and it’s something that is just… It’s often a very black-boxed process that people don’t want to hear about. It can be boring, and it’s hard to necessarily connect the dots. That is, it’s appropriations, it’s budgets, it’s money, and the way that…

    If you care about labor rights, it’s something I implore you to try to do whatever you can to understand because it’s as complicated as it can be. Just the very short version of it is that we receive funding through either some kind of budget act, just like any other federal agency, a continuing resolution. There’s all sorts of different vehicles that we receive funding, but they all happen in short-term increments that vary from… It can be as short as a few days for a continuing resolution that pushes this funding out for an additional week, which is something you may be hearing a lot about right now on the shutdown, to, at most, we will receive funding for a single-year period. Beyond that, we have no idea what our funding is going to be. That’s the way the entire federal government is funded, which of course is totally nuts because you can’t actually plan beyond a year for the most part.

    When you have an agency like ours which has become such a target politically, you know that there’s a certain group of people that are trying to defund you. Because they know if you defund the agency, it means you don’t have the people to enforce labor law, and that means labor law doesn’t get enforced. While that threat has always been out there, that we would just be wholesale defunded… I remember actually when I started working here, I got an offer one day that was then rescinded a couple of months later because somebody in the House put out a bill saying they were going to cut NLRB funding by 40%. So everybody in the agency got scared and said, “Oh, well, we got to take away all the offers from the people that are going to come in for the next year.” Then finally, it wasn’t until that bill dissipated that they brought all the offers back. Since then, that is the way that this agency largely gets staffed is through… Whenever we have a little opening, we’ll hire a few people. But for the most part, we live in fear of being gutted.

    What has ended up happening is that, even though we haven’t had that crazy… that bill that ultimately would gut us, like the one that House Republicans are currently, I think, maybe even debating today, in their Labor, Health, Education budget, which I think their proposal is something ridiculous, it would cut us, I think, back to $200 million from $300 million. It would just result in… Colton and I would just immediately disappear into the ether. We would just have to lay off basically half the staff if that ever actually happened.

    But what’s happened instead is that they figured out a different and much more effective and, in some ways, more pernicious way of killing us, which is by flat funding us. So there was this idea coming out of the last time there was a shutdown, 2013. One of the deals that came out of that, one of the budget deals that came out, I think it was the year after that, was this thing called sequestration. If you remember this, there was just wholesale meat cleaver cuts to federal agencies and I think military as well, it was everybody, who got a 5% cut across the board. We all suffered that cut. I remember Dick Griffin was the general counsel at the time. I was an NLRB staffer. I remember him coming on and telling everybody that we were going to do whatever we could not to furlough employees, but there was no guarantee, and there certainly was not going to be any hiring that year.

    So after that year, starting in 2014, the sequestration ended, and we landed at $274 million. Every year since then, for all sorts of different reasons, there has been what people on the Hill would often refer to in a way that would really piss me off, honestly, was a detente that Democrats wouldn’t seek to increase the board’s funding and Republicans wouldn’t try to cut it. So that was the deal on NLRB funding. We’re a one-line item in a huge budget of Labor, Health, Education. There’s all sorts of hot button issues in that bill. The NLRB’s budget was going to stay flat, and no one was going to care about it.

    So what happened? Well, guess what? Costs of salaries go up every year. We have mandated raises. Of course, as a working person, I do want a little raise every year. It would be nice. We have mandated raises every year. That all has to come out of our annual budget. The agency doesn’t have any discretion on that. And we have increases in overhead. Like we said, part of the way in which we’re affected is that we are all over the country. We have offices all over the place. We have people all over the place, mostly in urban areas. The rent is often too damn high. That’s true for the NLRB’s regional offices around as well. So that overhead continues to go up. So there’s only one way to deal with that, and it’s through attrition. So each and every year goes by, since 2014, we just lose bodies in order to be able to make up whatever that overhead and salary increases are so that we can meet that same dollar amount each year.

    What’s ended up happening is that… Like you mentioned, the first time we saw an increase was this past year, and it was just $25 million. But for that period of time where we were flat funded, we have essentially lost about 40% of our staff in the regional offices, which is insane, and we feel it, let me tell you. We’ve lost 40% of our staff.

    Meanwhile, in the last few years especially, our case intake has just been skyrocketed. We just got some numbers that we were looking at based off our public website. You can kind of figure these things out. We’re not all the way through the end of the fiscal year, but we can see that this year, probably ending September 30th, we’re going to have another big increase this year in unfair labor case practice, unfair ELP, sorry, ULP case filings. Last year, we had about 18,000 nationwide of just ULPs. This year we’re going to have 19,500, and total with representation cases, which saw a huge increase the year before, like a 50% year increase year over year, that is holding high still. That is not coming down. So we’re looking at over 22,000 cases nationwide. That’s going to end up being the most cases we’ve seen filed since before the Trump administration. Basically, we’ve rebounded to a pretty high number. Yet, where’s all the staff to do all that work that we had back in 2016?

    So we’re looking right now at the number of cases that each agent is expected to investigate, prosecute, or facilitate in terms of union election representation cases has essentially doubled since 2014, since when we started, since the flat funding started, sorry. So it’s not all in our heads. We’re feeling this way right now. I can tell you just from my experience, there are cases… Like I said before, one of the things that we’re most proud of is our ability to resolve cases.

    Something that really is necessary is you need to be able to dive into a case quickly. Each day that goes by, the harder a case becomes to resolve. The parties become more entrenched. The remedies become harder to achieve, whatever. Maybe the person who is aggrieved is now out of work for an extended period, needs to find another job, walks away, wants to do something different. What’s happened to us right now is that we just don’t have the capacity to be able to do that. I can tell you from my experience, I’m putting out the fires that are in front of me every day. We were not able to… The processes that we’ve used in the past to be able to process these cases quickly, to get a resolution, get some kind of decision within a few months at most, which is really fast, frankly, for a federal agency, all that’s just out the door right now. It’s just not possible.

    That is all coming from this decade of budget austerity that we faced. It was a few years into it, maybe in 2018, that it was something that we realized within the union that was not getting talked about at all in any sphere. Like we said, we’re an independent union. We didn’t really have a good way of broadcasting and talking about what was going on inside these doors, but we realized what was going on. So we decided to create this legislative capacity at that point and really start hammering, going to the Hill, talking to as many people as we can to say, “Hey, look, here’s what’s happening. We can see what’s happening.” We could see our staffing just falling off the cliff at that point. This was only four years into it. This was five years ago, 2018. Each year that went by, we’d say, “Hey, look, we’re continuing to tell you this.”

    So over that time, we’ve definitely tried to focus energy on this on the Hill. I hope, I think it’s become more of an issue, and I think that’s part of the reason why we actually were able to get this $25 million increase last year. I think it was a monumental effort to break free of that decade-long detente that had really screwed us. But that $25 million, that’s an inflationary adjustment. That was an 8% increase in a year that inflation was 8%. That was barely covering the difference. So while last year, we were potentially facing furloughs of our staff, not anything to do with the shutdown, just because our flat funding had finally gotten to the point where we were starting to really cut into the bone.

    We warned everybody about this a year ago that we’re not going to have the money. We’re going to have to furlough people. We get this $25 million. We’re probably facing that same reality again. Imagine working under those circumstances where you don’t really have any idea what the agency’s budget’s going to be, and you are constantly under this threat, this threat that’s really not that far off that you’re just going to be furloughed and you’re not going to be paid some random number of days. That’s the current state of the NLRB, let’s put it that way.

    Colton Puckett:

    I’ll just add real quick, one of the things Mike talked about is attrition. What attrition also means is institutional brain drain. So people with tons of experience, people that have done this for years, they have earned their retirement in a lot of cases, or they’re tired of the pressure, they’re tired of the caseload and they burn out, and that’s real. I don’t fault anyone for that. So folks leave, and we either can’t backfill, or to whatever extent we do get any hiring authority, it’s usually not much. But we bring on new people, and they get buried in an avalanche of stuff, and they burn out just as quickly. So we lose folks. Even if we do get some small amount of hiring authority, if we can’t keep those people, the problem is still the same. So it becomes this vicious cycle of, even if we can get some people, a portion of them are not going to stay. It just self-perpetuates over and over again. Meanwhile, we’re losing good, dedicated people that have a ton of experience.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Well, and I want to be careful here because I don’t want to get anyone in trouble. I know we’re already going long, so we got to wrap up. I just want to say I’m speaking for myself here, no one else, but what the fuck, man? Because this is where, to me, the obvious… When we hear from politicians on both sides of the aisle about how they’re friends of labor… I mean right now, we’re talking as the UAW strike is in full swing. More Locals joined the standup strike last Friday. It’s a pretty damn significant thing in our lifetimes, I’ve never seen it before, that the president of the United States went to a picket line, and the former president before him, well, he went to a scab picket line, or he went to a scab gathering organized by the National Right to Work Foundation. So fuck them. Again, I’m speaking for myself.

    But stuff like that… Everyone wants to pretend that they’re friends of the worker, everyone wants to pretend that they’re on our side, and every election season we see the same old shit. We see people standing next to coal-covered coal miners in Appalachia. We see people standing next to manufacturers in the Midwest and the Rust Belt, UPS workers, teachers, nurses, so on and so forth because it’s easy to say you’re pro-labor and pro-worker when the stakes are low for you. But when it actually comes to showing your hand, to actually making good on that campaign promise to stand up for workers, you see everyone’s true colors. Frankly, I think that we’ve seen on both sides of the aisle that these people don’t care as much about workers and labors as they say they do. Because how could you throttle the very agency that is tasked with safeguarding and enforcing labor law in this country and just let it slowly die the way that Michael and Colton have been laying out over the past half hour?

    Because again, I’m getting pissed off about this, because you guys know, we talk every week to the people who were impacted by this. I remember talking to Chipotle workers crying on the phone to me because they were waiting to get a response after Chipotle clearly and obviously retaliated against them for unionizing, closed their store. Don’t get me wrong, the NLRB managed to attend to that case in what is in retrospect a short amount of time, but every day counts, like you guys said. I heard the workers in their voices lose faith and just feel like the bosses were winning and feel like they couldn’t hold on longer and had to go find another job and lose that dream of having a unionized store. Starbucks is perpetuating a corporate crime wave in broad daylight because they can. Again, I’m not going to try to get anyone in trouble.

    The point is is that time matters here. Resources matter. The ability of the NLRB and its staffers to do the jobs that they do at the level they need to do it and to be properly staffed and funded to carry out that work directly translates to working people being able to build power, form unions, stand up for themselves in their workplaces, not have their rights willfully violated by employers left and right. This is a fundamental component to everything that we cover week in, week out. So when I see more politicians proclaiming to be pro-labor and yet never once making the funding of the NLRB a central issue, then frankly, it’s all bullshit to me and I’m tired of hearing it.

    Now here we are at the precipice of a government shutdown where the entire agency is going to basically be furloughed more or less. Then all the workers who are depending on it and y’all are going to be screwed. Once again, here’s the Republican Party trying to say, “Oh, we’re the party of the working class now. We’re the populace. Also, let’s shut down the government over some far-right bullshit about the border so that all the workers in this country don’t have an agency to turn to when their bosses are violating their rights left and right.” How pro-worker is that? What is the shutdown going to do for working people? I’m asking that to the listeners. Once again, I’m speaking here only for myself. I just had to let off this steam because I’m about to go nuts here.

    I know I only have y’all for a few more minutes, and I want to use those few minutes by talking about the shutdown itself. Again, we’re recording this on Wednesday, September 27th. We’re going to turn this around as quickly as we can. But it is looking like a shutdown will happen over the weekend. So I wanted to ask y’all while I’ve got you, what are you hearing? What are you expecting? What should people listening expect if a shutdown does happen as it pertains to the NLRB, and how’s this going to affect working people?

    Colton Puckett:

    One of the frustrating things about the run up to the shutdown is everybody’s trying to read tea leaves, right? Everybody’s trying to predict what this, frankly, group of seemingly unpredictable people is going to do. So we don’t necessarily have any great insight to offer in terms of inside information or predicting what might happen. I agree with you. It seems increasingly likely to me at least the shutdown is going to happen. Maybe some miracle happens at the last minute. I personally doubt it. Maybe Mike disagrees. I don’t know.

    But the effect of that, if it does happen, I think is huge. It’s my understanding, we essentially get basically half a day on Monday. We come into the office. We bring our agency devices. We make sure all of our files and everything are locked away and safe. We set up a voicemail. We set up an out-of-office email response. I think we try, to some extent, to notify the people that we’re working with that the government is shut down. Not only will you not be able to reach us, but we cannot talk to you. We cannot do this work. So that is what it is. Then whatever period that’s done on Monday, we go home. We can’t do any work, and we don’t get paid.

    Frankly, there’s a large group of government employees that will continue to work and not get paid, which is insane to me. So all the things that I talked about before, investigating charges, running elections, doing trials, making sure that rights are being enforced, just being there to answer somebody’s question, all of that is done. I think technically the political appointees will still be working, of course, and then there’s a very small contingency of folks that, I think, continue to work. When I say small, I mean less than 10 or around 10 for the entire agency. Effectively, nothing is going to happen.

    What happens in that time period to workers, who can say. My hope is that folks will… Our website, as far as I know, will be operational. I assume that is true. So folks can still access information there and I think can still make use of our e-filing system, I think. Again, I could be wrong about that. Anything beyond that, you just got to wait until we get back. It’s not like we don’t want to be doing the work. That’s just the reality of the situation. It’s as frustrating for us both in terms of our own livelihoods. We all got bills to pay. We all have families and folks that we look out for. So it’s frustrating and concerning in that respect. It’s also frustrating and concerning in terms of the people that we serve and the people that we try to help. To have it just be completely out of our hands and subject to the whims of whomever, it’s kind of an awful situation all around.

    Maximillian Alvarez:

    Well, it is. Throwing out one question that I’m sure is on people’s minds listening to this. Say workers at a given shop have filed for an NLRB election and the date was set for next Wednesday. Does that get delayed till the government’s back? I guess, what happens there? I’m sure people are concerned.

    Michael Bilik:

    The rule of thumb essentially is that the only work that we are permitted to do, and again, it would be unpaid, but that what we’re permitted to do in a shut down, it has to be necessary for the safety of life and protection of property or to protect some other… If we have some kind of litigation going on in federal court, they’ll bring us in just to try to convince the court that we can’t do anything if they try to enforce it. Because you might recall or may have read that federal courts actually are likely staying open for a couple of weeks because they can operate off the fees that they receive from people, so that’s why they stay open, but eventually, that runs out.

    Anyway, for the most part, for the work that we do out in the field and interfacing with the public, as far as I know, as far as I’ve heard, yeah, we are not going to be running elections, and there is no time frame for when those elections will get rescheduled. If we’re in the middle right now processing a representation case, I think, where you’d filed a petition and we haven’t gotten to the point of doing anything…

    As far as I know… Again, we’re not speaking here on behalf of the agency, and we actually, believe it or not, have not really been given any guidance on this yet. Because I think it’s one of these things that it’ll probably be a very last minute thing. We’re going to be contacting everybody on Monday once there’s actually a lapse in funding to tell everybody exactly what’s happening in their case, if we even have time to do that because of the number of cases we each have. I would say that, I would assume that a shutdown means that our folks, our staff are 100% or nearly 100% prevented from doing mission work on top of everything else I described earlier. So you can imagine what that’s going to be like depending on when we come back if this happens. I don’t think there’s really an easy answer as to when. I don’t think we’re going to be… There’s not going to be people working to reschedule things, and so it’s going to just be a total clusterfuck. (singing)

    This post was originally published on The Real News Network.

  • The UAW’s Stand Up Strike is alive and growing. More than 18,000 auto workers across the Big Three – Ford, GM, and Stellantis – are on strike across twenty states, and just a few hours after this episode posts, thousands more will likely join them. The Fiery Labor Fall is here.

    In this episode, we bring you on the ground of UAW picket lines and rallies across three states – Michigan, Ohio, and New York. You’ll hear the perspectives and stories of over a dozen rank-and-file auto workers, as well as direct interviews with UAW president Shawn Fain and other union leaders. 

    Follow Teddy as he zig-zags across states to ask the workers themselves what they think about the strike. UAW auto workers explain the stakes and key demands of their fight, how it’s gotten to this point, and what the renewed militancy of their union means to them. 

    Additional links/info below…

    Hosted by Teddy Ostrow
    Edited by Teddy Ostrow and Ruby Walsh
    Produced by NYGP & Ruby Walsh, in partnership with In These Times & The Real News
    Music by Casey Gallagher
    Cover art by Devlin Claro Resetar


    Transcript

    The following is a rushed transcript and may contain errors. A proofread version will be made available as soon as possible.

    Walter Robinson Jr: You shouldn’t have to struggle when you work for one of the big three.

    Walter Robinson Jr: because $16.67. That’s not a livable wage anywhere in the United States.

    Perry Wilks Jr: Medical costs is up, outrageous food costs, housing, rent 

    Valelynn Marshall:  we’ve been losing every contract. We always got pushed back to give to the next man.

    Valelynn Marshall: Like this is history to me. It’s been long overdue. I’m confident that we will come out better this time around. 

    Valelynn Marshall: Because we showing them that we mean it.

    Teddy Ostrow: Hello my name is Teddy Ostrow. Welcome to the Upsurge, a podcast about the future of the American labor movement.

    Teddy Ostrow: This podcast covers the renewed militancy of the United Auto Workers, the legendary union that right now, for the first time in its history, is striking each of the Big Three automakers at once. That’s Ford, General Motors, and Stellantis, the owner of [00:01:00] Chrysler, Jeep and other brands. 

    Teddy Ostrow: The Upsurge is produced in partnership with In These Times and The Real News Network. Both are nonprofit media organizations that cover the labor movement closely. Check them out at inthesetimes.com and therealnews.com where you can also find an archive of all our past episodes.

    Teddy Ostrow: And a quick reminder: This is a listener-supported podcast. So please, if you want it to keep going, head on over to patreon.com/upsurgepod and become a monthly contributor today. You can find a link in the description.

    Teddy Ostrow: And as an extra incentive, the next 18 people who sign up for our Patreon will receive a free one-year subscription to In These Times magazine, one of the best outlets covering the labor movement and progressive politics today.

    Teddy Ostrow: On to the show.

     (Underlay some sound) 

    Teddy Ostrow: In this episode, we’re bringing you on the ground of the UAW Stand Up pickets lines, where, as of this [00:02:00] recording, over 18,000 Big Three auto workers across twenty states are out on strike. By the time this episode posts, however, there may thousands more on the line. Maybe even all 146,000 auto workers across the three companies.

    Teddy Ostrow: But we’re gonna begin this story on the night of September 14, when the strike clock was still ticking.

    Teddy Ostrow: I’m at UAW Local 900, uh, which is the local of the Ford Michigan Assembly Plant here in Wayne, Michigan. And we are about an hour away from the strike deadline

    Teddy Ostrow: That’s me, talking to myself in the corner of a relatively quiet UAW union hall. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Sean Fain just went on Facebook Live and announced that, uh, Michigan Assembly Plant was one of the three locations, uh, that will be struck if the companies and The UAW don’t come to a deal. 

    Teddy Ostrow: I watched as UAW members [00:03:00] emptied snacks and drinks onto tables, and stacked picket signs near the entrance of the hall. 

    Teddy Ostrow: In an hour’s time, the room would be abuzz with workers who had laid down their tools at the auto plant across the street. Thousands of others would do the same at assembly plants in Ohio and Missouri. And in a week’s time, 5,000 more workers in parts deports across the country would walk out, too. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Here in Michigan, they would soon line up in the union hall to receive their picketing assignements, and then join the crowd that had already started assembling outside the plant’s main gate.

     (Chants/audio)   

    Teddy Ostrow: After midnight, the picket lines were up. 

    Brandi White: We ain’t playing no games. I am happy. Okay, it’s my first strike, and like, as long as I’ve been here, and I’m out here.

    Robert Harrison: I’m, you know, fighting for my union. I think this is a perfect opportunity.

    Robert Harrison: It just feel good to see everybody outside to come together. You know, we [00:04:00] come as a unit.

    Darnell Foreman: We just, we just got off. So, we’re here supporting all our union brothers and sisters, you know, supporting everyone.

    Teddy : It boisterous first night in Wayne Michigan, but when I drove fifty miles south to the Jeep assembly plant in Toledo, Ohio, the next day, I got to hear about what it was like for the Stellantis workers who also walked off the job. Here’s Melanie Smith on the picket line:

    Melanie Smith: My mom, uh, works second shift in body shop, and I was at home when the strike happened, but she was at work on the phone, and they were going wild.

    Melanie Smith: So excited to finally strike for our rights.

    Teddy Ostrow: Melanie could hear the jubilant scene behind her mother’s voice.

    Melanie Smith: when it got announced on Facebook, everybody just starts screaming like we’re about to go home early, you know? It’s hype.

    Teddy Ostrow: On that first night, it was official. 13,000 UAW members had walked off the job. And it is the first time in the union’s history, that they are striking each [00:05:00] of the Big Three simultaneously. Normally the union had picked one company as a target. Once they negotiated a contract with them, it would set the pattern for the rest. Not this time.

    Teddy Ostrow: Over the course of the first week, I asked workers across picket lines why they were striking. 

    Shaun Gaddis: We’re out here to fight for our wages. We’re out here to fight for our pensions, and we’re out here to end tears.

    Anita Hill: I’m out here for everything. Equal pay, no tiers.

    Brandi White: I want to see COLA because every year it’s going up and we’re not going nowhere. I want health care when I retire.

    Teddy Ostrow: Other demands by the union include a 32-hour work week, the right to strike over plant closures, which are a dark cloud over auto workers’ job security, and the end to the companies’ abuse of temporary workers. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Ultimately, what it comes down to is that auto workers are fed up [00:06:00] with decades of backsliding, concessionary contracts. 

    Samantha parker: we’re out here because we want a fair contract and to get stuff back that we gave up when, we helped bail out the automotive industry. 

    Teddy Ostrow: You see, they don’t want to give anymore, like they did during the Great Recession to save Chrysler and GM as they went bankrupt. No, they work for companies now that made a combined 21 billion dollars in profits in just the first six months of this year. A quarter-trillion across North America in the past decade. Meanwhile, the average hourly wages of assembly line autoworkers have declined by 30% since 2003. UAW members are saying enough is enough. We’re not gonna give anymore. We’re going to take.

    Shaun Gaddis: The CEOs, they got 46 percent pay raises. The shareholders got 150. Percent pay raise, but the workers get nothing and we’re the backbone of the company. We didn’t know our plant was [00:07:00] going to strike, but… We’re here for the fight. and we’re going to stand in solidarity to get what we deserve. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Now, WHO the union is striking is not the only historic element of this fight, but also HOW they’re striking. Given the union’s bargaining failures of years past, the UAW has scrapped its old playbook and developed a new strategy, called the “Stand Up” strike. That’s a call-back of sorts to the Flint sit-downs at of 1936-37 that helped build the union.

    Teddy Ostrow: Rather than striking all company facilities at once, they are targeting specific plants at each of the Big Three, asking them to stand up and join the picket line in waves. It gives the UAW the leverage of potentially calling out more facilities should the companies not play ball. If the Big Three stonewall the union, the strike will grow over time.

    Teddy Ostrow: The purpose is to keep the companies guessing; [00:08:00] to play the Big Three off one another in negotiations, rewarding the corporations that make concessions, while inflicting more financial pain on those that remain stubborn. Some have compared it to a game of chess.

    Teddy Ostrow: While some workers I spoke were anxious to just join the strike already, most UAW members told me they were on board with the strategy. Here’s Sean Crawford, a GM worker at the Warren Tech Center with UAW Local 160.

    Sean Crawford: I think it’s a, a new, exciting and creative strategy, and I want to see it work. I think it’s… More likely to work because we’re going to be able to stretch out the strike and defense fund.

    Teddy Ostrow: That’s another advantage. The union’s $825 million dollar strike fund is no small sum, but with the stand up strategy, the union won’t risk blowing through it. Most workers can stay on the job, and if they’re laid off by the company, some will be able to draw from unemployment insurance. 

     (underlay sound) 

    Teddy Ostrow: Over [00:09:00] the week I spent in Metro Detroit, I zig-zagged across Michigian and Ohio, attending picket lines, rallies, and other actions. You can hear the honks of solidarity by passersby that were a near constant backdrop to my conversations.

    Teddy Ostrow: On that first night in Wayne, Michigan I met Walter Robinson Jr, a UAW quality rep at the Ford plant. With over three decades on the job, Walter explained that he actually wasn’t on the line for workers like himself. Rather, he was standing in solidarity for future generations.

    Teddy Ostrow: So, what are we doing out here? What are you doing and how are you

    Teddy Ostrow: feeling? 

    Walter Robinson Jr: Well, we’re out here. We’re feeling good. The thing is that we’re here to make sure that The future people that get hired in. I’ve got 34 years. It’s people out here that’s struggling, that work in this plan every day and they shouldn’t have to. You shouldn’t have to struggle when you work for one of the big three.

    Teddy Ostrow: You see, [00:10:00] Walter makes top rate at around $32 per hour. But because of concessions in previous contracts, many workers hired after him may start at under half of his wages. Sometimes under $16 per hour. And it can take them eight years to catch up.

    Walter Robinson Jr: , we need to make sure that we get more pay for our entry level people because 16. 67. That’s not a livable wage anywhere in the United States. States. So, uh, these, these people that come in here and work every day can’t even buy the product that we build in the trucks that we’re building cost between 60 and 90, 000. 

    Teddy Ostrow: I heard this a lot. That workers can’t afford to buy the cars they themselves are building. But pay is not the only thing that separates Walter from many of his coworkers.

    Teddy Ostrow: Walter also has a pension, and he has good retiree medical benefits funded by the employer. Despite doing the [00:11:00] same work as Walter, most of his coworkers do not have such privileges.

    Teddy Ostrow: We’re talking about something we’ve covered on The Upsurge before. A cancer for unions. We’re talking about tiers. GM, Ford, and Stellantis – they’re riddled with the things. And the UAW wants to end them once and for all.

    Tiffany Shipp: It’s electricity in the air!

    Tiffany Shipp: Alright, well, we  

    Teddy Ostrow: That is Tiffiny Shipp, a Ford worker. With the energy she brings, you may be surpised to hear that she is not actually on strike. Not yet at least. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Tiffiny works in the body shop of the Ford Dearborn Truck Plant. She’s been there for ten years, which means she was hired after 2007. And that means that she’s a tier two worker.

    Teddy Ostrow: Tell me about the tiers. What do you think about it? What needs to be done? 

    Tiffiny Shipp: They need to end them. 

    Tiffiny Shipp: I remember starting, and I’ll never forget my first day. This girl told me, you know what, I wouldn’t [00:12:00] be here for half pay. I said, what do you mean? I didn’t even know how much the pay was here. I thought I was getting paid what everybody else was. And she’s like, no, I get paid 30 an hour. I’m like, what?

    Tiffiny Shipp: I’m like, I almost choked. she’s like, yeah, you only get 15. 66. And just the fact that someone can stand next to you and brag about their house or their car, and you’re struggling!

    Tiffiny Shipp: That’s a, that’s a shame. That’s not right.

    Teddy Ostrow:: Tiffiny explained that the problem is not just lower starting pay, or the retirement benefits tier two workers don’t get. It’s also what tiers do to worker solidarity.

    Tiffiny Shipp: And the point is, it separates, divides. It adds animosity. You know, it just does. It creates really a hostile work environment. 

    Tiffiny Shipp: Thankfully, that animosity didn’t seem to break to bonds of solidarity on the picket lines.

    Tiffiny Shipp: Now, the thing about tiers at the Big Three is there’s a lot [00:13:00] of them, and beginning with the 2007 contract, it was just tier, after tier, after tier. 

    Tiffiny Shipp: In Toledo, I met a number of workers who are even further down the totem pole than Tifinny is.

    Devin Dominique: Devin Dominique, I am a production line operator, I’ve been a SC, which is a supplemental employee since 2018, 

    Teddy Ostrow: Devin is actually the first person I spoke to on the picket line at the Toledo Jeep plant. He’s a supplemental employee, which is just another title for part-time temporary worker, or “temp” for short. 

    Teddy Ostrow: He does regular assembly line work, but with even lower pay than tier two workers, and much worse health care benefits. This is why temps are often referred to by UAW members as tier three workers. 

    Teddy Ostrow: But the biggest problem for temps, especially at Stellantis, is they’re not all that temporary.

    Devin Dominique: so I believe that’s a little bit of some BS.

    Devin Dominique: [00:14:00] Out here being part time, not by choice, for five to six years. 

    Teddy Ostrow: You heard that right. Devin’s been a temp for nearly six years. This is personal for him. His grandparents worked and retired at the same Jeep plant. He wants the same thing. He wants to be made permanent. But there really isn’t a clear pathway in the contract for that to happen.

    Devin Dominique: I believe that every SE feels the same way as me. I think they all want to be hired in. Um, I think that it’s a reasonable thing. I don’t think it’s too much to ask. Uh, I don’t think too many people want to be part time for five, six years, you know, and then with no opportunity or no, uh, No assurance that we’ll even get hired in, so I don’t think this strikes, uh, for nothing.

    Devin Dominique: Do you work part time hours? Like, do you No, I work 60 60 hours a week.

    Devin Dominique: You know, some weeks they might call a day off or something like that, but I work 6 days a week, if I can.

    Devin Dominique: The union is calling for the Big Three to hire [00:15:00] temps after 90-days of work. Temps like Devin are among the most precarious workers in the Big Three workforce. Which means striking can be especially difficult as they subsist on just $500 weekly strike pay. So I asked Devin

    Devin Dominique: how did you feel when you heard, uh, you guys were going on strike? Uh, my. My girlfriend actually started crying because she’s worried about our bills being paid. But I told her that this is actually the first kind of sign of relief that I’ve had in this company in a long time.

    Devin Dominique: Because I know that this is actually one of the only ways that we’ll probably get somewhat of what we want or need.

    Devin Dominique: Devin’s point really stuck with me. And he wasn’t the only one to make it. The truth is, striking isn’t easy. It can be tough financially, emotionally draining. But every single worker I spoke to said that they believe this is the only way they’ll get what they deserve. That by standing in solidarity with their coworkers, [00:16:00] they can endure, and they can win. 

    Devin Dominique: Tiers are central to this year’s contract fight, but also workers across the board were talking about issues that cut across classifications. Here’s Perry Wilks Jr. from the Ford Dearborn Truck Plant.

    Perry Wilks Jr: , Everything is skyrocketing and we need wages that’s going to benefit our lifestyle, our lives, spirit.

    Perry Wilks Jr: Medical costs is up, outrageous food costs, housing, rent, 

    Perry Wilks Jr: One of the solutions, according to Perry and others I spoke to across Michigan and Ohio, is COLA, or cost-of-living adjustments. Those were the inflation-tacked raises that auto workers have received since the Treaty of Detroit in 1950. During the bailouts, the union gave them up to help save GM and Chrysler. Now, the workers want them back.

    Perry Wilks Jr: But there was another thing workers talked about on the picket line, that was a little more… visible.

    Teddy Ostrow: I can’t help but notice You have [00:17:00] two risk guards.

    Teddy Ostrow: Is that from 

    Perry Wilks Jr: working? Yes, it is. Some of these jobs are overloaded, they do not want to listen to the workers when they’re actually out here doing the physical work. they are…

    Perry Wilks Jr: Creating issues, medical issues, uh, like myself, which I have two, uh, carpal tunnel issues now that just happened this week in this plan on a job that’s overloaded. 

    Perry Wilks Jr: By overloaded, Perry means that it’s basically impossible to perform the tasks that are asked of him in the time alloted. Without hurting yourself at least. Auto workers are notoriously expected to perform fast, reptitive motions on the assembly line. Think of Charlie Chaplin in “Modern Times” – management speeds up the line so fast Chaplin has to hoist himself onto the belts just to keep up.

    Perry Wilks Jr: Here’s Melanie Smith and Johnny Reese at Jeep.

    Melanie: We just, yeah. Over 200 cars per shift. That’s just us. And then you think about next door, they’re building what, like 500? [00:18:00] Yeah. Next door, building like 500 cars a day, 10 hour days. Have you gotten injured? Have you like suffered from anything? I mean, back problems. Yeah. And like your hands will be stiff and things.

    Melanie: Body hurt. You work in 10 days on Sunday. All you want to do is relax. Your body beat up. 

    Teddy Ostrow: For some workers, like Samantha Parker, who has worked ten years on the assembly line at Stellantis, it’s a bit worse than just back problems or stiffness.

    Samantha parker: I have bilateral carpal tunnel.

    Samantha parker: I just had a surgery on one hand and I have to have surgery on my other hand. it hurts to hold my child, my two year old. Like it shouldn’t hurt my body to hold my two year old because I’m sacrificing so much of my body and my life for this place 

    Samantha parker: And you don’t get a pension, right? Nope. Retiree medical benefits? Nope, nothing like that. I mean, how does it feel to like, basically do a really tough job, you get, you have to have surgery for it, and then, when you, you know, when you retire, you don’t get these things. It’s petrifying, because if my body’s already wearing down now, what’s it gonna be [00:19:00] like when, after I’ve been here for 20, 30 years, and I don’t have anything to help.

    Samantha parker: Keep my body going so I can hold my grandkids and then my great grandkids, God willing.

    Teddy Ostrow: This is why one of the union’s demands is a 32 hour work week. More time off means workers can rest their bodies, and also, spend more time with their families. UAW members want to work to live, not live to work.

    Teddy Ostrow: On top of all of this, these auto jobs that the UAW is fighting so hard to improve, are more and more feeling like a gamble. Just a few feet from Samantha in Toledo, I spoke with Krystal Maggio.

    Krystal maggio: Yeah, I’ve been pushed around from plant closures. I’m originally from Belvedere local 1268, and I came to Toledo Jeep a year and a half ago. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Belivedere, as in Belivedere, Illinois. You may have heard that name before. And that’s because it [00:20:00] is one of the 65 communities decimated by a Big Three plant closure over the past 20 years. Last year, Stellantis decided to shutter the Jeep plant in Belivdere where Krystal worked, laying off 1,300 workers. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Krystal was actually a part of an earlier round of layoffs there, but in order to keep her job, her wages, her benefits, she was forced to transfer to Toledo — 300 miles from her entire family. 

    Krystal maggio: . I don’t want to have to transfer again, but they say they wanted to close 18 more plans. That’s kind of scary. Are you afraid it’s going to happen again? I mean, yeah, you never really know what could happen. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Over the years, thousands of auto workers like Krystal have had to part with their communities or risk financial ruin, as the economy surrounding the plants dries up. Some workers have had to move 5, 6, 7 times. As Krystal noted, in negotiations [00:21:00] with the UAW Stellantis is threatening to close 18 more plants around the country.

    Teddy Ostrow: The union wants the right to strike the company over such plant closures, and for the Big Three to set up programs to support workers left behind in the communities where they close up shop.

    Teddy Ostrow: Now, it’s important to understand that there’s an international angle to this. Stellantis moved Belvidere’s production to Mexico, where they can pay workers as low $2.50 per hour. This is a decades-long trend: Automakers moving production to places where they can exploit workers more, and fatten their profits. That also includes moving production to US states in the south, where union density is lower and the laws are more hostile to workers. 

    Teddy Ostrow: That brings us to one of the most important aspects of the auto workers’ fight.

    Shawn Fain: what are the stakes of this fight for the auto industry, the EV transition, and the broader working class?

    Shawn Fain: Well, [00:22:00] the shameful part of the EV transition is our tax dollars are financing it, and the companies are taking all the money like always, and not even taking labor in the equation. Like always, corporations and billionaires get all the money, and working class people are left behind. It’s gotta stop.

    Teddy Ostrow: That was Shawn Fain, the UAW president, on the the first night of the strike at the Michigan Assembly. 

    Teddy Ostrow: What he’s explaining to me is that the emergent electric vehicle and battery industries, despite receiving hundreds of billions of dollars in federal loans, grants, and tax incentives, are trying to move full-steam ahead without union labor.

    Teddy Ostrow: Indeed, most of the current or proposed EV plants in the United States are in the south, and will be run without UAW representation. So, part of why the right to strike over plant closures is so important, is because it it’s [00:23:00] one lever for union to prevent the Big Three from moving their plants to where the EV transition would erode union standards.

    Teddy Ostrow: And more broadly, if the UAW wins a good contract out of this strike, it will position them to actually unionize this emergent, mostly non-union industry.

    Teddy Ostrow: This willingness to take on corporate power… it’s something we haven’t seen from the UAW in a long time. I asked workers what they thought of this marked shift in their union.

    Perry Wilks Jr: it’s been a long overdue. I take my hat off to, uh, new president Sean Payne. 

    David Carey Mack: I love the way the direction the, uh, unions going in. That’s my guy. I love Sean Fane. Everything that I want. Seeing him wrapped up in a box.

    Valeynn Marshall: we needed a voice. The other ones was no good for us. that’s why we’re here right now. He really did it. He made it happen. And I’m happy about it. 

    Valelynn Marshall: Like this is history to me

    Teddy Ostrow: Since the 1980s the UAW approach to unionism was one of so-called labor-management [00:24:00] partnership. The union and employers working together to flourish in a competitive market. 

    Teddy Ostrow: But the reality of what that’s looked like for workers is concession after concession after concession. And eventually outright corruption.

    Teddy Ostrow: But the new union leadership, led by Shawn Fain, an electrician at Chrysler from Kokomo, Indiana, is flipping the script.

    Shawn Fain: You guys are ready to rumble now, aren’t you? We’re in it, baby. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Fain doesn’t shy away from confrontation. And he always keeps his eyes and words on what’s important for the workers.

    Reporter: You’ve got competitors for these big three automakers, uh, paying a lot less in some cases for labor than these companies. How can you expect… to actually get everything you’re asking. 

    Shawn Fain: Shame on those competitors. Number one. All this is the companies are trying to drive a race to the bottom, and we’re better than that.

    Shawn Fain: America’s better than that. 

    Teddy Ostrow: And if you haven’t noticed, Fain speaking in terms we mostly don’t hear from modern labor leaders. He’s talking about a [00:25:00] class struggle.

    Shawn Fain: You know, we’ve been accused of causing a class war. Class war has been going on for 40 years in this country. The billionaire class has been taking everything, and the working class has been left scraping, paycheck to paycheck, just trying to survive. It’s time to put an end to that class war.

    Shawn Fain: And it’s time to pick a side. Either you’re with the billionaire class, or you’re with the working class.

    Teddy Ostrow: Now, while the mainstream media have focused mostly on Fain, who shocked the nation when he won the UAW presidency earlier this year, the real story sits squarely with the workers themselves.

    Eric Truss: So what’s different about this time is, the member had a chance to get engaged in what’s called, one member, one vote, where they were able to do a direct election of their own president and, executive [00:26:00] board staff.

    Teddy Ostrow: That’s Eric Truss, a Ford worker at the Dearborn Truck Plant and the financial secretary of Unite All Workers for Democracy, or UAWD, a rank-and-file reform caucus within the union.

    Teddy Ostrow: Eric is explaining that prior to last year, rank and file workers couldn’t actually vote in an election for the union’s top officers. It was done through an undemocratic delegate system. But UAWD organized hard to introduce a one member, one vote system within the union. They then ran a slate of candidates, including Fain, a member of UAWD, all of whom won their seats. 

    Eric Truss: this case the members had a chance to do that and they took advantage of it And because they did and they got to experience sean being in office They got to see a new approach towards how we negotiate and this has brought more fire to the membership that they’ve never seen 

    Teddy Ostrow: The member-elected leadership appears to now be working actually on behalf of the members. [00:27:00] And they’re being transparent about what’s going on in bargaining.

    Eric Truss: It seems like under the old Uh regime i’ll call it that they’ve never been involved with the with the membership as much as sean sean’s on facebook He even talked to the members on facebook and addressed their questions Um, whereas the other caucus or the other administration, they would never tell what’s on the table.

    Eric Truss: Um, and they would just bring those contracts and say, this is the best we can do. Whereas Sean says, this is where we’re at. Um, you know, here, we’re on Facebook Live. What do you think about this?

    Teddy Ostrow: The result has been a member shipmore activated than many workers have ever seen before. Auto workers around the country participated in a first-ever contract campaign at the Big Three leading up to the strike deadline, organizing rallies, practice pickets, and other actions. With and without their local leadership’s support.

    Teddy Ostrow: Even the workers who aren’t technically on strike yet, are standing up and doing [00:28:00] what they can to keep the pressure on the Big Three. This includes not working voluntary overtime, as well as solidarity actions, such as member-led caravans circling the striking plants.

    Teddy Ostrow: In Toldeo, I stood with the strikers and watched as dozens of Jeeps, Chryslers and GM vehicles arrived in a convoy.

    Beth Walls: Support from GM, their local 14 was out here. Just hyping up everybody and showing their support. It was awesome. We’re all one big family. We’ll do what we have to do for one another and support them

    Teddy Ostrow: In downtown Detroit, on the first day of the strike, I drove to a UAW rally with Senator Bernie Sanders, Representative Rashida Tlaib, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and other politicians. The event was a sea of red-shirted UAW members, chanting, dancing, and making their worker power known. Here’s Sean Crawford again of Local 160.

    Sean Crawford: I feel inspired, feel hopeful. I think the whole event seemed poetic. You know, it’s a beautiful day here in Detroit. You know, the sky is [00:29:00] blue. You got the people mover track here. Um, I, there’s a ton of folks out. More people than I’ve ever seen at a rally here before.

    Teddy Ostrow: After the rally’s speeches, the crowd marched on Jefferson avenue. As we made our way to the GM headquarters at the Renaissance Center. I ran into Ryder Littlejohn, a skilled trades Ford worker at the Stamping Plant In Buffalo, New York. We’d spoken previously to by phone. I asked him

    Teddy Ostrow: Have you ever seen unity like this in your union? 

    Ryder Littlejohn: Not in a long, long time. This is what the UAW has always been about. We’ve always been a progressive, organized union fighting for the working class. And it’s good to see it come back

    Teddy Ostrow: Off the recording, as we crowded onto the steps of the GM HQ, workers chants’ grew louder. Ryder turned to me, shook his head in disbelief, and said, “Solidarity. Isn’t it beautiful?”

     (Audio of chants) 

    Teddy Ostrow: When I got home to Brooklyn a week into the strike, I have [00:30:00] to admit I was little sad to leave the picket line. The energy was infectious. The solidarity, beautiful, as Ryder put it.

    Teddy Ostrow: But only a few days later, on September 22, I got my chance to join the strike again.

     (Car engine noise) 

    Teddy Ostrow: All right, so here’s the deal. 38 PDC, that’s Parts Distribution Centers, uh, just went up across the nation from GM and Stellantis. It was just announced at 10 a. m. The UAW, Sean Fain, through Facebook live stream said, look, uh, forward. We’re making progress there. We’re not going to strike any more plants, but GM and Stellantis, they’re not getting with the program.

    Teddy Ostrow: So now I’m heading to the location at Tappan, New York, PDC. Um, and yeah, we’re going to go find out what’s going on on the strike line in the second round of the UAW standup strikes.

     (car noise) 

    Teddy Ostrow: I pulled up to the picket line at 1pm, an hour [00:31:00] after roughly 80 workers walked off the job. As I said, Tappan wasn’t the only plant called to “stand up” on September 22. 5,000 other workers across the country – in California, Wisconsin, Georgia, and so on – also hit the picket line.

    Teddy Ostrow: Tappan, where we stood, is in the New York metro area, so as you may expect, cost of living is incredibly high. It was no wonder that wage increases were at the top of the strikers’ demands.

    Teddy Ostrow: I spoke to Celeste Miller, shop chair of UAW Local 3039, and Jeffrey Purcell, the local’s president, who still drives the forklift at the plant. 

    Celeste Miller: Uh, when I started 30 years ago… Um, they’re going, I started at 15. 74, now when you start, you start at 15. 78, that’s 30 years later, that’s ridiculous.

    Jeffrey Purcell: I’m a single father of three, so my family is on a line with this as well. Uh, we. Majority of people who work here [00:32:00] commute about a 45 minutes to an hour from here.

    Jeffrey Purcell: I personally live in Pennsylvania. 

    Jeffrey Purcell: I drive an hour and a half to work every day, every day, a hundred miles each way, a hundred miles, a hundred miles back home every day. For, you know, to basically have a life, I wanna have a house for my kids, I wanna live a good life that was sudden you used to be able to work here and afford.

    Jeffrey Purcell: But now with the way that the wages has been going, the economy gets more and more expensive. Inflation is through the roof, and our raises are reflecting that

    Teddy Ostrow: Workers like Jeffrey and Celeste deal with a lot of the same issues as other auto workers, but some of them also have been pushed into yet another tier of their own. Their plant, like the 37 others called out on September 22, is a parts distribution center. Their job is supply parts and accessories to car dealerships. According to GM and Stellantis, that means they deserve an inferior wage scale than assembly workers. 

    Teddy Ostrow: It was an interesting choice by the union to ask specifically these plants to stand up, and [00:33:00] to spare Ford of any more walk outs.

    Dan Vicente: We didn’t walk out on any Ford facilities today because Ford actually put forward a proposal.

    Dan Vicente: Uh, yesterday, It was the first offer that we felt wasn’t a straight up insult. 

    Teddy Ostrow: That’s Dan Vicente. You may remember his voice from a previous Upsurge episode. He’s the director of UAW Region 9. A UAWD member, he was elected by members earlier this year on the reform slate. He’s on the executive board, so he actually has a say in the strike strategy.

    Dan Vicente: And we were like, look, exact, that’s what we’re talking about. We want to bargain. We want to get real. So if you start getting real, we’re not looking to shut down the whole country’s, uh, auto industry, the big three.

    Dan Vicente: But if you want to keep paying us poverty wages, well, it is what it is.

    Teddy Ostrow: Dan’s referencing the fact in bargaining, Ford actually conceded to a lot of what the UAW is demanding. They agreed to abolish one of their wage tiers, to reinstate COLA, to give workers [00:34:00] the right to strike over plant closures, and to hire all current temps within 90 days. 

    Teddy Ostrow: The union hasn’t declared victory yet. There’s still more work to do. But admittedly, those concessions are pretty remarkable just a week in. GM and Stellantis, on the other hand, didn’t budge on most of the major issues, so the union expanded strikes solely against them.

    Dan Vicente: of the like packages of proposals put forward to the board of how this could go down to me. I was advocating for we shut everything down and we chain ourselves to machines. So I’m glad that we have, exactly.

    Dan Vicente: And I’m glad we work through these things and we discuss this to me makes the most reasonable sense. 

    Dan Vicente: we have the most leverage right before a strike because, and that’s why the companies come in the 11th hour and want to get something done because they don’t know, is this really going to happen?

    Dan Vicente: Is it not right now? We’re keeping them off balance. 

    Dan Vicente: we could have taken out the engine and transmission plants right away and shut down everything, choked everything. We didn’t do that. We took down [00:35:00] assembly operations, final assembly plants or stamping plant to send a message like.

    Dan Vicente: We’re going to come after your bottom line, like that’s what this is, but we don’t want to go all out on strike. We want fair and equitable contracts. Our people are workers. We want to be at work. It’s just we don’t want to have to struggle all the goddamn time for every single cent. 

    Teddy Ostrow: The strategy, in other words, was to leverage the union’s threat of a strike, while keeping workers ready and excited to potentially join in. Now, with the parts depots out on strike, workers can be joined by supporters on their pickets across the nation. The strike has been brought to all of our backyards. And on September 26, the UAW even pressured President Joe Biden to join the picket line in Michigan. This was the first time in history that a sitting US president joined a strike line.

    Teddy Ostrow: It’s too early to tell, but so far, it does appear, that the union’s strategy [00:36:00] is working.

    Dan Vicente: You’re making more than you’ve ever made. We want to be part of this EV transition too, but we’re not going to just let you put us in a battery plant, pay us 16 and make us get on government assistance. It ain’t going to happen. So this is going to have to be a just and equitable transition to EVs. And I applaud Ford for putting forward something today that we can actually start working with.

    Dan Vicente: I think that shows real good faith and us not shutting down more facilities and Ford shows that we’re both acting in good faith here and want to get something done. 

    Teddy Ostrow: Now it’s time for GM and Stellantis to step up to the plate. 

    Dan Vicente: Uh, GM Stellantis, you want to keep playing this game? We’ll shut the whole thing down. But I mean, we’re not afraid to do it. We don’t want to do it, but if you want to get in a street fight with street people, that’s a dumb thing to do.

    Dan Vicente: If you’re from wall street

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  • The rig operator was stumped. He’d been making good progress, but now something blocked the way forward. The operator, Denny Mong, stared at an unassuming metal tube in the ground — the fossil of an oil well. Spread around it was an array of industrial detritus and steel tools like giant surgical implements, which sunk into the spongy Western Pennsylvania meadow.

    Above the hole, Mong’s rig, which towered 50 feet into the air, suspended a vertical ramrod. When it dropped, the ramrod only shot 17 feet into the ground before slamming to a stop. Earlier, Mong had managed to reach more than 500 feet deeper into the well. Then this obstruction, whatever it was, sent him back to the start.

    Clearing it — prime suspects included metal casing, rocks, or a tree branch — would allow him to send cement and pea gravel into the hole, which reached hundreds of feet into Appalachian rock formations. Once an active oil well, now it was an environmental nuisance and the target of an ambitious federal cleanup program.

    After opening an old well cap, Plants & Goodwin worker Denny Mong finds a slurry of gas that has migrated to the surface. Video courtesy of Denny Mong

    The well needed to be decommissioned, along with at least 21 more spread across woodlands and fields in McKean County, Pennsylvania. The job fell to Mong and other employees of an oil service outfit called Plants & Goodwin, which specializes in plugging so-called orphan wells. Oil and gas companies are supposed to plug and clean up wells that they’ve drilled, but if they go bankrupt or otherwise disappear, that responsibility falls to the state, which then contracts with companies like Plants & Goodwin. If left festering, these wells can leak contaminants into surrounding groundwater or release methane, a greenhouse gas at least 25 times more powerful than carbon dioxide at trapping heat in the atmosphere.

    Uncorking a well in this part of Appalachia reveals a blend of oil and gas that has a nauseous maté color and gurgles like witch’s brew. After generations of drilling, the remnants of both vernacular backyard digs and professional oil operations pockmark the land. Since drillers operated for more than a century with little regulatory oversight, documentation of well locations is scarce and cleanup quality is inconsistent. 

    “Until the 1970s there were no strong plugging standards in place,” said Luke Plants, who heads Plants & Goodwin. “People just shoving tree stumps down a well to plug it, or a cast iron ball or something like that.”

    The exact number of orphan wells nationwide is unknown. In late 2021, The Interstate Oil and Gas Commission, a multi-state organization, had more than 130,000 orphan wells on record but estimated that anywhere between 310,000 and 800,000 remained unidentified. That year the federal government took notice, folding $4.7 billion into the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act to help states handle their orphan well inventories. The first batch of that money has trickled down to states and has been distributed to contractors like Plants & Goodwin. It’s easily the most funding ever spent to address the problem, but both states and pluggers are now facing hurdles as they begin to identify and plug wells. 

    The state oil and gas regulators responsible for issuing well-plugging contracts are typically understaffed. As a result, the pace of contract assignment in some states has been inconsistent, making it difficult for plugging companies to staff up and plan ahead. Well pluggers are also few and far between. Since oil operators tend to avoid the costly work of well capping, the service has remained a niche industry. Plugging companies have also struggled to find trained workers, not to mention the specialized equipment required to plug wells. Along the way, some states have handed out millions of dollars in contracts to a subsidiary of an oil company with hundreds of compliance violations.

    All the while, the oil and gas industry continues to spawn new orphan wells — magnitudes more than the number being plugged. Between 2015 and 2022, more than 600 oil and gas companies filed for bankruptcy, leaving thousands of wells unplugged. Market downturns affecting oil prices during the mid-2010s pushed many operations to insolvency. And even in times of industry booms, wells near the end of their production lifespans often end up in the hands of small oil patch operators with tight margins. Further, state laws requiring companies to post collateral for their wells in case of bankruptcy are meager. This combination of weak rules and bankruptcies has caused orphan well inventories to balloon. For example, Pennsylvania’s list of 20,000 orphan wells grows by about 400 each year; the state has plugged just 73 wells with the federal money that began to arrive last year.

    In the muddy pasture in northwest Pennsylvania, Mong was trying to unclog his way to the well’s bottom. Using a rig attachment called a cherry picker — imagine a four-foot steel clothespin — he worked to spear unknown detritus from the depths. Next to the hole lay 30-foot-long clay-frosted tubes of steel casing already hauled out. After reducing the borehole to a hollow dirt cavern, the pluggers will pour cement until it nearly fills to the surface and top the rest of the way with gravel, insulated by steel casing to protect groundwater. They will then decapitate the casing to a few feet below ground and cover it with dirt. 

    For the pluggers, the work is a bespoke combination: a little science and a lot of art. Sharp intuition, engineering know-how, grit, and luck imbue each effort. One capping can take anywhere from three days to three months, sometimes costing more than $100,000.

    a man stands to the side of large pipes and industrial equipment in a forest
    Clifton Lunn is part of the team that, along with Denny Mong, must muscle through the orphaned well blockage. Will Peischel / Grist

    A lot needs to happen to orphan wells before they’re plugged — at least on paper. The state has to identify them, the threat they pose, the costs to plug them, and search for any elusive owner to pin the costs on. And while that’s a process states have handled for many years, most state plugging programs have relatively small budgets and staff compared to the well inventories. Now, federal funding is compelling those programs to exponentially increase the number of well-capping contracts, an impossible task without bigger staffs and nimbler processes. 

    In a normal year, the California Geologic Energy Management Division (CalGEM), which regulates oil and gas production in the state, might contract plugging for 30 wells. According to former CalGEM employees, decommissioning even that number of wells had the agency running on all cylinders. 

    “Available staffing for oversight was definitely a major limiting factor,” said Dan Dudak, who was the Southern District Deputy of CalGEM from 2011 to 2020, and now acts as a consultant on well-plugging projects. In just the last five years, the department “lost a lot of their institutional knowledge” in three different leadership changes, he said. Nonetheless, CalGEM revealed an $80 million project last July to cap 378 wells with funding from state and federal money along with industry fees.

    Other states also have catching up to do. One 2022 Ohio state audit observed that its Department of Natural Resources struggles to meet orphan well program spending targets, in part due to staffing shortages. “[T]he Division can only increase efforts dedicated to well plugging preparation work as fast as it can recruit, train, and hire permanent employees,” the audit claimed, recommending that the agency double its staff to post plugging contracts in a more timely fashion and consider outsourcing the task of drafting contracts.  

    Pennsylvania has 70 well inspectors and a tally of around 20,000 orphan wells. According to Neil Shader, spokesperson for the state Department of Environmental Protection, or DEP, the agency is considering hiring more inspectors to increase its oversight. Earlier this year, the state legislature approved a $5.75 million budget increase for DEP, some of which may boost its well plugging contract capacity.

    Still, the pace of contract creation in Pennsylvania has put pluggers in a precarious place. Plants said that when Pennsylvania received $25 million in its first batch of federal funding, he staffed up. A torrent of contracts were awarded but then stopped — leading from feast to famine. A six-month gap meant furloughs and mothballing equipment. “It costs contractors a tremendous amount of money to do all that,” he said. “You end up creating an incentive to not scale at all, just stay small.”

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    Plants & Goodwin, which is headquartered in Bradford, Pennsylvania, has operated as an oil service company since 1970, but it pivoted to specialize in well-plugging operations in 2015. Will Peischel / Grist

    To expedite aspects of the contract-drafting process, DEP has signaled that it may outsource some of that work. Meanwhile, Ohio is putting some of its federal money into an expedited process called the Landowner Passover Program, where approved landowners who find orphan wells on their land may act as a surrogate for the state, awarding a contract to a plugger that Ohio will pay for. 

    Ohio has 44 contractors on its rolls and utilizes a pre-approval process for its pluggers to maintain quality control. Pennsylvania’s DEP is considering adopting its own vetting process, according to Shader, the agency spokesperson. Without it, there is no central parapet to separate under-qualified contractors from federally funded plugging. “There are not enough defined rules in place,” said Plants. “And even the rules that are there don’t get followed so well all the time.” 

    Not much stands in the way of a corner-cutting contractor. In remote pockets of Appalachia, improperly dumping chemical fluids from a site or shoddy plug job could go unnoticed. “I think it’s even less likely to get checked now,” Plants said. “Because nobody wants to limit the pool of potential well pluggers. We need to get more pluggers involved — whether that plugging is being done correctly or not.”

    Last year, Pennsylvania Deputy Secretary Kurt Klapkowski of the DEP’s Office of Oil and Gas Management addressed that anxiety by announcing that parties with significant outstanding violations, such as contractors with a poor service record or operators with environmental infractions, wouldn’t receive state contracts. “I feel pretty confident that we would not be issuing contracts to operators that had significant outstanding violations — either on the contracting side of things or on the environmental protection side,” he said.

    For a plugger, non-compliance could mean illegal dumping or improperly sealing a well; for an operator, it might mean abandoning a well without plugging it. But such policies can be difficult to implement when oil and gas companies sometimes operate through a bevy of subsidiaries in multiple states. 

    In December of last year, the Pennsylvania DEP awarded Next LVL Energy contracts to plug 30 wells in the state. The company is a subsidiary of Diversified Energy, an energy giant that has amassed a massive number of wells at the end of their lives, stoking fears that the company is likely to orphan them. According to one class action lawsuit against Diversified in West Virginia, around 10 percent of its 23,309 wells in the state are technically abandoned but unplugged. Just this year Pennsylvania inspectors slapped the operator with around 300 new or unresolved operational violations. (The state DEP didn’t respond to a request for comment on Next LVL’s contracts.)

    Ohio has also given half of its first installment of federal money, $12.5 million, to Next LVL Energy to oversee the plugging of as many as 320 wells. To the southeast, West Virginia has given the company a similar sum to plug 100 wells. Spokespeople for both state environmental agencies defended their decisions, noting that they followed state and federal guidelines while selecting pluggers. “We will keep a close eye on implementation,” said Andy Chow, a spokesperson for the Ohio Department of Natural Resources. “Should any violations in this contract be discovered or otherwise come to our attention we will review those actions.”

    In West Virginia, Next LVL isn’t plugging any wells associated with Diversified, according to Terry Fletcher, chief communications officer with the state’s Department of Environmental Protection. “At the time the contracts were awarded, Next LVL had no outstanding environmental violations in the state,” he added.


    Finding qualified workers for the oil field is no easy feat, either. The last decade has seen drops in oil prices that rendered many fossil fuel companies insolvent, along with a shift to shale exploration, which requires fewer workers. As a result, job openings have dwindled and many qualified workers have left Appalachia.

    Plugging wells also requires skilled labor. Thus, the limited number of qualified workers is in high demand. That’s good for wages, but without a large workforce to fill positions as states push out contracts with increasing frequency, another problem arises: “You just get this arms race for the same small pool of workers,” said Plants. “That’s not actually helpful for scaling or expanding the supply side of this business.” 

    Troy Hadfield (left) uses a forklift to convert the area of a finished orphan well project from a muddy worksite to a walking trail. Will Peischel / Grist

    Plants has brought inexperienced pluggers from Texas oil fields to help train up a new generation of skilled Pennsylvania hands. “We want to develop a local workforce that understands this work,” he said. But “you can’t just put whole crews of inexperienced people out there.”

    There’s a lot of on-the-job training, but that extra work advances his vision. Some of his most recent hires came from area high schools and technical schools, where he has made a pitch: “We want to give you a long-term career.” 

    Bronson Knapp, who owns Hagen Well Services in Ohio, has faced similar challenges. “The good old farm boy is hard to find,” he said. A worker shortage is one of the reasons Ohio is behind on well pluggings. The state has awarded new contracts even as work from previous contracts hasn’t been completed. “We awarded 380 wells this year, but our contractors are still 400 wells behind us,” said Jason Simmerman, the orphan well program engineer with the state’s Department of Natural Resources.

    Rigs used to plug wells can be hard to come by, too. Drilling technology may advance, but orphan well-plugging is frozen in time. The tech required is often vintage, which means pluggers are on the prowl for a shrinking number of rigs that may be older than the wells they plug. It’s not unusual for a plugger in New York to look as far as Texas for a used rig. Mong’s rig was from the 1950s. Another rig at a nearby work site was manufactured in 1981 and welded to the bed of a Vietnam War-era military truck.

    a man in a hardhat stands near well plugging equipment in a forest
    Cory Copp stands behind the team’s 1981 well plugging rig, attached to the back of a Vietnam War-era truck. Will Peischel / Grist

    On the whole, a few recent high school graduates on Plants’ payroll might not seem like bellwethers of a next-generation workforce. But some experts watching the federal orphan well program contend that a well-plugging wave could revive regions whose economic fates are tied to dwindling resource extraction sectors. “The most positive thing that could happen is that we begin to get more companies plugging wells, especially in rural, distressed areas to help their local economies,” said Ted Boettner, a senior researcher at the Ohio River Valley Institute, a think tank focused on economic and environmental sustainability in Appalachia.

    “Oil and gas industries have lost thousands of jobs over the last decade,” he told Grist. “This is helping people who lose their jobs” and providing “a way for people to transition into cleaning up this mess of the last 150 years.”

    The federal program includes requirements and guidance to help ensure that the work on the ground benefits workers. In order to qualify for funding, states must ensure that plugging contracts meet standards outlined by the Davis-Bacon Act, a federal law that guarantees government-funded labor matches average pay rates for similar work in a region, known as the prevailing wage.

    Failure to follow the federal government’s requirement risks its scrutiny. For example, last year the GOP-led Pennsylvania legislature passed a law dictating how much a contractor might receive to plug a well as part of Pennsylvania’s orphan well program. The amounts allocated were a fraction of typical costs, likely leaving contractors unable to pay their workers the prevailing wage. With federal money tied up in the program, the Department of Interior filed a brisk response warning that the law could threaten Pennsylvania’s ability to comply with program standards and that the state could be cut off from federal funding.

    In Ohio, Davis-Bacon requirements appear to have an effect on well-capping work not funded by the federal program. Though the Buckeye State doesn’t have any wage requirement for general well-plugging work, cappers who have taken contracts appear to be paying higher wages — whether or not the job is federally funded. “Because nobody wants to make one wage one day and another the next day, our contractors that are working on our federal program are taking that perspective and paying those wages across the board now,” said Simmerman, Ohio’s orphan well program engineer.

    A large red container for holding water pulled from abandoned oil wells
    After tubing and other detritus are pulled from orphan wells, workers flush out lingering oil and gas with water pulled from giant containers like this one. Will Peischel / Grist

    Out west, California is working to nurture a workforce at a much larger scale. Last year, the state legislature passed a law directing the California Workforce Development Board, or CWDB, to launch apprenticeship programs to train new classes of well pluggers. It could become a model for skilled labor creation. Its first pilot program is using the expertise of a Kern County well-capping company, California Legacy Well Services, which is creating a plugging curriculum to fold into existing training provided by Local 12, the International Union of Operating Engineers. As a result, union-affiliated labor will represent part of the well-plugging workforce. 

    The thinking is two-pronged: access to quality jobs and layoff mitigation. That means offering good work to skilled laborers vulnerable to the energy transition. “So rather than just worry about the loss of jobs, it’s an opportunity to think about the new jobs for trades workers,” said Tim Rainey, executive director of CWDB. The program is in the early stages, but it offers a glimmer of what an effective orphan well program could yield.

    Organized labor in California’s oil fields is of two types: industrial unions and trades unions. Members of industrial unions cultivate skills on a worksite, while trades unions learn the ropes through training apprenticeships like the ones CWDB is developing. 

    A quirk in California law may lock out the industrial unions. The law requires “a skilled and trained workforce” for capping jobs, an innocuous-sounding phrase that refers to highly technical requirements in the state labor code that disqualify oil workers from industrial unions such as the United Steelworkers, or USW.

    Norman Rogers, a spokesperson and member of USW Local 675 in Southern California, called the legislative sleight of hand “a control job.” Trades unions “have a larger workforce and are able to influence the political landscape,” he said. “They can have all sorts of people go to lobby.”

    By expanding the language to characterize eligible workers as “skilled and trained or covered by a labor management agreement,” the law could tap into tens of thousands of union workers represented by USW, Rogers said.

    The question of who dominates the green jobs of tomorrow remains an open one. Despite the many bottlenecks, the orphan well program could be an attractive coda to the fossil fuel era if it benefits workers. 

    “We drilled the first oil well in America,” said James Kunz, an administrator at the Pennsylvania Foundation for Fair Contracting, who has worked to ensure favorable wages in state capping contracts. “We have the scars of that and a real opportunity.”

    This story was originally published by Grist with the headline Inside the rough-and-tumble race to clean up America’s abandoned oil wells on Sep 28, 2023.

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